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11/30/2008 05:39 AM ID: 75184 Permalink   

Teen Gets 15 Years for Anal Rape of 10-year-old Girl

 

Lamonte Corey, 16, of Norwalk, CT, who pleaded guilty in August to anally raping a 10-year-old girl, has been handed down a sentence of 15 years of incarceration. The victim's family agreed with the punishment.

As part of the plea agreement, Corey will serve 10 years of his sentence and be placed on parole for 35 years. In addition, he will be forced to register as a sex offender, provide DNA samples and receive treatment for sex offenders as well.

Corey was 15 at the time of the offense. According to the victim, she was helping Corey's cousin move when Corey bent her over the bathtub and anally raped her. DNA samples from the rape kit swab were consistent with that of the offender.

 
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  I would love....  
 
to mince that brats sausage and then make him eat it all up.
 
  by: captainJane     11/30/2008 05:43 AM     
  @JANE  
 
can't agree with you more hopefully he's gonna receive 15 years of anal rape in the lovely prisons of CT
 
  by: Devil Duck     11/30/2008 06:56 AM     
  Nothing more than he deserves  
 
Im sure he will get some anal in prison...
 
  by: Eidron   11/30/2008 01:23 PM     
  Not  
 
to belittle the issue here. But HeadlineNews has written in the past week 3 articles that involve anal sex 2 about rape 1 about it being on the rise among teens.

I think someone has a bit of a fascination with anal.

j/k
 
  by: the mobile kid   11/30/2008 02:29 PM     
  @ the mobile kid  
 
When I run across those types of stories, I use them because they get a lot of hits. The stranger the better it seems.
 
  by: HeadlineNews     11/30/2008 03:18 PM     
  @HeadlineNews  
 
That does make perfect sense to me.
 
  by: the mobile kid   11/30/2008 03:34 PM     
  Of course it's terrible.  
 
And I wouldn't wish that to happen to another human being but that is one hell of a sentence. The lad is going to come out of the clink even worse than when he went in. At his age, counseling would be more appropriate than 15 years up the river. And it would weigh less heavily on taxpayer wallets.
 
  by: garcon   11/30/2008 07:48 PM     
  @ HeadlineNews  
 
Maybe you are depressed? :P ;0)

Oh no, that would be me if I wrote it. Lol.

 
  by: captainJane     11/30/2008 08:13 PM     
  @captainJane  
 
HeadlineNews's response is what one would expect from an individual who is not emotionally attached to the story. Notice how he didn't bite the head off the mobile kid? He's probably not holding a grudge either!

@HeadlineNews: Sorry about the completely off topic post. But I figured if I didn't say something, captainJane might never shut up about it.
 
  by: opinionated   11/30/2008 09:34 PM     
  opinionated  
 
captainJane shakes her head , can you believe this drip that does not know when to drop...

I am not in the slightest bit interested in what you have to say, so please do not assume you know my every thought. You have enough problems with your own head, proof right here for even directing that comment at me!

"Sorry about the completely off topic post".

Why say sorry I get an English lesson and a load of boring preaching off you, completely losing the subject in some my posts, what’s up, don't you pick on the big boys?
I get it; you just like to annoy the women. If you have mummy issues may I remind you I am not your mother, I kick twit like you between the legs not buy them sweeties when they have their girlie hissy fits.

Oh well @ Headlines, more points for you kind sir. ;)

Boy don’t those natives get angry. :P
 
  by: captainJane     11/30/2008 10:00 PM     
  @p'tit gar  
 
I, hate to admit, but you are right on this one. 15 years!!

The adage, 10 will get you fifteen is for real in this case, however, 15 to a Sixteen years old is just way too much.
 
  by: isuzu     11/30/2008 10:01 PM     
  @  
 
'15 to a Sixteen years old is just way too much.'

not to be picky, but if you think 15 years for a sixteen year old is too much, what do you think about someone raping a ten year old? you almost seem complacent about it, with remarks like that.
 
  by: elijah4twenty     11/30/2008 10:18 PM     
  She probably seduced him  
 
with her hot Spongebob squarepants t-shirt and matching socks combo, ya know.
 
  by: HeadlineNews     12/01/2008 01:45 AM     
  I've never heard...  
 
...anyone give such details in a case like this. The word "rape" would be enough detail, but as I've noticed this isn't the first story you have published on SN with "anal rape" somewhere in the content.

Keep up the tasteless work.
 
  by: kuhl   12/01/2008 03:42 AM     
  Sex Sells  
 
Sex Sells,but Anal Sex sells harder.
 
  by: kmazzawi     12/01/2008 05:02 AM     
  @ kmazzawi  
 
Exactly. Tasteless stories get many hits.
 
  by: HeadlineNews     12/01/2008 05:07 AM     
  Harsh  
 
I'm sure I'll invoke a bunch of hate response to this, but I think the sentence is too harsh.

First off, we are talking about a child of 15, who raped another child. Sure that's horrible, blah blah, but the punishment is that this child who is now 16 will have their life destroyed.

They will serve 10 years in prison. At the age of 25 they will be released, with 35 years of parole, registered as a sex offender, and be in possession of a criminal record.

