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11/09/2008 08:44 AM ID: 74673 Permalink   

69% Of Republicans say Palin Helped the McCain Ticket

 

In a new Rasmussen poll, 69% of republicans say adding Sarah Palin as the vice president candidate helped the McCain camp, this comes after reports surfaced of some McCain staffers thought of her as a liability to the party.

Also in the poll, 91% of republicans have a favorable view of palin, while just 20% said she hurt the ticket, The Poll also showed that republicans were happier with Palin then Mccain himself. while 71% said she was a good pick for a VP.

66% of men and 61% of women say Palin is there choice for the presidential nomination in 2012, while 81% of democrats and 57% of independents had a unfavorable view of her.Other numbers show republicans have a 80% favorability for Huckabee and Romney

 
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  She helped it all right...  
 
...to crash and burn >_<
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/09/2008 08:54 AM     
  On the other hand..  
 
100% of Republicans thought McCain would win.
 
  by: LeroyJenkins     11/09/2008 09:01 AM     
  @vash  
 
Please elaborate? how did she make it crash and burn, she rallied the conservative base. something mccain COULD NOT DO. you liberals would of have huge landslide you talked about if she wasnt put on the ticket because the conservatives would not of been rallied.

the only talk coming about palin messing or hurting the party was from the left. it was aimed as a typical smear tactic from the left.
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 09:03 AM     
  @leroy  
 
i beg to differ, i said the race would be close but i never said mccain would flat out win, bush really messed things up and was not conservative about anything. it was the economic strifes in the stock market and homes that obama pushed as being bushes fault that got him elected. thats when mccain lost his gains, and to be completely honest the housing crunch were from the democrats. there constant push to deregulate freddie and fannie mae while bush and republicans pushed for regulations.
democrats ran freddie and fannie, often calling sub prime loans "riskless" while they lined there pockets and laughed all the way to the bank
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 09:06 AM     
  oh ya  
 
im going to give your president the same respect you gave mine.
the republicans and conservatives get to do what all you dems have done for the last 8 years, thats sit back and relax and critize everything and anything that bush pushed for and backed.
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 09:07 AM     
  @cray0la  
 
Chief, the democrats *did* win in a landslide =] Almost 350 electoral votes and a popular vote of almost 10 million more people than McBush :)

Democrats even took away some of your precious red states, thanks in part to that idiot with her inability to answer those hard-hitting liberal questions such as "What magazines do you read"?

Sarah Palin was the best thing that could have happened for the Democrat party and I hope she does decide to get involved in the 2012 elections, Obama wouldn't mind the help and winning in another landslide =]
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/09/2008 09:11 AM     
  Vash stole my thunder  
 
There were a lot...and I do mean A LOT of people that voted for Obama solely because of McCain's choice of Palin, myself included. It was the first time I had ever voted Democrat in 30 years.
 
  by: LeroyJenkins     11/09/2008 09:25 AM     
  @vash  
 
if palin was such a idiot and dumb choice then why did you liberals run story after story in her 17 year old pregnant child?

why did you liberals spend countless hours searching for story after story to destroy her?

what were you all so afraid of if she was just some idiot wrong pick??
its the obvious, your side is scared of someone who gets as much hype as she did, someone who can rally a usually un ralliable base, someone who is a smart women, typical small town american middle class and a republican.

thats were it points to,
in my eyes it wasnt a landslide, obama spent over 600 million and out spent mccain 5-1 he didnt pull the states he wanted and the news media was always asking why obama couldnt pull ahead and so on..

one more thing Mccain CORKED palin, he kept her from saying and talking about certain things, kept her from doing interviews and so on. her experience isnt far off from obama, 143 days of present votes in the senate isnt much experience for president ya kno??

but when you promise everyone the sky and then some thats what happens you get the vote, when you buy elections like obama did you get the vote, when you lie in your election about taking public financing then say no im not going to its pretty obvious.

heres one of obamas voters, right after a rally, for some reason she thinks shes promised the sky and then some,

http://www.youtube.com/...

you also got a better and smoother talker then clinton when a teleprompter is in your face.
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 09:33 AM     
  and vash  
 
those "precious red states" you claim were REALLY close, if not close to being tied, then close by 1-2 percent.
not so much of a landslide.
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 09:36 AM     
  @LeroyJenkins  
 
I'm sorry :( If I hadn't just hocked your thunder at EZ Pawn I'd give it back, I promise ;(

Seriously though, you're not alone. I'm a centrist; I don't have a party affiliation. I vote for the better candidate that best represents me. This time, I really didn’t have that option. The candidate that best represented me was Ron Paul, but I knew that a vote for Ron Paul was a vote for McCain/Palin.

I was on the fence on this election for a long time. Granted, I like 77% of America felt utterly betrayed by this Administration. Yet I liked McCain. He was a great man, a man that I respected. A man that would have gotten my vote back in 2000 if he had gotten the nomination. But the McCain of 2008 is nothing like the McCain of 2000. He slowly drifted to the far right and began to alienate all those such as myself who are still toward the center. His pick of Sarah Palin as Vice President sealed the deal for me and showed me just how far right McCain had gone.

