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01/23/2009 04:30 AM ID: 76445 Permalink   

Ron Paul: Obama Downplaying Big Govt.

 

In a YouTube video Ron Paul warns libertarian minded Americans that Barack Obama's Inaugural Address was little more than camouflage for his big government dreams.

"If you are honest with oneself," said Paul, "you have to say, 'I'm for more government.' Or: 'I'm for less government.' But he would like to avoid trying to be blunt and saying, 'I'm for a lot more government.'"

"It is a strong ideological position," he continued, "to believe that government can run things, because if it isn't socialism, it's fascistic and it's inflationary and it's control and it's loss of liberty."

 
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  Preach on  
 
He's like a elementary school teacher for a population of unruly American 4th graders that we call the public.

Most of them are too busy throwing spitballs and passing notes to notice, but the man is trying to teach a lesson here.

I don't agree with everything he says, but at least he tells it as he sees it.
 
  by: Big Bird     01/23/2009 04:46 AM     
  I'm confused.  
 
Liberal = More Government
Conservative = Less Government
Obama = Liberal
Who doesn't know he's for more government?
 
  by: Kolman   01/23/2009 04:46 AM     
  @Kolman  
 
You'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of Republicans that still believe in limited government. Most of them are Statists just like the Democrats.
 
  by: Rayn     01/23/2009 04:53 AM     
  Duh!  
 
Okay, I'm about to be a cyber-environmentalists.
I usually don't do this, but I'm going to recycle a portion of a post I made in the forums:

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."
--- Thomas Jefferson
http://www.brainyquote.com/...


Ronald Reagan’s inaugural speech:
“In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price.”
http://www.reaganfoundation.org/...


Now... let's compare these great words with a speech Obama gave on January 8, 2009:
“…only government can provide the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this deep and severe. Only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy…”
http://change.gov/...


Government is the solution??
No! It's what caused this economic downturn and the bursted housing market to begin with!

Bill Clinton pressured banks to make risky loans... and look what it got us.
In his mind, every American had the right to own a house... whether or not they could afford it. Under pressure from his administration and his newly revised Community Reinvestment Act, banks made loans to people that had no business getting a loan.

Now, Obama is saying that Big Government is the solution?
[Shakes head in disgusted disbelief.]

God, please help us all!!!
 
  by: CArnold     01/23/2009 05:08 AM     
  @Arnold  
 
The best part of the source of this article is the comments. It starts off with Obama cheerleaders and then they all get pwned by a bunch of austrian econ students from I'm assuming LRC as that's what led me to this article. If you have the time I highly recommend reading the comments.
 
  by: Rayn     01/23/2009 05:13 AM     
  Yay Ron Paul!  
 
I wonder if anybody told him the election is over and he lost?
 
  by: captainchainsaw   01/23/2009 05:56 AM     
  @Rayn  
 
Republican =/= Conservative
At least as far as I can tell.
 
  by: Kolman   01/23/2009 06:10 AM     
  @Kolman  
 
Hard to say, Those words are so often corrupted. Liberal was once used to denote someone who is now called libertarian. Gotta love doublespeak.
 
  by: Rayn     01/23/2009 06:23 AM     
  @CArnold  
 
"God, please help us all!!!"

Obamas already working on it. He'll need five more days. After that, he rests.
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     01/23/2009 06:31 AM     
  Wow  
 
The fightin' 11 percent certainly are making ShortNews their personal podium these days ...

Here's what I like:

"unruly American 4th graders that we call the public"

"Obama cheerleaders"

All the anger and invective -- you guys stick with that. It'll change people's minds, I'm certain.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     01/23/2009 07:17 AM     
  Pretty smart man  
 
And I agree, you have to ask yourself the question: big or small? Both work. It just depends on how you would like it to work ideally.
 
  by: blac   01/23/2009 07:30 AM     
  @Ben  
 
"The fightin' 11 percent certainly are making ShortNews their personal podium these days ..."

LOL
I predicted this day, long ago.

I said, "After Bush has concluded his final term, whose doorstep will you [the left] lay your grievances on? Who will be the scapegoat for everything wrong in the world? Who will be the pincushion for all your hate and anger?”