This person will not be able to function as a normal citizen for the rest of their life. No decent job, no opportunities, nothing. Their entire life ruined for the stupid actions of single act of stupidity that happened when they were a child.

I get that this 15 year old child did a very bad thing. I'm sure the victim will suffer a lot because of what he did. But I have a hard time with the court system prosecuting children as if they were adults. And while rape is never okay, is a 50 year punishment really appropriate here? Will the severity of the sentence together with the massive resources (tax dollars) spent on carrying out this sentence deter other similar crimes? Will society be safer because of the way we have treated this child?

I think too often the American legal system likes to invoke an eye for an eye mentality, which is perhaps why we lead the world in jailing our citizens. Yet despite the massive rate of incarceration in this country, we still have a higher rate of violent crime than many other countries that are far more liberal in their approach.
 
  by: ZCT     12/03/2008 09:08 AM     
  15 years ain't long enough  
 
Life would be better. Hopefully, he will be Bubba's roommate.....his bitch... and then maybe he will get a little of his on his own. I wonder how he will like it?
 
  by: LeePIII   12/04/2008 11:16 PM     
  @LeePIII  
 
Yes why don't we start stoning children to death when they commit crimes too. That will make our society better.
 
  by: ZCT     12/04/2008 11:19 PM     
  @Elijah  
 
I am glad I read other posts, before answering yours.

I think ZCT summed it up pretty well, and if he doesn't mind! Pls read his first post, he explained it well.

Psst: Oh yea by the way, no one is condoning rape, just that, the sentence is too much for a 15 years old to serve 16.
 
  by: isuzu     12/04/2008 11:54 PM     
  Fair punishment, though some of you are weird  
 
He'll be out by 25. He will still have a life, thought a difficult one. I think its a fair punishment.
However those of you that are cheering for him getting raped in prison are a bit screwed in the head in my opinion.

How do you both condemn and condone rape simultaneously?
 
  by: pheeel17   12/05/2008 12:39 AM     
  @Pheel  
 
I guess you joined just to make this comment right?
"How do you both condemn and condone rape simultaneously?"

While, clearly it says "Psst: Oh yea by the way, no one is condoning rape, just that, the sentence is too much for a 15 years old to serve 16." in my post, and ZCT also said.

"I get that this 15 year old child did a very bad thing. I'm sure the victim will suffer a lot because of what he did. But I have a hard time with the court system prosecuting children as if they were adults." What part of this is condoning RAPE?
 
  by: isuzu     12/05/2008 05:25 PM     
  @isuzu  
 
Sorry to interject, I think pheeel17 was referring to other comments/commentors in this thread who seem to be okay with the kid being raped in prison. Please see comments 2 and 3 of this thread for examples.
 
  by: calilac     12/05/2008 05:58 PM     
  Simple MInds  
 
Simple minds and a passion for revenge
In 16 years this kid will get out
With a mind full of hate, and no means of support. He'll be hounded picked on and laughed at. And with no money, he'll know only one way of life. So when he kills and steals with no remorse or feeling. Just pray it isnt your family, but remember people like you locked him up and made him what he will be.
It wont be pretty

And before you all complain
Think about any time you were ever pulled over, or had a run in with the law. When I do, I remember the cops that treated me with respect, and the ones that treated me like dirt
The ones that treated good but fair, made me want to try harder to be better.
The ones that treated me like dirt, made me want to fight back, and break the law
Thank god for people that try to help and forgive. To hell with all you throw away the key aholes, you deserve the crime and pain in this world
 
  by: robertobar   12/06/2008 07:16 AM     
  @robertobar  
 
I get the impression you don't have a daughter.

Anyway, you were pretty presumptuous in your post and I felt it deserved a response. For me it is less about revenge although admittedly it is a factor, and more about justice. I would only feel the need for revenge if it was my child.

Views differ significantly on what justice would entail. I in fact agree with you and feel he would come out a prison a hardened criminal. You feel he should be rehabilitated and helped. I feel he does not deserve that and in fact is not worth it.

You must understand, I do have a colder heart to these types than you. This is a world where millions of children around the world that are starving and the billions more that have never done anything wrong are suffering. What is it now, 1 child dies every 3 seconds from poverty? How are those people less valuable than this 16yr old scumbag who will probably do something like this again no matter how much “help” you gave him? Why are you not waving you pity flag for them instead?

It is simple math. You could literally save the lives of tens or hundreds of innocent children, feed them, treat them and educate them for the same cost as helping this 16yr old. Yet people like you push for our money to go to helping them and years later we find them raping some other child. I am not sure how much you know about psychology or criminal behavior but from my limited exposure it appears the rate repeat sexual assault on young girls is very high, even later in life. We could argue back and forth but in essence I wanted to let you know you I disagreed with you post and felt it was in fact a bit “simple minded”.
 
  by: yourown   12/06/2008 08:10 AM     
  @robertobar  
 
That's one of the most intelligent posts I've seen on here in a long time.
 
  by: ZCT     12/06/2008 08:35 AM     
  @yourown 1/2  
 
“I get the impression you don't have a daughter.”

- That just isn’t even an argument. It’s like saying you can’t understand racism unless you are black. Or you can’t have an opinion about abortion, unless you’ve had one.