Even with him voting with Bush 90% of the time over the past few years, I never dreamed in a million years he’d pick someone like Palin who, for all intents and purposes, is a female version of George Bush. She believed she was ordained by G_d for crying out loud. I’ve heard more than one person here in my state of Mississippi describe her as an “average” person that they felt they could relate to.

I heard the same things back in 2000, that George Bush was a person that you could relate to, that he was a person you could sit down by and drink a beer with. We’ve seen how the world turns out when you elect a drinking partner as president… and even so, we have not learned I suppose. The right were willing to elect a female version of George Bush, an “average” person for the people.

It sickens me greatly. When did America start accepting “average” people to the presidency and vice presidency? When did Americans start thinking it was a good idea to elect Joe Six-packs and Susie Soccer Moms to the most powerful positions of the world.
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/09/2008 09:41 AM     
  @vash  
 
are you talking about joe the plumber?

another person that the media destroyed, but why? because he asked obama a simple question about obamas tax policy? because he had a dream of some day owning his own plumbing buisness?

he made 40k ayear, a typical middle class person, yet her was portrayed as someone bad, his personal life and everything in between was looked up and searched with state computers in ohio and then the information passed onto media agencies.

if your so agaianst this "real americans" being elected into office then what do you call obama if hes not a ordinary american?

everyone had to start somewhere and jsut because palin is not a elitist, or big rich yuppy and didnt take advantage of governemnt like obama has or any other fat head in politics doesnt make them un able to govern or run a office.

infact it makes them MORE in touch with the everyday person that is the back bone of this country.
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 09:55 AM     
  @cray0la  
 
Why do you keep saying “you liberals”? I’m a libertarian centrist and am about as liberal as you are. Also I saw no major publications ever attacking her 17 year old pregnant daughter. I did see some publications which fairly pointed out the hypocrisy on the right which slammed Jamie Lynn Spears and her parents when she got pregnant, with some of the biggest chest-beaters on the right calling her and her parents “pinheads” yet when the daughter of the Vice-Presidential pick is also underage and pregnant they suddenly get a free pass with those same chest-beaters saying that as long as the unwed child won’t be a drain on society we shouldn’t care. Yeah, like Jamie Lynn Spears is going to be a drain on society.

Destroy her? Are you daft? The vice presidency is ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY from the most powerful job on EARTH. Whoever is in this position needs to be properly vetted; they need to be tested BEFORE getting elected. What about this do you not understand? She would have been vice president of a 72 year old who would have been fighting death from old age. Most people felt she wasn’t ready to be Vice President which means virtually NOBODY felt she was ready for the presidency. Why elect someone who 62% of people felt wasn’t ready to be the Vice President much less the President should the need to rise?

I was never “afraid” of her as a candidate and I seriously doubt anyone was either. What I was “afraid” of is her simple mind, and that Republicans actually thought it a good idea to vote for someone so simple to one of the most powerful job on Earth.

It doesn’t matter what it was in your landslide. I actually made a typo before, he almost garnered 370 electoral college votes (which is, by all definitions, a landslide. He’s just shy of that official definition). It doesn’t matter how much he spent, the results are in. People voted for change not only in the booth but with their wallets too; pissed off Americans, angry at George Bush and his reichwing dynasty, donated what they could when they could to ensure that we as a country got someone better, someone we deserved to lead us in the 21st century.

McCain kept Palin from the press with good reason. If he hadn’t corked her you’d likely seen a few more states go blue. Every time that Bush-in-Drag kept opening her mouth, Obama’s favorability increased while McCain/Palin decreased. Not in terms of Republicans – Republicans *loved* it when Palin spoke. You want to know who didn’t? Independents, which Republicans sorely needed in order to combat Obama’s powerful youth vote. Instead, Obama got both the Independent both and the youth vote thanks in part to Palin’s mouth and silly and lengthy diatribes when she was asked one of the few follow-up questions she received.

As for that video you posted, if you weren’t such a rightwing nutjob you’d easily understood what she was saying. She believes that the economy will improve under Barack Obama’s tutelage, heralding in better times for herself and others. That is why she won’t have to worry about gas for her car or her mortgage as she’ll be financially sound enough under the economic policies of Barack Obama to be able to afford such things, things that are now being seen more and more as luxurious, things that we used to take for granted under Bill Clinton.
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/09/2008 10:01 AM     
  @cray0la  
 
“Joe the Plumber?” Ah, you mean Sam Wurzelbacher, who isn’t even a licensed plumber.

No, I’m afraid Sam was the master of his own destruction and as usual you wearing blinders too thick to see that.

The media didn’t make Sam call Barack Obama a socialist -- Sam did that himself.

The media didn’t make Sam call Barack Obama un-American -- Sam did that himself.

The media didn’t make Sam say a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for the death to Israel -- Sam did that himself.

The media didn’t make Sam pretend to be a foreign policy expert -- Sam did that himself.

The media didn’t make Sam not pay his taxes -- Sam did that himself.

Don’t you see a bit of a pattern here? Samuel J. Wurzelbacher has been a willing participant of his own demise, thanks in part to John McCain, who chose to invoke his name twenty-one during the 2nd debate.

