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09/23/2008 04:28 AM ID: 73543 Permalink   

New Poll: One-Third of White Democrats are Racist


A New poll conducted with Stanford University show that racial views could make Obama lose the White House if the election stays close. More than one-third of white Democrats say blacks are lazy, violent, and responsible for their own troubles.

The poll also states that two and one half of a percentage point could be the number of voters that move away from Obama due to his race; that's larger than the difference between the candidates at the end of the election in 2004.

Over a quarter of Democrats doubt that Obama can bring the change they want and are voting for McCain due to this reason, while three in ten Democrats do not trust Obama's change-making ideas and credentials and are also voting for McCain.

    WebReporter: cray0la Show Calling Card      
ASSESS this news: BLOCK this news. Reason:
  also like to add  
Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

now i would like to say its never been the republicans bringing up his race, its always been the media and the democrats making it a issue of race.
  by: cray0la     09/23/2008 04:32 AM     
damn i forgot the main part

it should be
New Poll: One-Third of White Democrats Racist.
  by: cray0la     09/23/2008 04:51 AM     
good article. I'm sure that the media is hoping that race will be brought up, because then they can sensationalise it and sell some more copy.
  by: jendres     09/23/2008 05:10 AM     
"now i would like to say its never been the republicans bringing up his race, its always been the media and the democrats making it a issue of race."

Yeah, you go ahead and parrot that idea, maybe you'll actually be able to back it up someday. Pity this study does no such thing for you. As we can see from this poll, the Republicans were about 10-20% more likely to be racist than the Dems on every item. So, if they weren't so biased against everyone but their own kind (as you quoted from the source), they'd still be as likely to make it about race, if not moreso...and they have numerous times, anyway.
  by: MomentOfClarity     09/23/2008 05:14 AM     
I think you should have put some of the Republican views in your summary. Just a quick glance of the chart on the left shows they have much stronger racist views.

Also, while people might have this view about "most blacks", it doesn't mean that they have this view about Obama.

I'd also like to see how many people reported that most whites are good neighbours, etc...
  by: jendres     09/23/2008 05:16 AM     
  And I'll note...  
...this study is pretty sensationalistic, as conclusions go. The criteria for calling someone "racist" seems very loose. I think it'd be fair to say people stereotype or harbor prejudices, but racist? That's a heavy term to apply to someone who agrees to ONE negative adjective. A person may well second-guess themselves after not choosing several negatives and accept one so as not to appear to be overcompensating, and that's a confound. And I wholly disagree with the "responsible for their own problems" question. If you have a strong belief in personal responsibility, you're likely to say that of ANY group or individual. THAT one is biased against Republicans, in particular.

Racism certainly isn't gone, but I have my doubts that it's THIS widespread by what I see here.
  by: MomentOfClarity     09/23/2008 05:26 AM     
  Look at cray0la's source  
Republicans are far more racist than Democrats.
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 05:45 AM     
Do you at least agree that one third of democrats are racist?
  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 05:48 AM     
I'm one of them white Democratic racists
and sure as hell aint voting for that old senile white guy. learn all the different meanings of the word racist please.
  by: tasso   09/23/2008 05:51 AM     
Or you could, you know, read the article, and comment on that.

  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 05:56 AM     
I agree that that's what this survey found, and it saddens me. America still has a long way to go on issues of race.

The problem is that a lot of white Americans mistakenly believe that, in this post-Civil Rights era, black people are now on equal footing as white people. While equality of opportunity is at an all-time high in America, the problem is far from solved. Here's a recent study on the issue from what, for you, may be a familiar source : )
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 06:02 AM     
  Tasso made me think.  
Let's run the study again, then ask the white Democrats (or all of 'em, if you like) about which positive and negative adjectives they'd ascribe to whites. I guarantee they'll pick at least one and show their "racism" towards their own kind. After all, haven't we been hearing for the better part of this decade that the reason we need illegal Mexican labor because white Americans are too "lazy" to do those jobs?
  by: MomentOfClarity     09/23/2008 06:03 AM     
  im curious as to something...  
are the Random Capitalization of things supposed To signify emphasis On something, or is it just Bad capitalization
  by: elijah4twenty     09/23/2008 06:10 AM     
The admission was all I wanted. See you omitted it from your original responses - and according to Ec, I should totally ignore everything you say on the issue until you include that admission.