“Views differ significantly on what justice would entail. I in fact agree with you and feel he would come out a prison a hardened criminal. You feel he should be rehabilitated and helped. I feel he does not deserve that and in fact is not worth it.”

- So this child, who was just 15 years old when he committed his crime, deserves what exactly? Death?

“You must understand, I do have a colder heart to these types than you.”

- Clearly.

“This is a world where millions of children around the world that are starving and the billions more that have never done anything wrong are suffering. What is it now, 1 child dies every 3 seconds from poverty?”

- Indeed, it is a sick world. Does this mean we need to lower the standards of our criminal justice system? Even if we take this convicted rapist child and shoot him in the head tomorrow, it isn’t going to change the reality of poverty in the world.

“How are those people less valuable than this 16yr old scumbag who will probably do something like this again no matter how much “help” you gave him? Why are you not waving you pity flag for them instead?”

- I don’t think anyone is waving a pity flag. What robertobar was talking about is the reality that if we don’t take steps to rehabilitate this criminal, once he is released he will be a danger to society. What if it were your daughter that he rapes or kills after his release? We either rehabilitate criminals, or we lock them up and throw away the key (or kill them). If we use a punitive negative approach we are simply breeding hardened criminals who will eventually create more victims once we let them out. This is why the whole right wing approach to criminal justice doesn’t work.

“It is simple math. You could literally save the lives of tens or hundreds of innocent children, feed them, treat them and educate them for the same cost as helping this 16yr old.”

- Nice try. Why don’t you try to claim your argument is common sense too? Or maybe talk about Hitler, Nazis and a slippery slope. Or maybe you could actually put some real thought into what you are saying?

The reality is it doesn’t matter if we jail this boy for the rest of his life, kill him, or release him tomorrow, the social injustice of the world will continue. The starving will continue to starve. America’s infant mortality rate will still suck. Children will still die for a lack of medicine, clean water or food. Your attempt to link problems of world poverty with the inadequacies of American criminal justice makes no sense.
 
  by: ZCT     12/06/2008 08:57 AM     
  @yourown 2/2  
 
“Yet people like you push for our money to go to helping them and years later we find them raping some other child.”

- So what is your solution? Life imprisonment for this child, or the death penalty? Because it sounds like you are arguing for no kind of rehabilitation which clearly is not a strategy that has ever been proven to work.

“I am not sure how much you know about psychology or criminal behavior but from my limited exposure it appears the rate repeat sexual assault on young girls is very high, even later in life.”

- It is very clear that he knows a lot more about it than you. You seem to be confusing the concept of pedophiles with what happened here. In this case an obviously troubled child raped another child. This does not make him a pedophile. Who knows what he is. I doubt anyone here on ShortNews has the credentials or evidence to categorize this criminal.

“We could argue back and forth but in essence I wanted to let you know you I disagreed with you post and felt it was in fact a bit “simple minded”.”

- I have to say, the only simple minded post in this exchange has been yours. You have made a bunch of very obvious talking points with a right wing bias. You have made no real suggestions or solutions here. All you appear to be arguing for is punishment, revenge and other right wing ideals that have not been shown to work.

Perhaps you’d take the time to clarify what should happen here in this case. Because it is hard to have a discussion, when you have not identified what you are recommending for this child.
 
  by: ZCT     12/06/2008 08:57 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
Wow, well I do appreciate the time you took for your response. I don't have time to respond to all your talking points but yes, I recommend death for the kid. No, I don't really care about his excuses or problems.

If you can't understand how someone with a child may have a slightly different perspective on child rape than one without I don't know what to say. Talk to someone with kids and ask them if their views changed at all. I know quite a few parents and not one of them would deny that.

I'm sorry but you are wrong about the psychology. Behavior like that is pretty indicative of how a person will be when they are older. Just like the children that torture animals for fun turn towards humans later. Early childhood development is something I do have some exposure to and I have a degree in psych (ok, a minor) so although I may not be an expert, I do know that children like that often grow into adults like that.

Finally, yes, it is a pity flag. When someone says we should "help" this kid it sickens me. We should publicly hang him. I'm sorry if my views offend you but I have nothing to be afraid of as I would not do something like this kid did. Yes, if my child did something like this they should hang them as well. I would not be asking you to "help" him.

I'm not sure what you meant when you said, "Nice try. Why don’t you try to claim your argument is common sense too? Or maybe talk about Hitler, Nazis and a slippery slope. Or maybe you could actually put some real thought into what you are saying?" Can you really not grasp that there are limited resources and the cost of "helping" or rehabilitating this child would be extensive? Do you not get that the money could actually help people that have not and will never do something like that? What is so unclear?

Well, let me make this part clear to you. I think this kid (if you can call a 16yr old that) should die. Hang him, shoot him, whatever. Not out of revenge but out of fairness to the rest of the people who never have and never would do such a thing. If you disagree fine, but please do not try and paint me as some right wing psychopath. I have been a liberal my whole life but when it comes to people that commit atrocities, I say let's get rid of them. Since you brought him up, would you have suggested we "help" Hitler or Bin Laden? I am sure they have had troubled childhoods as well. Or wait, only help them if they raped a pre-teen as a teen? I disagree with you and rob, nothing more. I would be happy to throw out some rude or critical statement if that helps in the discourse but overall the reason I responded to rob was I thought there was an air of conceit that you echo. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are right wing unfeeling monsters. I honestly feel the people with your and robs view defend the monsters. Well, that is my short response. Enough I am sure for you to quote and insult.



 
  by: yourown   12/09/2008 11:26 PM     
  @yourown  
 
"If you can't understand how someone with a child may have a slightly different perspective on child rape than one without I don't know what to say. Talk to someone with kids and ask them if their views changed at all. I know quite a few parents and not one of them would deny that."