That’s right. John McCain invoked the not-a-plumber TWENTY-ONE times during the second debate. He, John McCain, is the primary reason Sam has been in the spotlight, John McCain is the primary reason the media actually did any research on Sam whatsoever =]

Sam has himself and John McCain to think for him being “destroyed”. Sam could have used his publicity, got a loan, started his own “Joe the Plumber” business and rode gracefully into the sunset. Did he do that? Nope. He CHOSE to keep the spotlight on him, he CHOSE to say the idiotic things he said about Obama, he CHOSE to be a participant in his own “destruction”.
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/09/2008 10:11 AM     
  My problem with Palin...  
 
like so many others that cannot stand her is that she's just too stupid to be in Washington. Well, at least she has the lying part down.
 
  by: LeroyJenkins     11/09/2008 10:31 AM     
  Great  
 
These are some great statistics.

If they continue to use this logic they will be stupid enough to continue with their philosophy of appealing to radical right wingers, ultra conservatives and religious zealots. With that campaign focus they will lose out on the typical American vote and thus continue to lose one election after another.

The Republicans need to move toward the center, stop with their bitter divisive politics, and learn to appeal to people who are not old, white and rich.
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 10:44 AM     
  @cray0la  
 
"im going to give your president the same respect you gave mine."

- First off an American president is president of all Americans.

Secondly, what you appear to be saying is that rather than judge Obama for his actions, you are going to harbor some kind of resentment because in your mind 'liberals' did not respect Bush. And as a result of this 'disrespect' you are going to use that as an excuse to hate Obama (even before he takes office).

Fact of the matter is, as with many liberals, I was disappointed that Bush stole the election in 2000. But I accepted him as my president.

Then I watched him handle his job in office, and then 9/11.

I, like the vast majority of people in this country, noticed that he was a moron. A useless president who was not fit for the job. Once I realized this, I became vocal about his ineptitude. Not to do so makes you as guilty as Bush.

But since you are such a Bush lover, maybe you can answer me a question that so far no Bush supporter has ever been able to answer: Name five positive achievements of the Bush administration.
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 10:51 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
I disagree. I say let these people have the Republican Party and the mess they made of it. Hopefully the more central/independent Republicans can migrate to the libertarian or some other third party. That way there will be a more diverse set of candidates. Added bonus the fiscally conservative small gov people can say I'm not with stupid anymore.
 
  by: Jaded Fox     11/09/2008 10:56 AM     
  @cray0la 1/2  
 
“if palin was such a idiot and dumb choice then why did you liberals run story after story in her 17 year old pregnant child?”

- Palin is on record as being anti abortion and anti sex education. She has talked about wanting Intelligent Design presented in science class. She opposed proper sex education. She supports abstinence only education. She thinks forcing a child who has been raped by her father to have a baby is okay.

So with these radical (and minority) views in mind, she opens her own life up to judgment. Does her own life measure up to the ideals she peddles. And in this case no. Sure, all teens have mistakes. Many teens get pregnant. But you have to wonder if Palin’s daughter had received proper advice about birth control, and safer sex practices, maybe she would not have gotten pregnant as a teen un-wed mother. Something that flies in the face of all the conservative values Palin claims to support.

“why did you liberals spend countless hours searching for story after story to destroy her?”

- Because old man McCain was 72. We have a right to know who this woman is who could potentially have been the President of the United States.

“what were you all so afraid of if she was just some idiot wrong pick??”

- We were afraid because if the sick old man croaks, she becomes Commander in Chief.

“its the obvious, your side is scared of someone who gets as much hype as she did, someone who can rally a usually un ralliable base, someone who is a smart women, typical small town american middle class and a republican.”

- First off, she is a millionaire and governor of a state. This does not make her a typical middle class American. Just because she winks and says ‘you betcha’ doesn’t make her like you or me.

As for smart. You have to be shitting us. She was stumped by Katie Couric, the easiest interviewer in America. She was confused about what the role of the Vice President was. She couldn’t name a single newspaper she reads (or any other publication). She didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine was. She didn’t know who was in the North American Free Trade Agreement. And she didn’t understand the First Amendment.

You state she is a ‘typical middle class American,’ which I don’t accept. But even if that were the case, why would we want someone typical and ordinary to run our country? If you were going to have surgery tomorrow, would you want a surgeon who graduated top of his class from Harvard Medical School, or someone who scraped by and barely graduated but seemed like a nice person to have a beer with? What about a pilot? Next time you board a plane, do you want a pilot who seems like a nice ordinary guy, or someone with exceptional piloting skills?
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 11:18 AM     
  @cray0la 2/2  
 
“in my eyes it wasnt a landslide, obama spent over 600 million and out spent mccain 5-1 he didnt pull the states he wanted and the news media was always asking why obama couldnt pull ahead and so on..”

- 364 to 173. That’s a big ass kicking. Sure on the popular vote it might have been a different story, but that’s not how you Americans roll.
As for the outspending thing, Obama got there by convincing hard working Americans to send him money. That was their choice. McCain didn’t have the money because fewer people wanted to send him money.