Now that you have, I'm free to actually read and consider your points in regards to this issue.
  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 06:12 AM     
If I thought there were no racist Democrats I would have said so, and had egg all over my face in the process. The fact of the matter is that cray0la's story is highly unbalanced in that it focuses on racism among Democrats while ignoring the study's finding that racism is far more prevalent among Republicans. Can you honestly say that's fair? (Hint -- now I'm the one looking for an admission.)
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 06:16 AM     
I take issue with this entire paragraph:

"Over a Quarter of democrats doubt that Obama can bring the change they want and are voting for McCain due to this reason, while Three in Ten democrats do not trust Obamas change making ideas and credentials and are also voting for McCain."

There's no way that three in 10 Democrats support McCain. Cray0la left out the adjective "white" from each instance of "Democrats" in this paragraph, making it look like all Democrats feel this way, not just the white ones.
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 06:18 AM     
  What cray0la says..  
Translation: "See, they are too!!!"
  by: Kaleid   09/23/2008 06:18 AM     
  left this out  
The title should also be changed to: "New Poll: One Third of White Democrats Are Racist." That's what the survey found, not that one third of all Democrats are racist.
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 06:19 AM     
You know, that's the exact same reasoning I used, but somehow it didn't work when I used it. Will it work for you? Stay tuned to see...
  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 06:19 AM     
I would love to see the actual odds of a black republican candidate being voted in to office. Impossible to determine, I know, but I don't think we are anywhere near that happening.
  by: THISISNEWS   09/23/2008 06:22 AM     
Is it fair or balanced? No, not at all.

I don't need to comment on it though because I know plenty of people - like yourself - here will, and that's restoration of balance.

It's no more or less fair though than the majority of summaries you post against McCain and Palin.
  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 06:28 AM     
  More findings from this poll  
These are all available on the PDF linked to the story:

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of…

The Democratic Party (in percentages)
Very favorable/Somewhat favorable: 23/32
Somewhat unfavorable/very unfavorable: 25/19 (55 favorable, 44 unfavorable)

The Republican Party (in percentages)
Very favorable/Somewhat favorable: 10/30 Somewhat unfavorable/very unfavorable: 30/28 (40 favorable, 58 unfavorable)

Barack Obama
Very favorable/Somewhat favorable: 30/24 Somewhat unfavorable/very unfavorable: 18/23 (54 favorable, 41 unfavorable)

John McCain
Very favorable/Somewhat favorable: 10/37 Somewhat unfavorable/very unfavorable: 23/19 (47 favorable, 42 unfavorable)

Michelle Obama
Very favorable/Somewhat favorable: 20/24 Somewhat unfavorable/very unfavorable: 15/19 (44 favorable, 34 unfavorable)

Cindy McCain
Very favorable/Somewhat favorable: 9/25 Somewhat unfavorable/very unfavorable: 14/9 (34 favorable, 23 unfavorable)

If the 2008 general election for President were being held today and these were the candidates, would
you vote for…

Barack Obama, the Democrat: 40
John McCain, the Republican: 35

After the presidential election in November, which of the following would you prefer?

Barack Obama as president and Democrats controlling the Congress: 45
John McCain as president and Republicans controlling the Congress: 33

Also, the poll reveals an untouched issue in this election -- economic class. The group identified by 77 percent of respondents as having "too much influence in politics" is wealthy people, by far the highest response (among the choices of white people, black people, elderly people and wealthy people). Among whites, 76 percent said wealthy people had too much influence.
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 06:49 AM     
  Congrats cray0la  
You must have been so thrilled from hearing about this report from your talk radio program, or was it Bill O's Factor (now in Technicolor!), that you simply had to share it with everyone.

Chances like this come by so rarely these days, you just have to grab hold of anything you can get.