I am a parent with 3 boys and a girl. Wanna ask me? If you say yes! Read my posts.

If you also want to know why I arrived at that stance! It is because I am a parent and for once I try to put on some other parents shoes.

Will I forgive the perp who would do that to my child? If the boy is 15, I would honestly ask the Crown to rehabilitate him, instead of your ways of an eye for a head attitude.

 
  by: isuzu     12/10/2008 01:00 AM     
  @yourown 1/4  
 
“Wow, well I do appreciate the time you took for your response.”

- You’re welcome. If I can help just one person understand the error of their ways, it is worth my time and effort.

“If you can't understand how someone with a child may have a slightly different perspective on child rape than one without I don't know what to say. Talk to someone with kids and ask them if their views changed at all. I know quite a few parents and not one of them would deny that.”

- The fact that you know some right wing hang ‘em flog ‘em parents has really nothing to do with this case or reality. People often tend to surround themselves with people who think like themselves. Just like right wingers watch Fox News.

“I'm sorry but you are wrong about the psychology. Behavior like that is pretty indicative of how a person will be when they are older. Just like the children that torture animals for fun turn towards humans later. Early childhood development is something I do have some exposure to and I have a degree in psych (ok, a minor) so although I may not be an expert, I do know that children like that often grow into adults like that.”

- I have discussed this topic at length with my wife, who is a doctoral candidate in this field (ABD), and I can’t say I agree with you, despite my not personally having a minor in psychology.

What you appear to be arguing is that if a child displays antisocial behavior as a child, they are destined to be evil as adults. That just isn’t true.

It’s like saying that if a teen is caught shop lifting they are destined to be a career criminal, a lifelong thief. Or if a teenage cuts, they are likely to self harm or self injure as adults.

But based on your logic, if a child ever commits a crime, we should just assume that they will go on to commit the same crime (or more serious version of that crime) as an adult. Then we should treat them as harshly as if they had already reached adulthood and committed these hypothetical future crimes.

“When someone says we should "help" this kid it sickens me.”

- That’s because you have not yet reached the stage of understanding how criminal justice works. You seem to favor punitive Middle East style punishment.

“We should publicly hang him.”

- Aw no stoning? You wuss.

Seriously though, that comment makes you a moron. Sorry if that view offends you, but find me a society on this planet that routinely publically executes children of say 15 (this kid was 15 when he committed his crime). And tell me you’d rather live there than here.

Because you see, there is not a single society on the planet that executes children, and is simultaneously a nice place to live. Even here in the US, one of the last proponents of capital punishment in the west, we at least have the decency to wait until our teen criminals reach adulthood before we give them a lethal injection. Whereas public hanging in the street, that’s the kind of thing you might see in Iran or Pakistan. Is that the model you think we should follow?
 
  by: ZCT     12/10/2008 03:23 AM     
  @yourown 2/4  
 
“I'm sorry if my views offend you but I have nothing to be afraid of as I would not do something like this kid did.”

- Views don’t offend me. Stupid opinions, I simply find a bit irritating.

“ Yes, if my child did something like this they should hang them as well. I would not be asking you to "help" him.”

- Tell me, what kind of society would we be if we carried out your plan of hanging children in the streets? What kind of adults would travel to witness such a spectacle? What message would it be sending?

Can you find me a study or two that provides any evidence at all that such behavior would have a positive effect on our society?

“Can you really not grasp that there are limited resources and the cost of "helping" or rehabilitating this child would be extensive?”

- It is also expensive to educate kids too. So why not just close the school system and poor kids can just be home schooled where they can learn just enough to perform manual labor? After all poor kids are far more likely to commit violent crime anyway.

“Do you not get that the money could actually help people that have not and will never do something like that? What is so unclear?”

- Let me try and explain it to you. Thankfully people with a crazy view of criminal justice, like yourself, will never be in the majority in this country. So we are never going to have public floggings, public hangings or execution of children in the street, despite your unhealthy enthusiasm for such events.

What we are in fact going to do with this kid is throw them in jail for many years, and eventually throw them out of jail and back onto the streets. Here in America we spend very little time or effort trying to make sure that the ex-con does not reoffend, and is able to reintegrate into society.

So as a society we have a choice. We can either put in the effort to help young criminals, or we do nothing, and in a few years when we churn them back out into society, we can’t really act all that surprised when they re-offend.

You love bringing your kids into this, as if being a parent makes you more qualified to discuss this. What if your child is the victim of crime once we release a criminal back into the streets? How would you feel then?