“one more thing Mccain CORKED palin, he kept her from saying and talking about certain things, kept her from doing interviews and so on.”

- And despite that, she still made a fool of herself. If they had just let her do all the interviews she wanted at will, she would have been an even bigger laughing stock.

“her experience isnt far off from obama”

- That’s just right wing crap.

She got 600 votes to become mayor of the meth capital of Alaska. She attended four different colleges to scrape together a basic degree in communications. From there became a sports reporter for a local TV station. Obama graduated from Harvard Law magna cum laude with an advanced J.D. degree.

Just their educational backgrounds alone places them in different worlds.

He’s had seven years in the Ilinois Senate and over four years in the US Senate. That’s a lot different from running a tiny town as mayor and making rape victims buy their own rape kits.
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 11:18 AM     
  @cray0la  
 
"typical small town american middle class and a republican."

They had a million dollars in assets? Look, I think you've proven time and time again that you say very unintelligent things with no real concrete report. But one thing I just can't shake is why you continue to hang around Short News with us "liberals?" Wouldn't you be better fed(brainwashed) over at the Fox news forums instead? Just an idea.
 
  by: blac   11/09/2008 12:01 PM     
  At: crazyola (your deserving that name moreandmore  
 
yeah palin sure did help the ticket...

helped obama get elected that is.


@crayola

there was a landslide 8 million vote more in the popular vote which is always close and 2:1 win in electoral votes... thats basically a landslide.

her sheer stupidity alone (much like bush) should have automatically disqualified her from the position... it didn't... however being an idiot disqualified her autmomatically amongst all intelligent voters.

"the only talk coming about palin messing or hurting the party was from the left. it was aimed as a typical smear tactic from the left."

actually it was comming from both side with republicans blaming mccain for picking an incompetent VP; ironically the same thing democrats were saying about palin the whole time. and furthermore ALL SMEARS in this last election were FROMTHE REPUBLICANS not at themn as you vainly keep insisting.

``thats when mccain lost his gains, and to be completely honest the housing crunch were from the democrats. there constant push to deregulate freddie and fannie mae while bush and republicans pushed for regulations.
democrats ran freddie and fannie, often calling sub prime loans "riskless" while they lined there pockets and laughed all the way to the bank``

you wouldn`t know how to be honest if you tried.

you`ve have been proven wrong DOZENSS of time on this matter of regulation and you still insist it was the democrats... when 2 republicans and 1 democrats made the deregulations legistlation and clinton signed it, then years later BUSH signed another one that further deregulated the markets­. like i said you wouldn`t kbow how to be honest if you tried.

``oh ya
im going to give your president the same respect you gave mine.
the republicans and conservatives get to do what all you dems have done for the last 8 years, thats sit back and relax and critize everything and anything that bush pushed for and backed.``

except bush did everything wrong and thusly justly deserves to be critized... you on the other hand are critizign blindly and based entirely on lies and half-truths.

if palin was such a idiot and dumb choice then why did you liberals run story after story in her 17 year old pregnant child?

why did you liberals spend countless hours searching for story after story to destroy her?```

are you f*cking retarded... wait don`t answer that ... we know the answer already.

its because she was a be was an abstinence only nutcase and it couldn`t even work in her own house let alone country wide as she ignorantly wanted.

now why were the republicans constanly smearing obama... because they had no real platform other than pity and fear.

``and the news media was always asking why obama couldnt pull ahead and so on..``

yup this is exactly why he had a 7.4% lead going into the election... because he couldn`t pull ahead.... geez think before you type , your looking as dumb as palin which is guess is ok for you since you think that level of stupidity constitutes an intelligent woman... shit i guess by your standardas of smart all women must be stupid... after all one og the stupidiest women in i`ve evern seen is what you regard as smart...lol

``one more thing Mccain CORKED palin, he kept her from saying and talking about certain things, kept her from doing interviews and so on. her experience isnt far off from obama, 143 days of present votes in the senate isnt much experience for president ya kno??```

because every time she opened her mouth she made an ass of herself that only people of equal or lesser intelligence would ever respond positively too.

not to mention she think foreign policy experience is being able to see russia from alaska...lol

i guess i`m wqualified to be prim minsiter not only have i seen the US from my border i have also actually been there... shit i must be an expert like palin....lol

``but when you promise everyone the sky and then some thats what happens you get the vote, when you buy elections like obama did you get the vote, when you lie in your election about taking public financing then say no im not going to its pretty obvious.```

he never promised any such thing... he campaigned on change not promising the sky... that something you exremist on the right cooked up.

obama didn`t buy the election he fiananced it through donation... mccain took the money from taxpayers instance... quit being a bitter bastard becasue the GOP didn`t have the foresight or charisma to have the same kind of fundraising effort.


``you also got a better and smoother talker then clinton when a teleprompter is in your face.``

every politican has a teleprompter, how come your not critizing palin or mccain for it... hell palin was messing up constantly even with one and still you stand behind her.