My favorite part about the entire poll is the sentence at the very end of the methodology discussion right after they say that their sample selection was such that it shouldn't be off by more than 2.1 percentage points. The sentence to which I'm referring is: "There are other potentially greater sources of variability in surveys, including the wording and order of questions."
  by: opinionated   09/23/2008 06:50 AM     
My summaries against McCain and Palin are unfair? Please demonstrate with examples.
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 06:52 AM     
  sorry about  
forgetting to put the white democrat thing, i even forgot to put it in the title, i didnt do it seriously.

now on to the real point.

i could of used a source like the boston harold that didnt use a chart and go on about how the democrats are just racist, but i didnt, i went ahead and used a source that showed a chart showing the views of both democrats and republicans. the news story was not about the republicans being racist, it was about the democrats, the party that is suspose to be "open to all" and this story comes up.

also im being serious about the point where republicans dont bring up race, its NOT our issue and frankly ONE WE CANNOT WIN, its a democrat playing card and you know it.
MOC you trod all over your paragraphs, same with you langlais, ignoring the real truth here, the story wasnt about republicans and race, it was about the democrats and how there still alot of "discrimination" (lets try that instead of racist for the weak hearted) in that party.

whenever you hear the word race it comes from the liberal media.

to be completely 100% honest if there was a black candidate for president that represent the same views and ideologies as i do id vote for him. io could care less what color they are and the source clearly states republicans could care less what color he is, they wouldnt vote democrat no matter what the color.
  by: cray0la     09/23/2008 06:53 AM     
I would, but you'd just quibble and deny and not even consider that my points on the topic are justified and accurate.

When I said you were losing touch, I meant it. Go outside, touch the ground, and remember who you used to be.
  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 06:59 AM     
if you read one of my first posts, i clearly said i missed the white infront of the post.

and i could have posted this story yesterday when i first read of it from YAHOO.COM no talk radio. but i didnt.
i waited to see if one of the familar faces would and they didnt, thus making it a valuable story for me to post because i took it as langlais didnt want it on here. but none the less its still news worthy.

you can say this story is unbalanced all you want, but the real point here the story IS NOT about the democrats, the story does not talk about the republicans being racist, the chart is not in the story. its no doubt what the chart says but thats not the real part of the story
ill say again
the story is about democrats not republicans thats why i posted the story about the democrats.

its pretty simple, yes the source says republicans are more racist, but thats not what the story is about, its about the democrats still having race a issue so much that some will not vote for obama because of it.
  by: cray0la     09/23/2008 07:00 AM     
No it doesn't come from the liberal media, it comes from the media. As I said, they are keen to sell copy and race is a sensational issue. Therefore it sells. (Not as much as sex of course, and McCain knew that!)

  by: jendres     09/23/2008 07:13 AM     
"now i would like to say its never been the republicans bringing up his race, its always been the media and the democrats making it a issue of race"

Never republicans? You're a republican, you're the one bringing up race right now in your article post, aren't you?

LOL, I get a chuckle everytime you burst right out of the gate and shoot yourself in the foot with an argument and counter your own argument in a single breath.
  by: ukcn001XYZ   09/23/2008 07:26 AM     
Glad to see you're talking to people on here again.

As to your "liberal media" point, which is ridiculous, let me point out an inconvenient truth:

Ron Fournier is the Washington Bureau chief of the AP, the source for your story.

Fournier considered working as a senior advisor to John McCain last year (

And here's an exchange between Fournier and Karl Rove about the death of Pat Tillman:

"Karl Rove exchanged e-mails about Pat Tillman with Associated Press reporter Ron Fournier, under the subject line “H-E-R-O.” In response to Mr. Fournier’s e-mail, Mr. Rove asked, “How does our country continue to produce men and women like this,” to which Mr. Fournier replied, “The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight." (PDF file:

Just want to add -- you can't have your cake and eat it too. If this is a sound report, then you must also acknowledge that:

After the presidential election in November, which of the following would you prefer?

Barack Obama as president and Democrats controlling the Congress: 45
John McCain as president and Republicans controlling the Congress: 33
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 07:58 AM     
Aren't there two other options for that?

Obama and republican congress
McCain and democrat congress
  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 08:02 AM     
  Well played, Ukcn.  
Your agenda-driven submission of this story sure trods on your paragraphs, Crayola. Show me that you understood any of what I said and tell me just where I trod upon mine. Is it because the results of the study I, and others, pointed out wasn't the result you wanted to publicize? Data is nonpartisan, it's not limited to rebutting your "Democrats aren't racist" strawman just because you, or Yahoo, published it with that purpose. There's no putting it back in the box now, either.

