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11/04/2008 11:18 AM ID: 74529 Permalink   

School Board Votes to Keep Ku Klux Klan Leader's Name


A school board in Duval County, Florida, voted 5-2 late Monday night to retain the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest High School. Named after a Confederate general and early Klan leader, the school's name has left many feeling insulted and angered.

Black board members voted to change the school's name, saying "(Forrest) was a terrorist and a racist," and "It is time to turn the page and get beyond where we are." but stressed that this issue shouldn't take priority over education.

June Cooper, a white graduate from Forrest, opposed the name change along with others. "He was a good man. He was a military genius," said Cooper. Board member Tommy Hazouri voted to keep the name, saying it's hard to know "who the real Forrest is."

    WebReporter: vash_the_stampede Show Calling Card      
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  If he was  
a klan member it is not that hard to know he had some issues. Racism being the foremost. That seems to be enough to remove his name. There are plenty good people out there that could have replaced the schools name.

Then again.

This IS the US we are talking about.

Racists (Nathan Bedford) and Nazi's Werner von Braun) are always welcomed.
  by: Flutje   11/04/2008 12:10 PM     
  In reading  
The article, it says he refused the honorary title of Grand Wizard and apparently his only involvement with the KKK was to disband them.
Unless these facts are completely incorrect, I'd say leave the school name as it stands.
  by: Allanthar     11/04/2008 02:03 PM     
In the article it also says
"Forrest amassed a fortune as a plantation owner and slave trader, importing Africans long after the practice had been made illegal"

and that the school was named after him as a protest to integration.

That doesn't seem appropriate or sensitive.
  by: Convivial   11/04/2008 06:12 PM     
  Read Wikipedia  
It gives conflicting information on him. It sounds like he may have been racist but then on reading other aspects of his life, it sounds as if he was not...

Hard to tell.

He did have black troops assigned within his elite regiments and also black troops among his regulars.

Also noted was that he freed his slaves in return for serving under him.

He also gave a speech some time after the war at a civil rights meetings saying how blacks should be on the same level as whites and should have the right to vote.
  by: slavefortheman     11/04/2008 06:28 PM     
  get over it...  
History is history, let it be.
  by: rippler2k3   11/04/2008 06:54 PM     
So you'd have no issue with a predominately Jewish school being named Hitler High?

History is history, after all.
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/04/2008 10:15 PM     
  June Cooper..  
may want a little visit her self, get a gang of men to scare the life out of her in white sheets and leave a burning cross in her lousy garden too.

What silly cow, now everyone knows who she is.
  by: captainJane     11/04/2008 10:33 PM     
I didn't realize the parallels of duty between Nathan Forrest and Adolf Hitler were so clear cut...thanks for clarifying
  by: darkshanker   11/05/2008 02:39 AM     
  I wonder how many of the kids currently  
attending this school know who this man was or what he did in his life?
If, during my youth, I had done wrong and since changed my ways should I change my name so as not to remind people the evils of my past?

  by: bbeljefe     11/05/2008 03:51 AM     
No problem, if you have any additional questions you may PM me and I'll clear them up for you.
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/05/2008 04:22 AM     
Don't discredit von Braun just because of his affiliation with the Nazis, he only joined up to get access to the resources he needed to do research in rocketry. If it weren't for von Braun our space program would have been far outstripped by the Russians and we never would have put a man on the moon.
  by: Stryc9   11/05/2008 05:07 AM     
But do you really know what he did or are you going strictly off rumors and what you see on movies like "Forrest Gump"?

If you read into him, you would find that he may have been a racist early on. But even that is hard to tell. He definitely was not one later in life. He did apparently change his ways:

"Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)"

This was part of a speech he delivered to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, a civil rights organization. He even gave a kiss on the cheek to the woman that gave him the flowers, which at the time was unheard of!

Most people attribute his racist attitude towards his action at Ft. Pillow. Historians show that not just black troops were massacred but white ones as well. If anything it was a war crime rather than a hate crime. That doesnt make it any better but still I have my doubts about him being racist. I think he just disliked slothfulness and laziness and respected anyone that worked hard.
  by: slavefortheman     11/05/2008 10:33 PM     
That deserves a massive round of applause, Obama would be proud if the way you repeated those words. :)
I would like to say sorry for those of you who are disappointed, but if you want a more realistic and peaceful world, believe me we have more chance with this guy!
He has an enormous hill to climb and it will take years, Bush has destroyed almost everything in our world from trust down to human values; the puppeteer and his puppet lost vast amounts of respect for America, and did nothing but cause carnage, and if the his malevolence was not enough against countries that were of threat to you or should I say us all, to attack in the way he did, but he also rolled his dice on millions of innocent lives on both foreigners and his own people alike.
God help Obama in fixing this mess but Men and people like Obama are our last chance!
  by: captainJane     11/05/2008 11:11 PM     
I don't get my information from movies because I don't watch them.
Further, I don't have any idea who this man is and I don't care.
This effort reeks of political correctness which never serves any useful purpose. These board members would do their children a much better service by directing their efforts toward policing the cirriculum of the school, not the sign on the building.
  by: bbeljefe     11/06/2008 02:30 PM     
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