``and vash
those "precious red states" you claim were REALLY close, if not close to being tied, then close by 1-2 percent.
not so much of a landslide.``

your not getting it
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/09/2008 01:28 PM     
  At: crazyola  
 
``and vash
those "precious red states" you claim were REALLY close, if not close to being tied, then close by 1-2 percent.
not so much of a landslide.``

your not getting it HE CONVERTED THEM FROM A RED STATES TO AS BLUE STATES this election... never even mind the battleground which he won most of, by comparison mcccain needed ALL of them to win and lost most of them PLUS red states.

``are you talking about joe the plumber?

another person that the media destroyed, but why? because he asked obama a simple question about obamas tax policy? because he had a dream of some day owning his own plumbing buisness?``

no he didn`t everything he was taklking to opbama about was a lie... starting with being a plumber, nor was in in a position to buy the company, he also owes taxes from previous years that he hasn`t paid..

another idiot that destroy themselves by openign their mouth and removing all bdoubt about their intelligence; the veridct is in joe was a dummy and a dumby.

``he made 40k ayear, a typical middle class person, yet her was portrayed as someone bad, his personal life and everything in between was looked up and searched with state computers in ohio and then the information passed onto media agencies.``

and he actually though obama`s tax plan would hurt thim even when he would only stand to gain under obama`s tax plan.

``if your so agaianst this "real americans" being elected into office then what do you call obama if hes not a ordinary american?``

obama actually is a hardworking person that is abundantly clear fro mthe campaigning if nothing else. no such thing is known about joe the plumber only the lies he used in a hypothetical question to obama.

``everyone had to start somewhere and jsut because palin is not a elitist, or big rich yuppy and didnt take advantage of governemnt like obama has or any other fat head in politics doesnt make them un able to govern or run a office.``

obama`s not an elitts either, as the right continues to potray him as... he is a self-made millionaire... he didn`t fall assbackwards into like people like bush.

``infact it makes them MORE in touch with the everyday person that is the back bone of this country.``

being stupid shouldn`t make you more in touch with the country... and she was... obama was, hence why he won.

if you want to elect stuipidity that your choice... as it clearly was by your freverent defense of said stupidity. hopefully the other half of american will remain smart enough to be in opposition of stupidity and stupid people in general.

``typical small town american middle class and a republican.``

well she was a republican you were right about that part... and american, though she supports alaskan independence and is even married to a seccessionist... yup her loyalties really were to the US... NOT.

and she is anything but typical of a small town person, other than being dumber than the average american... she live a posh, lavish lifestyle... small town people don`t... infact that are usually 1 step from bankruptcy... and as for mis=ddle class, she spent a middle class income of clothing in a month, nor did they ever release the real figure yet ($150,000 was a conservative number that didn`t included most of the more expensive things like here $22,000 hair dress from `so you think you can dance`.... THAT IS NOT TYPICAL... not even close.
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/09/2008 01:40 PM     
  @Cray0la  
 
I would have voted Republican if there had been a Republican running for office. I refuse to vote Neo-Cons because they don't represent any of the views I hold.

I am all for small government, the Second Amendment, less taxes, free enterprise and other traditional Republican ideals. Unfortunately, the Neo-Cons don't espouse any of these values. All the Neo-Cons care about is abusing their power and control over the citizens, forcing their religious fanaticism down everyone's throat. We have watched for 8 years as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have been systematically dismantled, our nation has been turned into a police state, we have become colonialists attacking sovereign nations, we torture other human beings, government spending is higher than ever, the debt doubled, our phone calls are being monitored, our own spy satellites fly over our homes, we have our own troops in our streets to keep us under control, 1 million people became unemployed this year alone, and the economy is in the toilet. I could go on for hours with the BULLSHIT we have been subjected too from the Neo-Con party. Bush has trashed the Neo-Con party and any creditability they may have had. The TRUE Republicans didn't have a candidate running after Ron Paul dropped out of the race.

Bush and the Neo-Cons will be gone in a few months and I can't wait. I am not thrilled with Dems and their ideas but we can't survive another 4 years of this nonsense. BRING ME A REAL REPUBLICAN WITH REAL REPUBLICAN VALUES AND I WILL VOTE FOR THEM. I have no time for Neo-Nazi Cons and religious extremists. If the base is nothing more than religious extremists then the psudo-Republican party will continue to lose elections as people will more and more see them as the US version of al-qaida, just another bunch of religious fanatic wackos.
 
  by: valkyrie123     11/09/2008 03:18 PM     
  @crayzola  
 
No matter how close anything was, let look at a single state: North Carolina.

The state I was born in.

Coverted to voting democrat, which it hasn't done since 1975...
 
  by: Kroww   11/09/2008 04:03 PM     
  My take  
 
So what if Republicans were impressed by Palin? She didn't help overall, because of the final electorate, 37 percent were Democrats, 33 percent were Independents and 30 percent were Republicans. When your political party doesn't have a large share of the electorate -- only 3 out of every 10 Americans are Republicans -- you have to get some Democrats and you really need the Independents.

Palin's views on things like abortion; her scandals; and her obvious lack of experience and knowledge turned off the Independent voters (who also don't like the type of sharp partisan attacks she made daily).