No one but right-wing pundits setting up that strawman have ever said the left was some kind of hippy love-in without any racism at all. In fact, most of those "liberal" academics concluded some time ago that everyone is a little bit racist. And what kind of a douche tries to make being less racist a negative, anyway?

Yes, this is somewhat interesting. No, it does not make some grand, revealing statement about the Democratic Party. It says unpleasant things about them, even MORE unpleasant things about the Republicans, and overall makes the American people look pretty bad. Or perhaps not, like I said, I find their analysis VERY questionable.
  by: MomentOfClarity     09/23/2008 08:17 AM     
Indeed there are. Those two made up only 18 percent of respondents, but here they are:

Barack Obama as president and Republicans controlling the Congress: 5
John McCain as president and Democrats controlling the Congress: 13
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 08:25 AM     
By the way, where did you pick up the habit of using phrases like "Democrat Congress" or "Democrat candidate"?
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 08:29 AM     
  I hate them both  
The one pretending to make changes by virtue of including a woman, and the other one by virtue of having a black. Conformist swine are colourblind!

Seriously, please don't elect Mr. McBush.
  by: H. W. Hutchins   09/23/2008 08:31 AM     
You once criticised me for calling it the democratic party. If you know what I mean and the intention of what I say, then that's all I care about. You can quibble about exact phraseology if you want. It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not writing a thesis here.
  by: SoshiMaster   09/23/2008 08:37 AM     

Lets see who wears the cap.
  by: isuzu     09/23/2008 02:28 PM     
Everyone's a little bit racist
It's true.
But everyone is just about
As racist as you!
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
And everyone stopped being
Maybe we could live in -

Also, I don't think Obama is the "type" of black they're referring to in this study. I think they're referring to more "poor" than black.
  by: Svengali   09/23/2008 02:38 PM     
When you think every people is stupid, arrogant, racist, etc etc, that's not racism, that's just cynicism. ;)

When can you guys pull an election where people actually vote based on the issues? As it stands right now the elections are not too far off from a season of the bachelorette.
  by: silentrage   09/23/2008 03:10 PM     
  @ all  
Cmon, you all just found this out? This is old news. In AmeriKKKa, if you are not white, you are not right! Democrats and Republicans both!!!!! There are some whites who "tolerate" blacks, but the real emotion is hidden. The history of AmeriKKKa is racist.
  by: ukpunk1   09/23/2008 03:46 PM     
  So whats the percentage of republicans?  
90% or 99% maybe? Probably a lot higher than democrats Im willing to bet.

In the end though they both suck!
  by: slavefortheman     09/23/2008 03:58 PM     
  I m sure that REpubs had higher % of  
people who won't vote due to Obama's race. I also always said that we are still a very racist country and that will be his main stumbling block. Imagine what his present support would be if we could add back the 33% of dems that won't vote for him due to race.

{oh yeah, he is still to right wing for me.. when did the center get moved so far to the right?]
  by: MmmMan     09/23/2008 04:04 PM     
  Any academic reading that  
study will quickly see that it is inherently flawed as it gives only certain options for description as opposed to asking how people would categorise African Americans. People answering questions in this outdated mode of positivist academic research are guided towards certain answers and are letting the numbers than speak for themselves instead of interpreting data on a much wider base of data, both quantitative and qualitative. A bullshit study if I ever saw one, and a perfect example of the backwards positivist nature of many American academics at the top universities.
  by: dieu_7     09/23/2008 05:37 PM     
  wow...just wow  
"A New poll conducted with Stanford University show that racial views could make Obama lose the white house if the election stays close, More then One-Third of white democrats say blacks are Lazy, Violent, and responsible for there own troubles."

looks like america is a wee bit more racist than i thought

would really hate the see the poll about republicans and racism, given that democrats are 1/3 racist as a group, aren't republicans typically the more racist people... that always been my experience. just look as the more racist areas of the US why are majority republican regardless of whether they would never vote for a democrat doesn't make thwem racist, just stupid voters... those are the people that vote like they rooting for a sports team and will do so even when they know the party sucks, because "atleast their not democrats".
  by: HAVOC666     09/23/2008 05:47 PM     
  One of the most screwed up things in this country  
How everyone thinks there is a racial battle between white and black. What about other races? They are unaffected by racism? What about racism against whites? Racism isn't a game where pointing fingers at anyone is going to solve the problem. EDUCATION my friends... is the solution. But who needs to pay for education when we can be wasting all of our money on a pointless war?
  by: THISISNEWS   09/23/2008 06:02 PM     
  McCain is a liar & Obama is a racist  
Why would I back either of these guys?
  by: smarta$$     09/23/2008 06:30 PM     
"More then One-Third of white democrats say blacks are Lazy, Violent, and responsible for there own troubles"

Which blacks?