So either we help our criminals, or we simply kill them all so they can never hurt anyone again. The latter is overly simplistic and is never going to happen, so the sensible thing to do is to take steps to prevent re-offending through proper rehabilitation. If you study some of the liberal left wing countries like those in Scandinavia, you’ll see what to many Americans seem like very liberal policies, yet their reoffend rate is better than ours.
 
  by: ZCT     12/10/2008 03:23 AM     
  @yourown 3/4  
 
“Well, let me make this part clear to you. I think this kid (if you can call a 16yr old that) should die.”

- Well legally he is a child, and was a 15 year old child when he committed his crime. If you think 15 year olds are completely responsible for their actions, why not lower the drinking age, the driving age, the gambling age, and the voting age to 15?

As for killing him, you’ve already made your fetish for public execution and torture abundantly clear. What if I told you that people with a desire to see that kind of thing had a higher chance of being criminals because normal non-violent people don’t wish to see such a thing? Should we arrest you as a possible danger to society?

“Hang him, shoot him, whatever. Not out of revenge but out of fairness to the rest of the people who never have and never would do such a thing. If you disagree fine, but please do not try and paint me as some right wing psychopath.”

- It’s hard not to see it any other way. As I’ve already mentioned, this kind of justice doesn’t work, as evidenced by countries that do this kind of thing like Iran and Pakistan. And yeah it is a bit disturbing when someone gets so excited about public executions. Do you know how many times you have reiterated a desire to see this child put to death? It’s not healthy. It sounds like you would get a kick out of snuff movies.

“I have been a liberal my whole life but when it comes to people that commit atrocities, I say let's get rid of them. Since you brought him up, would you have suggested we "help" Hitler or Bin Laden?”

- I brought it up to highlight the stupidity of your opinion, that’s all. But Hitler is dead, so there is not a lot we can do to help him. But do I wish someone had paid more attention to him and helped him before he became the German leader and started his program of genocide? You betchya! Hitler is an example of what happens when we allow people to fall through the cracks, and exercise their crazy in public. Like you, he enjoyed a good old public execution.

“I am sure they have had troubled childhoods as well.”

- Indeed. And their actions later in life reflect what happens when you don’t try to help them.

“Or wait, only help them if they raped a pre-teen as a teen?”

- Did I ever say that?
 
  by: ZCT     12/10/2008 03:24 AM     
  @yourown 4/4  
 
“I honestly feel the people with your and robs view defend the monsters.”

- I merely want to ensure that these ‘monster’ children are less likely to pose a threat to society when they are released. Understand that we are not going to routinely kill children in the streets, as much as that appears to be a fantasy of yours. So given the reality that we will one day release them, we can choose to throw them in a nasty violent jail, and release them as hardened criminals, or we can try to integrate them back into society one day. Our choice in this matter will make the difference in the reoffend rate.

“Well, that is my short response. Enough I am sure for you to quote and insult.”

- Oh more than enough. You are too kind to provide such a child like logic for me to dissect. But personally, I’d have preferred the challenge of an intelligent, yet wrong, opinion. This one was just out and out stupid, ‘Let’s do things like they do in Iran, that will be great for America.’ Please. Surely you can do better than that nonsense?
 
  by: ZCT     12/10/2008 03:24 AM     
  @ZCT cont.  
 
Again I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

I respectfully disagree with all of your assertions and feel you are truly naive. Our life experiences probably have reinforced both our opinions but I don't feel the need to insult your as an idiot. THAT is right-wing nonsense.

My original post was purely in response to someone such as yourself that feels that anyone that would want this 15yr old to be accountable for his crime is a simple minded idiot. I'm sorry, in all your ranting did I miss your great "solution". No, you just insulted mine?

Hmm, you can call me all the names you like and try to insult me but honestly it just convinces me more that I am right and you are just foaming at the mouth because someone disagrees with you. Again, sounds pretty right-wing to me.

The country I live in let's off drug dealers, rapists and murderers after a few years. I am not sure what country you live in but our justice system is broken and not much of a deterrent for the people that commit the harshest crimes.

Your simplistic assertion that I would want any child to have harsh punishment for any crime is ridiculous. I consider rape and murder to be crimes that are not equitable with thievery, vandalism or other offenses.

Anyway, it is obvious to me you will continue to make insulting comparisons and pursue some caricature of reality that suits your argument. That does not make you correct or intelligent but instead someone who can only degrade the opinion of others to make their point.

For the record:
1. I said the offender should die and mentioned hanging or shooting as a method. The obsession with public execution was yours and yours alone. I did say we should publicly hang them as one method. You dedicated a lot of your response this. I could care less how the execution would take place or if it was made public. That is and was entirely your fetish.
2. The offender I was referring to was a child rapist. Not some kid that stole a candy bar. You seem to think these crimes are on par. They are not.
3. Displaying anti-social behavior is not something that I consider equivalent to murder and/or rape and never implied as much. Again, that was all you.

You did a great job painting a pretty colorful picture but you are responding to other conversations or statements, not mine. Your ridiculous implications and straw man arguments did nothing for me except highlight your ignorance of other people's views.
Last thing, I "love bringing my kids into this" because before having kids I had a similar view to yours. I felt we should try and rehabilitate people and especially catch them at a young age so we could help them to reintegrate into society once they were ready. Now I hear all the time about the kids like this and I honestly care more about the safety of my children than the rehabilitation of someone that commits this type of crime.