Thus, since Republicans are a smaller percentage of the voting public, you have to appraise Palin's appeal among the electorate as a whole. That's where her numbers get horrible. In the last polls taken before the election, less than 40 percent of those surveyed thought she was ready for the job.

And the reason for all the stories about Palin? Well, she granted very few interviews to tell her own story, so she left an information void to be filled by reporters who found some rather interesting nuggets from her record as governor and Wassilla mayor, and they may have suspected that Palin wasn't doing interviews so these issues wouldn't come to light. The problem with Palin was that she couldn't seem to accept that people want to know about candidates for high office.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     11/09/2008 05:50 PM     
  One more thing  
 
Obama won in a landslide, with 365 Electoral College votes and a six-point margin in the popular vote that translates to over 7 million more votes than John McCain got.

In 2004, when Bush won 286 EC votes and beat Kerry by about 2.5 percent in the popular vote, he immediately claimed a mandate. Just do a google search for "2004" "Bush" "mandate" -- you'll see for yourself. If that was a mandate, then Obama's victory is certainly a mandate, since he won by a margin that was last seen in 1996.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     11/09/2008 05:53 PM     
  @zct  
 
i never said i love bush, you jsut went off and assumed. i have disagreed many times on things he has done.

and another thing what has obama done in his life?

name some achievements because i dont see any.
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 07:02 PM     
  @vash  
 
i love how you justify peggy joesph
where she clearly says

I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY TO FILL MY GAS TANK, MY MORGAGE AND SO ON..

she said I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY, I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY, I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY.

so who then is paying? she just said herself that SHE is no longer paying, so who then is??

dont try to spin it off that she knows that the economy will be better and she will be able to pay, its stupid and you know exactly what she said.

she things the handouts will be great, obama will pay for everything she owns, thats why she voted for him.

i love how you spin it to something logial when the women just came out of a rally happy because shes going to be on welfare and that obamas going to pay for all her shit, i hope she holds her breath until then.

ya

JOE THE PLUMBER, you didnt address anything i said, joe the plumber was a real working american, with DREAMS of owning his own plumbing buisness, is that a crime? TO THE DEMOCRATS IT IS, because they used ohio government comptuers to run every check possible on the man and then give it to the media to run with, JUST BECAUSE HE ASKED OBAMA A QUESTION, yes mccain put him in his campaign as a symbol, WHY? because hes a hard working american like all of us, not a liberal elitist like obama, this is the actual back bone of the US, real middle class americas and HE WAS DESTROYED BY THE MEDIA USING GOVERNMENT COMPUTERS TO DIG UP PERSONAL INFORMATION AND THEN HAVING IT FORWARDED TO MEDIA OUTLETS,
before mccain used joe the plumber in his debate he was already destroyed, the fact that you talk about his taxes and personal life is unacceptable and just stupid, when it had nothing to do about the question he asked obama.

it was just a random person obama asked a question to and his life and everything about it was destroyed and made public by the liberal media,so much for democrats and obama being for middle class america? when there quick to through anyone under the bus and smear them if they ask a simple tax related question NOT in the favor of obama
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 07:10 PM     
  @havoc  
 
im not getting it??
NO your not getting it

your so stuck in government handout/social land canada where you think healthcare is a right you dont even know what your talking about all the time.

republicans caused freddie and fannie mae to fall? i beg to differ and i was proved wrong many time YOU WERE.
so much for that huh??

http://www.youtube.com/...

http://www.youtube.com/...
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 07:19 PM     
  @vash  
 
are you living under a rock?\
thats all the media talked about for weeks on end was palins pregnant daughter, its pretty sad. it was even SN reported, the daugthers life was probed same with her fiancees life, pretty sad what they will do for a story, just like joe the plumber, destroy anyone standing in the way who doesnt stand for what we stand for.

and havoc, it wasnt about abstinance, it puts her in touch with typical america even more, alot of 17 year olds are pregnant now a days and no matter how much government money and teaching goes into them shit still happens, its called life and sex and kids are enjoying both so yes the media produced story after story on a 17 year old being pregnant. pretty sad.

one more thing palin was cleared of any wrong dooing on the troopergate
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 07:24 PM     
  @havoc  
 
obama bought the election, clear and simple.

the democrats were ALWAYS for public financing, it came about on there side because it was "fair" and the thing to do because one candidate couldnt outspend another and there would be a equal number of ads and such so the election wouldnt be one sided.

so much for that huh? as soon as a democrat opposes the precious so called public financing for fairness they get a pass, only because it will benefit there side, so much for fairness and such,
 
  by: cray0la     11/09/2008 07:27 PM     
  I'd love to see Palin run in 2012  
 
The Repub's would get the 3 "R" votes - Racist, Rapture, and Retard. The Dems would get everyone else, pulling off a landslide that will make this one look modest by comparison.

(Apologies to all retarded people for comparing them to Republicans)
 
  by: Mister crank     11/09/2008 07:31 PM     
  @cray0la  
 
If you don't see any achievements, it's because you are not looking.

He graduated from Harvard Law School with an advanced degree; a JD. Oh and he graduated Magna Cum Laude. I'm guessing that's not easy to do.