Add the word White and you describe the Trailer trash or "White Trash"?

So are they just trying to describe the "Black Trash"?

Seems like a hit piece not a true survey of racsism.

Ask questions like,

would you let your son/daughter date a black
Would you invite a black to your home for a BBQ
Would you consider yourself friends with a black person.....etc

Every race has Lazy, Violent pepole and everyone is responsible for thier own lives.
  by: DRHunk     09/23/2008 06:46 PM     
  obama racist?  
obama is racist?... since when? at the worst his church leader is a racist... how is obama racist? for knowing a person that might be racist... shit that make me racist some members of my family aren't fond of black people or arabs or anyone that looks arab, mind you they aren't vocal racist but they do have racist ways about them like looks of disgust to arabs or just a real ignorant view of black people.

i dont get racism, just shows how stupid and uncivilized we really are as a species... people of all races are racist its not just a white thing, though from my experience (and i'm about a white as a non-albino person can be) i would be perfectly comfortable saying white people are by far seemingly the most racist... atleast in north america... in some areas it rivals the racism we hear about from russia

"The number of Russian neo-Nazis is estimated at 50,000 to 70,000, "half of the world's total."[5][4]. The director of the Human Rights Bureau, Alexander Brod, stated that surveys show xenophobia and other racist expressions affect 50 percent of Russians.[6]"

"In Russia, the term Caucasian is a collective term referring to anyone descended from the native ethnicities of the Caucasus. In Russian slang, Caucasian people and Central Asians fall into the category of black. This is not associated with skin colour, color of hair, but a non-Slavic facial appearance.[8] Members of these ethnicities could be depicted as dangerous savages who are a threat to public safety."
  by: HAVOC666     09/23/2008 06:49 PM     
  im white  
and i agree with alot of the things his church said about the race situation in america. the pastor may be inflammatory and his words may be purposefully harsh but there is at least some truth to alot of what he says, except for the religious crap of course.
  by: dieu_7     09/23/2008 07:01 PM     
  Yep featured a white professor who regularly attends Trinity, and he took great offense to the myth that his church is racist or anti-white. You can find his commentary here:

  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 07:19 PM     
Actually, I quibbled with you for calling it the "Democrat Party," which is a slur used by Republicans here in the U.S. Usually with a slight emphasis on the last three letters.
  by: l´anglais     09/23/2008 07:23 PM     
i've not seen precisely what was said but i would agree that theres alot that can be said about white that may sound racist but is actually true, esspecially in the US which has a MAJOR history for racism... and not just against black either you name a race and at on point america as a nation was against them

native american, blacks, latino's, asians, arabs... they've all either been enslaved, occupied, murdered in mass (not so different from a slow genocide) or in gneral have had them live made unessarily more difficult as a result of america's underlying racism. and this certianly doesn't meant every american or even most are... though personally i think about half of all people in north america are racist, even if not vocally. nor is this ploblem exclusive to the US. in terms of racism america is very similar to russia from what i've seen and many americans would agree that russia has a major underlying racism problem.

the KKK for instance, what a dispicable group they are, its people like them that through history have been the reason for america's underlying racism...

this is definately worth a look; which president owned slave and quotes about it:

"1820: “I shudder when I think of the calamities which slavery is likely to produce in this country. You would think me mad if I were to describe my anticipations…If the gangrene is not stopped I can see nothing but insurrection of the blacks against the whites.”(Smith,p 138)"

the sad part is that these people knew what the slavery of the black people would do to america and did little or nothing to change it
  by: HAVOC666     09/23/2008 07:25 PM     
  Just my experiences, as a Southerner:  
I live in one of the most racist parts of America, in central Mississippi. We are the 'belt buckle' of the bible belt. Both of my parents are racist, most of my extended family is racist, and some of my friends are. That is the unfortunate norm here. I shocked them all when I decided to not be one. I decided to use thought and reasoning rather than hate for a group of disenfranchised people. I went from being what I would consider a republican to instead a democrat, because I felt my views and their views made the most sense at the time. As I got older, I found that both parties had a lot of issues and I felt alienated by both sides and ended up being what made the most logical sense to me, a libertarian-centrist.