Last thing, I "love bringing my kids into this" because before having kids I had a similar view to yours. I felt we should try and rehabilitate people and especially catch them at a young age so we could help them to reintegrate into society once they were ready. Now I hear all the time about the kids like this and I honestly care more about the safety of my children than the rehabilitation of someone that commits this type of crime.

I often hear the message that it is not the fault or problem of the offender. It was his parents or society that made them that way. I don't know if it is true or not but I do know the boy did it and knew exactly what he was doing.

 
  by: yourown   12/13/2008 12:23 AM     
  @ZCT cont. 2  
 
“You’re welcome. If I can help just one person understand the error of their ways, it is worth my time and effort.”
-What a waste of both our time.

“The fact that you know some right wing hang ‘em flog ‘em parents has really nothing to do with this case or reality. People often tend to surround themselves with people who think like themselves. Just like right wingers watch Fox News.”
-I do not associate with any right wingers and I listen to NPR and the BBC for my news. The only fact here is you made an ignorant assumption.

“I have discussed this topic at length with my wife, who is a doctoral candidate in this field (ABD), and I can’t say I agree with you, despite my not personally having a minor in psychology.”
-Fair enough, I stated I had a minor as a way of letting you know I am not an expert in this field.

“What you appear to be arguing is that if a child displays antisocial behavior as a child, they are destined to be evil as adults. That just isn’t true.”
-What a ridiculous statement. I never implied as much unless displaying antisocial behavior is limited to rape and murder.

“It’s like saying that if a teen is caught shop lifting they are destined to be a career criminal, a lifelong thief. Or if a teenage cuts, they are likely to self harm or self injure as adults.”
-No, it is like talking about a 15yr old that raped a pre-teen. Where do you come up with these analogies? Please, back to reality and the case at hand.

“But based on your logic, if a child ever commits a crime, we should just assume that they will go on to commit the same crime (or more serious version of that crime) as an adult. Then we should treat them as harshly as if they had already reached adulthood and committed these hypothetical future crimes.”
-Yes and no. In the case of murder or rape I feel they should be treated as harshly as an adult. If someone is caught stealing or smoking pot I would not advocate treating them as adults. You seem to mix this up a lot.

“That’s because you have not yet reached the stage of understanding how criminal justice works. You seem to favor punitive Middle East style punishment.”
-For rape and murder yes, I do. My understanding of our flawed criminal justice system is actually pretty good.

“Aw no stoning? You wuss.”
-Sure, let the kid decide how he wants to die. Drug overdose for all I care. I am not obsessed with how, that is your thing.

“Seriously though, that comment makes you a moron. Sorry if that view offends you, but find me a society on this planet that routinely publically executes children of say 15 (this kid was 15 when he committed his crime). And tell me you’d rather live there than here.”
- There does seem to be a few countries that consider people to be adults at 15yrs old. In some parts of America marriage can still take place at this age. Please, you would have to be a moron to not want to live in a country that has no rape or murder.

“Views don’t offend me. Stupid opinions, I simply find a bit irritating.”
-Likewise.

“Tell me, what kind of society would we be if we carried out your plan of hanging children in the streets? What kind of adults would travel to witness such a spectacle? What message would it be sending?”
-Again, your obsession public execution. I mentioned public hanging as one option but thought I was clear I don’t care about the method. Let the offender choose for all I care. You have a very active and pretty sick imagination.
 
  by: yourown   12/13/2008 12:33 AM     
  @ZCT cont. 3 (final)  
 
“Can you find me a study or two that provides any evidence at all that such behavior would have a positive effect on our society?”
-No. I know I will not influence your opinion so won’t waste my time. Besides, this was built off your fantasy obsession with public executions.

“It is also expensive to educate kids too. So why not just close the school system and poor kids can just be home schooled where they can learn just enough to perform manual labor? After all poor kids are far more likely to commit violent crime anyway.”
-Again, ridiculous comparison. How do you make these outrageous implications? Do you seriously think that is what I was implying or was it a weak straw man?

“Let me try and explain it to you. Thankfully people with a crazy view of criminal justice, like yourself, will never be in the majority in this country. So we are never going to have public floggings, public hangings or execution of children in the street, despite your unhealthy enthusiasm for such events.”
-You really are obsessed with this concept.

“What we are in fact going to do with this kid is throw them in jail for many years, and eventually throw them out of jail and back onto the streets. Here in America we spend very little time or effort trying to make sure that the ex-con does not reoffend, and is able to reintegrate into society.

So as a society we have a choice. We can either put in the effort to help young criminals, or we do nothing, and in a few years when we churn them back out into society, we can’t really act all that surprised when they re-offend.”
-Again, you imply you feel rape and murder is on par with minor drug offenses, petty theft, etc. It is not in my mind. I am all for helping the other people.

You love bringing your kids into this, as if being a parent makes you more qualified to discuss this. What if your child is the victim of crime once we release a criminal back into the streets? How would you feel then?
-This is just dumb. Are you implying I think the current system works? Really???