He became the first ever black man to become editor of the Harvard Law Review. A prestigious position that is only awarded to the cream of the crop.

By contrast McCain finished in the bottom 0.5% of his graduating class, and then went into the military and crashed FIVE different planes. Not a good track record for a pilot.

Palin attended FOUR different colleges, and eventually scraped together enough credits for a basic degree in communications. Which she then used to be a sports reporter at a local news station.

Notice the contrast here?

He then taught law for 12 years, being considered a lecturer and then senior lecturer. During that time he also became involved in a bunch of grass roots organizations that he ran. Including one group called Project Vote. With a team of 10 staff and 700 volunteers, they managed to register 150,000 African American voters.

He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997-2004. And since 2004 in the US Senate.

In other words, he turned his back on what could have been a highly lucrative career as a lawyer, to be a public servant.

He's had a very impressive life. No he didn't cure cancer, or fly to the moon. But what achievement was it that you wanted to see exactly?

You are looking at a highly intelligent man, who has already achieved some remarkable things in his life, including being elected as the first black President.

But it really doesn't matter what I say. You've made your closed minded attitude abundantly clear. You probably just drink in that racist partisan crap they spew on talk radio, and continue to hate for no real reason.

There is no sensible basis on which you could argue that the McCain / Palin ticket was the best choice for this country.
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 07:52 PM     
  @cray0la  
 
Obama had more money because people who believed in him gave him money. People like me. I've never donated to a political campaign in my life, but I did this time for the first time.

Obama used his skills as a community organizer to build one of the most impressive campaigns in recent history. It was almost flawless. Like him or not, you have to acknowledge the major ass kicking he gave McCain. He didn't even fall foul of the Bradley effect.

McCain was never really able to get any kind of traction going, and so simply slipped into negative attacks, smears and lies.
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 07:56 PM     
  @ ZCT  
 
You are absolutely correct. Never have I witnessed such a successful campaign start with essentially little money and few sponsors. I was fortunate enough to see him three days before the election at a rally and was in awe at the droves of people supporting him.
 
  by: HeadlineNews     11/09/2008 08:01 PM     
  @HeadlineNews  
 
He campaigned an hour from my home, and I missed it. But my wife got to see him in the week before the election in northern Virginia (you know the bit of Virginia where the evil ones hang out). She thought it was great.

I had to make do with TV.
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 08:17 PM     
  @Cray0la  
 
You're a racist piece of shit, you know that? And I'm sorry for saying that, normally I'm a kind and gentle human being but your racist rant against Peggy Joseph shows you what kind of being (Again, you are not a human, you lost the right to call yourself that long ago) you are. You are SUCH a racist piece of trash, you love to think of black people getting 'handouts' don't you? Peggy Joseph did NOT say I "no longer have to pay" and you'd know that if you actually LISTENED TO THE DAMN AUDIO.

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO? DID YOU? Did you even listen to what she said????

You assert she said:

"I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY, I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY, I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY."

How about you actually try watching the video and listen to what she says you RACIST piece of trash.

http://www.youtube.com/...


She doesn't say what your RACIST, warped mind convinced you she said. She says the following:


"It was the most memorable time of my life. It was a touching moment, because I never thought this day would ever happen. I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car, I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage."

Yeah, read that again.

Next time before you go accusing someone of wanting "handouts" how about you actually go watch the video and LISTEN TO THE AUDIO rather than getting your reichwing talking points from stormwatch.org you gutter slime.
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/09/2008 09:51 PM     
  @Cray0la  
 
Do you sweat LSD Cray0la? I’ve known a lot of rightwing loonies in my day but you take the cake, I’ve never seen a person with such a warped mind before. Every time I read one of your responses, I think to myself “this guy has to be a troll” yet I know that’s not it. I know you’re not a troll. It’s just that you can’t comprehend the simplest of reasoning or facts.

Samuel J. Wurzelbacher was “destroyed” when he was called out by JOHN MCCAIN 21 times during the second debate. JOHN MCCAIN invoked Sam’s moniker over and over and over again. It was like waving a t-bone steak in front of a starving rottweiler, of course the media is going to pounce over someone who JOHN MCCAIN mentioned 21 times during the second debate. JOHN MCCAIN chose to make Sam part of his platform.

That’s not to say JOHN MCCAIN is to blame for Sam’s “destruction”, oh no, Sam could have told the media during his first interview that he didn’t appreciate being turned into a political joke by JOHN MCCAIN and SARAH PALIN who invoked his name at virtually every rally. Instead, he joined their campaign, traveling with them, stumping for them. Sam’s choice to become a political figure was his own, with a helpful push from the JOHN MCCAIN campaign.

Samuel J. Wurzelbacher could have, like I previously stated, chosen to use his newfound fame and gracefully sailed into the sunset, eventually buying a plumber business (hopefully he’ll get his license by that point) and living a decent life. That’s not what Sam decided to do though, now is it? Sam decided to do interview after interview with the media in which he proved again and again to be an idiot, laying baseless claims against Barack Obama. Sam became the instrument of his own destruction.