Being that I've been both a Republican and Democrat, I feel that I have an unique insight into southern politics and the racism of white America, especially when it comes to southern democrats. I know many democrats here. They love Bill Clinton and would have voted for Hillary if she had gotten the nomination. With Obama winning the nomination, the chances of them voting democrat dwindled greatly. On dozens of occasions, these southern democrats - many of which I respected - told me they would not be voting a "black" man into office. Most didn't say "black" - you know what word they chose to use. It sickened me greatly to hear these past few months. Really.. I had thought that the white southern democrats had moved beyond their racism and that we were experiencing the last throes of a racist culture, but it turns out that we are still decades away from having a sense of true equality among the races.

Of course, and this is putting it lightly, the racism of southern democrats pale in comparison to the racism displayed by southern republicans. I have never heard the N-word said with such ferocity as I have heard it said only by a group of southern republicans discussing Obama's potential presidency. This of course is commonly followed by "You do know he's a Muslim, don't you?" followed by "He's going to get us all killed!" followed by more racist, bigoted and derogatory statements. Of course if I ask them what proof he is a Muslim, they’ll bring up the catholic and muslim schools he attended, when he was SIX years old. Don’t even ask what happens if I ask them “What’s wrong with being a Muslim anyways?” – I get a dozen pairs of eyes drilling holes through me. Then of course they bring up Bill Ayers, who committed his radical acts when Obama was just EIGHT years old. It is just so sickening what these people will lie about to try to get Obama discredited in the eyes of Americans.

I have to say though, there does appear to be some flames of change here. It's but a candle's flame now, but it appears to be burning a little hotter these days. The majority of the younger southern democrats that I have met seem to be far more accepting of blacks than the older generation. In fact, I typically only hear positive things from southern democrats under the age of thirty when it comes to Obama and blacks in general. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the younger generation doesn't appear to vote with any regularity, so their vote typically gets drowned out in the process. I think that is one thing that transcends party lines though, so it's hardly a democrat or republican issue.
  by: vash_the_stampede     09/23/2008 10:09 PM     
  Racism & Dems go way back.  
I see 1/3 kicking it old skool.
  by: Vhan     09/24/2008 04:58 AM     
  @Moment of Clarity  
Any person that thinks there is such a thing as "race" is a racist. That's it.

Even though reason and science has proven otherwise, many people persist with the idea of "blacks" and "whites" which is so horribly narrow minded and racist it takes nothing into account but a small manner of circumstance in a couple countries that haven't been around for very long.


I am always sickened by America's special brand of racism, so base, so generic to the point of absurdity. Try calling a black man in Japan who was born in Malaysia but has Ethiopian parents an "African American" your b.s. titles have no effect on defining individuals. We are all different. We all have different lives and different backgrounds. Certainly we can be identified by our current nationality, but even that is minimalistic. Until the United States adopts the policies of individualism, we will be trapped by these pathetic election choices. We will be trapped by the ignorance of masses. We can not be free human beings until we are all human beings.
  by: promontorium   09/24/2008 10:19 AM     
  Interesting article  
I wonder if at some point near the end, if Obama's numbers look too good, McCain's team will decide to do a last ditch "vote for the white dude" ad (except not exactly so blatant)...
  by: Mister crank     09/24/2008 04:43 PM     
"Any person that thinks there is such a thing as 'race' is a racist. That's it."

Not necessarily, one can simply be ignorant of what science has shown. One has to harbor negative antipathies towards another "racial" group to be truly racist. And that's not to say the concept of race is entirely meaningless, either. It may not be a biological classification, but it is still a social classification. There are still various cultures and divisions in society best called racial. Preserving labels like "African American" (or any [foreign] American) is a little silly, and doesn't help the problem, though. However, they've been a source of solidarity for many minorities through their struggles, and can we ask them to give them up when those struggles still aren't over? That's a tough case to make.
  by: MomentOfClarity     09/24/2008 07:02 PM     
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