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12/31/2008 06:24 PM ID: 75893 Permalink   

Israel Planned Gaza Attacks While Negotiating Cease Fire 6 Months Ago


Israel’s leading journal, Harretz has reported how the Israeli government planned the current offensive against the Gaza strip over six months ago while in the process of negotiation the cease fire it now accuses the Hamas led government of breaking.

The paper quotes sources in the Israeli defense establishment as saying that Ehud Barak instructed the IDF to prepare for the attacks months ago in order to surprise Hamas and maximize casualties.

The attack remained a plan until a month ago when the IDF entered Gaza despite the cease fire and killed 6 Hamas members in an operation to shut down a tunnel they claimed would be used to kidnap soldiers provoking retaliatory rocket fire.

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  Plans built upon more Plans  
If I was Ehud, I would be planning my next offensive too as I was holding negotiations with Hamas. It is normal. It is called "Just in case Hamas renegs". Just in case Hamas decides that they want to get rid of the jewish influence in israel and turn the land into an islamic state, as per the hamas constitution.
  by: kmazzawi     12/31/2008 06:52 PM     
if you read the source (which I don't think you did ...too many words I guess) you'll see that Hamas didn't break the cease fire but reacted to an Israeli incursion and that Israel never intended to keep to the conditions of the cease fire in the first place which is why the drew up the plan not as a "just in case plan" as you suggested but to lul Hamas into a false sense of security and then bomb the hell out of the place when they provoke Hamas into retaliation.

  by: Hugo Chavez     12/31/2008 07:34 PM     
  Just stop the human blood bath  
You can at least help a litle by signing this here.

  by: captainJane     12/31/2008 07:47 PM     
  Think military  
Strategic forecasters make plans for every possible scenario, including those who are almost implausible in nature. The US military have several plans for an invasion of Canada, just as surely as the Canadian military has response plans for most of them.

The fact they were planning these attacks in advance isn't what scares me, it's the fact they chose to use the "Carpet bomb everything" plan while fully aware they'll bomb the crap out of civilian in the process.
  by: Ryuken   12/31/2008 08:39 PM     
  @Hugo Chavez  
if you read the source (which I don't think you did ...too many words I guess)

Wow, so rude...typical SN'er.

I know it's none of my business but it just goes to show you the caliber of people on this site: Rude and ignorant.
  by: datsuncaptain1     12/31/2008 09:05 PM     
  Oh yeah  
/begin flame
  by: datsuncaptain1     12/31/2008 09:07 PM     
"I know it's none of my business but it just goes to show you the caliber of people on this site: Rude and ignorant."

Well, at least you are living up to your reputation as being rude and ignorant.
  by: vash_the_stampede     12/31/2008 09:26 PM     
Did you just say Canada had a defense plan for a US invasion? Yeah, it's called RUN.

The fight would be over before it began. But it will never happen - longest undefended border in History has drawn Americans and Canadians too close to ever let war become an option for either side.
  by: NicPre     12/31/2008 09:32 PM     
No need to flame, everyone on here but you has an established reputation - we don't post comments and then run off - THAT'S rude.

  by: NicPre     12/31/2008 09:34 PM     
  You know what they say  
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum

I'm sure Canada's military has a plan if the US invades, although they probably call it something to the effect of "Defensive Strategies in the Event of a Southern Attack."
  by: Manic_Panic     12/31/2008 09:51 PM     
Whaaaaa? Jewish influence where??

Imagine if Hitler did not kick them out, where would they be now??
  by: isuzu     12/31/2008 09:55 PM     
  I didn't run off  
I just don't keep glued to a topic to argue with people who can't debate nicely with one another. I was simply pointing out that Hugo made a pointless jab at someone instead of debating like an adult; much like most of you people do.