“So either we help our criminals, or we simply kill them all so they can never hurt anyone again. The latter is overly simplistic and is never going to happen, so the sensible thing to do is to take steps to prevent re-offending through proper rehabilitation. If you study some of the liberal left wing countries like those in Scandinavia, you’ll see what to many Americans seem like very liberal policies, yet their reoffend rate is better than ours.”
-That is a valid point but America is not Scandinavia. There is required military service and conscription system is still retained. There are a lot of other differences that make those societies what they are. I need to point out again though that you lump all criminal activity together while I feel rape and murder are special cases.

“Well legally he is a child, and was a 15 year old child when he committed his crime. If you think 15 year olds are completely responsible for their actions, why not lower the drinking age, the driving age, the gambling age, and the voting age to 15?”
-Complete responsibility and being accountable for rape and/or murder are different. I am clearly stating for you that rape and murder are adult crimes and should be punished as such.

“As for killing him, you’ve already made your fetish for public execution and torture abundantly clear. What if I told you that people with a desire to see that kind of thing had a higher chance of being criminals because normal non-violent people don’t wish to see such a thing? Should we arrest you as a possible danger to society?”
-Your fetish, not mine. I am sure you have a mirror handy.

“It’s hard not to see it any other way. As I’ve already mentioned, this kind of justice doesn’t work, as evidenced by countries that do this kind of thing like Iran and Pakistan. And yeah it is a bit disturbing when someone gets so excited about public executions. Do you know how many times you have reiterated a desire to see this child put to death? It’s not healthy. It sounds like you would get a kick out of snuff movies.”
-Again, your fetish, not mine. This “justice system” has never been tried. Only extreme versions as you seem obsessed with. I never said we should chop off the hands of thieves or stone women that had an affair or other things associated with the cultures you mention. You tend to make arguments based off your own assumptions as opposed to what I stated.

“I brought it up to highlight the stupidity of your opinion, that’s all. But Hitler is dead, so there is not a lot we can do to help him. But do I wish someone had paid more attention to him and helped him before he became the German leader and started his program of genocide? You betchya! Hitler is an example of what happens when we allow people to fall through the cracks, and exercise their crazy in public. Like you, he enjoyed a good old public execution.”
-All of your arguments seem to be rooted in tr
 
  by: yourown   12/13/2008 12:41 AM     
  @yourownd 1/2  
 
“Again I appreciate you taking the time to respond.”

- Likewise. I will attempt to reply to much of what you said, but due to the limitations of the SN software, I may have to edit heavily, because I am not going to post an 8 page response. We are already up to 2242 words, and I’ve not even responded yet.

“I respectfully disagree with all of your assertions and feel you are truly naive.”

- Respectfully disagreeing would generally be respectful, not accompanied with an assertion that your opponent is naive.

“The country I live in let's off drug dealers, rapists and murderers after a few years. I am not sure what country you live in but our justice system is broken and not much of a deterrent for the people that commit the harshest crimes.”

- I don’t know what country you live in, but I currently live in America. We are number one in the world for jailing people, and do so in very harsh conditions. Yet amazingly crime still takes place.

If you think that a harsh punishment for rape would prevent a crazy little 15 year old child from doing what this one did, it is you who have no understanding of how criminal justice works.

There are countries around the world where you can get limbs cut off, get whipped or otherwise tortured for committing crime, and yet STILL crime takes place. There is no magic answer to this problem, other than teaching people respect for each other. Hanging children in the streets as you condone won’t fix anything, in fact quite the opposite, it will teach a lack of respect for human life.

“1. I said the offender should die and mentioned hanging or shooting as a method. The obsession with public execution was yours and yours alone. I did say we should publicly hang them as one method. You dedicated a lot of your response this. I could care less how the execution would take place or if it was made public. That is and was entirely your fetish.”

- Sorry but you are lying at this point. You were very specific that you wanted this child to be hanged in public. That’s just sick. There is not a single country in the world who does this kind of thing that could possibly be considered a nice progressive country that one would ordinarily choose to live in.

“2. The offender I was referring to was a child rapist. Not some kid that stole a candy bar. You seem to think these crimes are on par. They are not.”

- No shit. I’ve not met this child, nor have I read his psychological profile, and neither have you. But I see a massive difference between a misguided child trying something like this, and say a 30 year old man raping a 10 year old. Children do not yet have the good judgment that most adults enjoy, that is why as children we place many significant restrictions on them.

I don’t understand how someone claiming psychological credentials can argue that children think the same as adults.
 
  by: ZCT     12/13/2008 04:58 AM     
  @yourownd 2/2  
 
“I often hear the message that it is not the fault or problem of the offender. It was his parents or society that made them that way. I don't know if it is true or not but I do know the boy did it and knew exactly what he was doing.”

- Now I am really certain you were not paying attention in psych class. Who the hell are you to claim that you know that a 15 year old child you’ve never met ‘knew exactly what he was doing’ when committing this crime? Again children are CHILDREN, that’s why we don’t let them drive, vote, drink or own guns.

“Please, you would have to be a moron to not want to live in a country that has no rape or murder.”

- And you would have to be a moron to think that you could magic it away with public executions.

“That is a valid point but America is not Scandinavia. There is required military service and conscription system is still retained.”

- Not true at all. Do some research.