Ah yes, what’s that Republican mantra, one has to take responsibility for their own actions? That’s what Sam has to do now, take responsibility for his actions which has made a mockery of himself and in part the Republican party itself.


Incendiary figures such as Sam only gave credence to Obama’s platform of change, raising Obama’s sails higher while the McCain ship sunk. Sam’s non-stop rants against imaginary socialism, communism and marxism merely made Obama grow stronger in the polls – Independents didn’t want to hear such trash coming from a guy who didn’t pay his taxes and isn’t even a licensed plumber.
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/09/2008 10:26 PM     
  must be joking  
 
That bimbo is the main reason I chose NOT to support McCain!
Not that I like Obama any better mind you. I have not seen a decent candidate since I have been able to vote.
Just once I would like to see a level-headed moderate candidate from either party.
 
  by: pariahpoet   11/09/2008 11:42 PM     
  @vash_the_stampede  
 
All good points Vash. But it's more than that I think. The exploitation of 'Joe' the 'Plumber' was the most pathetic argument of the whole campaign.

Republicans, who've just been in office for eight years, trying to claim that they are the party of the average working American. In what universe?

Even Sam admitted that he didn't even come close to making a six figure income. His entire selfish stance was IF he gets a license and IF he can raise the capital needed to buy the business, then IF that business did over $250,000, he didn't want to pay extra tax.

The guy has been in the plumbing business 10 years, and has not yet bothered to get licensed. What makes him think he is going to leap into action and raise the capital needed to own a business like that?

Apparently he doesn't like paying tax at all, since he hasn't even paid all his taxes under the Bush Republican tax plan, to the point that the government has a tax lien on his home.

Making Sam a central part of McCain's campaign was a cynical ploy from and out of touch old millionaire to appeal the the middle classes who Republicans have been raping for years.

McCain can only pretend to identify with the 'little people.' Obama has demonstrated throughout his career that he would rather help people, than pursue money. With a Harvard Law degree he could have landed some astonishingly highly paid jobs. But he has chosen to make a career of fighting for ordinary Americans. That's what makes this guy extraordinary, and that's part of why he won.
 
  by: ZCT     11/09/2008 11:55 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
For years, the GOP thought its socially conservative planks were enough for the middle class and poor, and maybe they were. But when the economy tanked and the only guy talking about fixing it was a Democrat, the middle class and poor quickly realized who's actually working for them.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     11/10/2008 05:09 AM     
  vash_the_stampede  
 
I've gained a whole new respect for you! The way you laid out crayola. That's the most I have seen him respond and probably more than what I wanted to know about his thought process or lack of one. All I can say is "You Da' Man!" you nailed it! Good job. Let me know the next time you're in NC. I want to buy you a beer.

Just out of curiosity, I seem to remember all the other polls before the election stating that Palin was a drag on the republican ticket and only about 29% of republicans saw her as favorable. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
  by: gws1968     11/10/2008 08:37 AM     
  It would have been a lot more help  
 
if McNuthin' wasn't on it in the first place.
 
  by: LeePIII   11/10/2008 10:37 PM     
  @VASH  
 
You? A centrist? Yeah, right. Somewhere between Stalin and Lenin, maybe.

 
  by: LeePIII   11/10/2008 10:40 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
By your standard, then, there is NO WAY Obama is qualified to do anything in government.
 
  by: LeePIII   11/10/2008 10:43 PM     
  @CrayOla  
 
OOOoooohhhhhh

Now you've done it! You've gone and made Vash the Gash and Havoc mad! MAD! You better watch out! Killer gonna get YOU!

With any luck, the men in white coats from the asylum will be there soon, and they can go and be with Mrs. Robinson.

Really, there is hardly any point in arguing with those booger-eating morons. It's like trying to teach a pig (or a monkey) to sing. It is a waste of time, and it annoys the pig (or monkey). In the case of monkeys, then they start to throw sh*t all over the place. Fortunately, these two eat almost as much as they can throw.
 
  by: LeePIII   11/10/2008 10:49 PM     
  @LeePIII  
 
Yes, I'm a libertarian centrist. I want the government for the most part out of my life and I want the right to own guns (within reason). I believe that state rights should ultimately prevail when not dealing with civil-rights issues such as right to vote, marriage, etc. I share ideals of both the democrat and republican party.

I first registered as a republican, quickly realized that they were *not* the party for me and registered democrat. After realizing they too had their share of flaws I was disenfranchised by both and realized that neither were for me. I found that the center was far more suited for me and candidates like Ron Paul are the ones that closest represent my values.
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     11/11/2008 01:01 AM     
  In response to mr crank "I'd love to see Palin run  
 
Mr crank


In response to Mr Crank,
a name he aptly chose for himself.

Just 2 questions:

1 Do you have any children,
or any possibility of having any in the future?

2. Do you have any grandchildren,
or any possibility of having any in the future?

A saying we all know too well:
"He who laughs last, laughs best"


P.S. DO not even bother to reply.
I will not be wasting my time reading your trash.
Just bear these 2 questions in mind.


Mrs Penetrating alias Mrs Insightful
 
  by: June   11/26/2008 04:28 AM     
 
 
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