Maybe if I were 10 years younger I wouldn't have "run off," and I'm sure that this will get replied to within seconds from you vultures.
  by: datsuncaptain1     01/01/2009 12:15 AM     
  its called  
planning for any situation
and every country does this.

what a waste of a story.

  by: cray0la     01/01/2009 11:40 AM     
  im sure  
hamas had a plan
and that was too keep lobbing rockets into isreal since the cease fire was signed.
  by: cray0la     01/01/2009 11:43 AM     
  what a waste of a story  
yeah the story that pulls the rug from the "Hamas broke the cease fire" argument the basis of everything you've had to say on this subject ...and from an Israeli news source to boot ....classic

you see I would judge "rude" to be trying to justify the killing of civilians with a "just in case" argument and refusing to even look at the evidence to the contrary (but hey that's just me I guess)
  by: Hugo Chavez     01/01/2009 11:51 AM     
  Whether or not Canada has a plan...  
You might wanna read up about the time a bunch of pissed off canadian militian and indians torched the white house. Long time ago, but still.

As far as being over before it even began, that's what everyone was telling about Iraq and Afghanistan and yet they are soldiers dying everyday and you have to stay in a "safe zone" or risk getting killed. Not sure the US will be able to invade anyone for a long time...
  by: Ryuken   01/01/2009 03:55 PM     
  Nothing new...  
Japan did this in WW2 while trying to 'keep peace' with the US. The Japanese ambassador was to meet in the US even on the day of the Pearl Harbor attack.

I take the peace talks of Israel and Palestine (mostly Israel) with a grain of salt since the governments (but not necessarily the citizens) are relentless in their hatred towards each other.
  by: treyjazz   01/01/2009 06:39 PM     
  Both Side Feeding Off Each Other  
The money that rolls in to either side is enormous when the conflict increases.

There can be no peace until the money stops. I believe both sides are the victims of their greedy leaders.

  by: ichi     01/01/2009 06:54 PM     
  Both Sides Feeding Off Each Other  
The money that rolls in to either side is enormous when the conflict increases.

There can be no peace until the money stops. I believe both sides are the victims of their greedy leaders.

  by: ichi     01/01/2009 06:54 PM     
Drawing Hamas into a sense of security? What kind of premise is this Hugo?

What sense of security does israel needs to draw Hamas into? Israel could have executed the hit 6 month ago, or executed it now, the senses of hamas are completely and utterly irrelevant in this.

Hamas just like Hezbollah does very well hiding among its own population and firing rockets from the rooftops of their civilians. What sense of security are you referring to? It probably takes the average Hamasian less then 15 mins to reach the nearest schoolyard to hide into it. That is how they acquire their sense of security.
  by: kmazzawi     01/02/2009 08:57 AM     
They would be still be in israel. As I recall Belfor was in 1917 executed in 1917 and many of the conflicts started prior to hitler.
  by: kmazzawi     01/02/2009 08:59 AM     
you answered your own rebuttal by referring to Hezbollah ... was their sense of security important? ... Israel went in to remove them from southern Lebanon and screwed up big time there leaving Hezbollah in the eyes of the Arabs as victors . They are now more popular and have more support than ever.... just like Hamas is gaining support from these latest attacks .
  by: Hugo Chavez     01/02/2009 10:07 AM     
They might be in Palestine, but probably not Israel. The cause of all this is that land was taken by force from local inhabitants and given to foreigners because of a illogical religious belief.

This idea of a "chosen people" being better than others is the root cause. Just as it was the cause of the holocaust.
  by: jendres     01/02/2009 11:46 PM     
I have dreams of killing Israel everyday, even though I have a friend who was in the Isaeli army and supports Israel strongly. We debate all the time.
  by: Pakistani   01/03/2009 12:42 AM     
  fighting over a glorified carpark  
I am currently reassessing my view towards Israel and it's neighbours.

Lebanon, Gaza, Israel..

I can drive across Israel in the time it takes for me to drive to work every morning.

Tank shells and rockets having the range they do; it's like having daily arguements with your gun-wielding neighbour across the lawn-divide.
  by: redstain   01/03/2009 02:15 PM     
  Have israeli jews forgotten history?  
Israel has no intention of giving back palestinian land, why? because it thinks it owns it by bible rights, the problem is that God never signed his name on the contract. for everyone who doubts that israel targets palestinians civilians on purpose, consider the following: Israel has encircled gaza and every village, air, sea and land, the egypt crossing is sealed, yet in their leaflets they ask the palestinians to flee, but where? In order to flee, 1.4 million palestinians will either have to cross israeli territory from the north, east, south, or storm egypt crossing which is sealed anyway. So lets see where they can flee to? hmmm!?Nowhere!
  by: yobel   01/15/2009 01:32 AM     
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