Sorry, that’s all I have time for. A lot of your post was repetitive in nature, and I lost some in the cut and paste. So that will have to do.
 
  by: ZCT     12/13/2008 04:58 AM     
  A different perspective  
 
I am the mother of two children that were sexually assaulted so that alone gives me more insight than many of you that commented. Unfortunately I can go even further because my older son was the perpetrator. Some of you are justifying this males actions and that sickens me. I can say I constantly warned my children, all of them of the dangers of sexual abuse. I went over the rules with my children to watch out for certain actions, never allow anyone to touch you here or there, the whole nine yards.
I can tell you my son lived came to live with me 3 years prior to the assaults. I can also tell you he was on a path of destruction from the 2nd month he was in my home. First it was a few phone calls a month from school, then it was suspensions, followed by a false report someone tried to abduct him. Next it was a call saying I needed to get to the school immediately because he threatened to kill a teacher and classmates. I begged the principal to contact the police so there would at the very least be a report of his actions, the school refused to do so. After that it was a call from the Sheriff's office that he had been arrested. All the while I was going to anyone that would listen to try to get help to get him on the right path. I went to the police, juvenile workers, the schools, psychologists, had an emergency evaluation conducted, I did all I could to figure out what was happening in his head to make him act out.

After being out of school for a few months over the summer I had a feeling he was up to no good once again. I kept a close eye on him, making sure he did not leave the yard, making sure he was not able to get to any weapons by putting bolt locks on the garage the gun cabinet and even the knife drawer. I stayed up until I could not keep my eyes open so I would know if something was happening.

After a week I caught him luring my youngest into a bedroom, immediately I went in and found exactly what I prayed would never happen to my children. He was trying to molest her. I did not have enough evidence by what I saw, but I knew in my heart it was happening. I got the number for the police dept. then questioned my daughter, when she said it had happened I immediately called the police. Then my second youngest came to me and admitted it had happened to him as well. I was devestated. The police came, telling me I had to find someone to take him, by this point NO ONE wanted him because he was always in trouble. I was threatened with being carted off the jail for child abandonment if I did not find someone to take him!! I begged and pleaded until finally someone took him.

I wrote the states attorneys office, the judge, the victims advocate, juvenile services trying to make people see he was getting progressively worse. If he were allowed to walk he would strike again and possibly escalate to kill someone. When he was evaluated by a specialist she said he is a danger to society and recommended he be incarcerated in a juvenile facility. However the master (AKA want to be judge) said she didnt think that was a fair judgement and decided to let him walk free. On the many court hearings I attended as the advocate for my smaller children, my older son looked at me like he could kill me, to the point the hair on my arms stood up and I could have sworn my heart stopped beating for a minute. It was a look like if I had a knife right now I would slit your throat.

When sentencing came I read a letter I wrote on the behalf of the younger children, after finishing the letter the master told me I was a bad mother because I didnt say anything about loving him or accepting what he had done!! This letter was written on behalf of his victims for pete sake.

Any how he once again walked for what he did. I will not allow him around these children, both of which have been diagnosed with PTSD and are subjected to counseling and will have to live with this the rest of their lives.

He is walking around the streets, a constant threat to society as a whole, but thanks to my states laws, he does so with hardly anyone knowing. He could be plotting to strike again or up the stakes to murder, but you do not know.

I am his mother, I carried him for 9 months, changed his diapers, fed him, taught him how to tie his shoes, cheered for him when he played in the band, and rooted for him during football season. I never wanted my son to be a rapist but he is, I do not want my son to be a murderer but it is very possible it may happen. I tried to do all I could to have him committed so he could receive extensive treatment and counseling while being supervised so he could not hurt anyone else, but the judicial system failed.

So yes juveniles should be committed because sexual abuse typical is not the first crime they have committed and typically will not be the last unless they are held accountable for their actions. Rape is a power trip so going to jail takes the power away from the predator.
 
  by: momma4life   08/20/2009 11:35 AM     
  all things being equal ?  
 
If jail or execution worked,then America and Texas would be the safest places on earth, there not, and no ir does not work, yet still the cry goes out, hang em high, just once I would like to see a person demonstrate to me that in the whole of humanity and it's history, there has never been any nation where it has worked, ever, and still,we as humans do not learn, and it is still revenge and retribution we seek not rehabilitation, or restitution, we are as a species a vindictive and spiteful animal, but some of us are trying to taise ourselves above this , we must question why so many believe that government vindictiveness should be an answer to an individuals vindictiveness is this not teaching the message that the answer remains , that might is not only right
but the only fair exercise of power over others ???
 
  by: Active1   08/23/2009 08:57 PM     
  Anal Rape  
 
Indeed a terrible thing to happen to someone so young. I can not see where keeping the other kid in jail will change him though. When he gets out he will be a rapist waiting to happen. Why not try some type of rehab and scare the crap out of him? If he gets raped in jail, he will want to take it out on the very first person (Female or worse male, maybe even a child) when he´s an adult. I guess there are no real answers to handle something like this other than doing the same back to him. WOW, I am at a loss here. Thanks for listening folks and Merry Christmas...
 
  by: slapbad   12/12/2010 05:13 AM     
  @slap  
 
this article is 2 years old and the last comment over a year old. how did you find this? searching anal or rape?
 
  by: syoware   12/12/2010 08:17 AM     
  @syoware  
 
LOL!
 
  by: ZCT     12/12/2010 02:09 PM     
 
 
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