The Dems and Libs are just experiencing Bush Withdrawal Syndrome and they’re going out of their mind because of it. They have all this pent up frustration and anger and Good Ole’ Bush isn’t on the rack for them to tear apart anymore. They have a burning urge to blame Bush for something (anything!) like a quitting smoker needs a cigarette. Old habits die hard but, alas, their blame-Bush addiction is one that they must now quit… cold turkey.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it, though. As soon as they find a Republican/Conservative politician to be their next whipping post, things around SN should return to “normal”.
 
  by: CArnold     01/23/2009 07:33 AM     
  @Ben  
 
I voted Tom Tancredo.
 
  by: Big Bird     01/23/2009 07:34 AM     
  @CArnold  
 
"The Dems and Libs are just experiencing Bush Withdrawal Syndrome and they’re going out of their mind because of it. They have all this pent up frustration and anger and Good Ole’ Bush isn’t on the rack for them to tear apart anymore. They have a burning urge to blame Bush for something (anything!) like a quitting smoker needs a cigarette. Old habits die hard but, alas, their blame-Bush addiction is one that they must now quit… cold turkey."

Why must they suddenly stop blaming Bush? Republicans are *still* playing the blame game against Clinton and he hasn't been president for damn near a decade! It's a little silly to say Democrats have to stop it now with Bush just gone a day ^_^
 
  by: vash_the_stampede     01/23/2009 07:40 AM     
  boo  
 
to socialism...

 
  by: mrmarler     01/23/2009 09:47 AM     
  Why doesn't Ron Paul  
 
say what he really thinks. Obama will help establishing the new world order.
Why does Ron Paul not repeat the words he says when he speaks (and so frequently) with Alex Jones?
Be honest with yourself Ron. Say what you really think.
 
  by: Kaleid   01/23/2009 10:12 AM     
  @MrMarler  
 
Boo to Socialism!? Pah!

Ron Paul rocks! :]
 
  by: Red!   01/23/2009 02:19 PM     
  Ron Paul  
 
is like a fresh new political character that stepped out of the pages of a comic book.

Except he was always around, no one paid attention to him until bush came rolling in with ideals of building a republican utopia... it sounded good and the people went for it...

But what we got was deficit doubling, ultra secret government, terror camps, walls, wars, fat cat kick backs to the elite corporations that would support the agenda and lawyers set loose to tear apart the bill of rights & constitution to make it all happen.

It is true, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Big government is not the solution. Throw left/right ideology out the window... they represent the same thing.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2009 02:42 PM     
  But there is hope  
 
Many people may not like to hear it, but Obama & his political youth may make him like JFK, he may not have sold his soul to the established social circles yet.

There are many reversals in the works to bush policies: an end to terror camps, tearing down walls, re-enacting the freedom of information act an seeking an end to middle east involvement through alt & domestic energy policies.

It's a crap shoot on what current economic policies will and won't work, the economic crisis began 1 year ago, with Obama 3 days into office there is little so far that separates bush policies from the obama ones.

But as we gain some distance from bush, I hope that Obama will be more centrist and to the right of bush.

Obama is no Ron, there's a flood of mal-investment, it's reached a crisis point.

Some scream paddle right and others left. History proves that the best proven course is somewhere in between with checks and balance from each side.

 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2009 02:59 PM     
  @ Ben Reilly  
 
All the anger and invective -- you guys stick with that. It'll change people's minds, I'm certain.

I'm not interested in changing the minds of people who apparently can't think for themselves.
 
  by: Rayn     01/23/2009 04:02 PM     
  @Rayn  
 
"can't think for themselves" -- love it! As long as you guys cling to this attitude, your election victories will be few and far between, and your party will remain powerless and in the minority. I'm giving you great free advice here and you're shoving it back in my face because you think I want your paycheck to support lazy people. Fine, have fun with that.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     01/23/2009 04:18 PM     
  @ Ben Reilly  
 
No, the unthinking masses will cause our victories to be few and far between. Those people not smart enough to read between the lines, or research a candidates voting record, or educate themselves about economics and foreign policy. But they can regurgitate a soundbite they heard on the news.*Change* They can also try to pidgeonhole you as a supporter of their arch enemy candidate. Of course, the pidgeonhole is a sly way around debating on actual facts and actual policy of which they know little.

Grow up Ben.
http://bastiat.org/...
 
  by: Rayn     01/23/2009 04:42 PM     
  @RonPaul h8ers  
 
""God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance?"

- Thomas Jefferson
 
  by: Trevelyan   01/24/2009 10:32 AM     
  @Ben_Reilly  
 
We were just having a discussion, and your sarcasm has not added to it.
 
  by: H. W. Hutchins   01/24/2009 10:56 AM     
  Seems Pretty Simple To Me  
 
Follow the constitution. But then again, maybe Obama believes as Bush believed -"its just a Goddamn piece of paper."
 
  by: jono_original     01/26/2009 06:33 PM     
  @Kaleid  
 
You are living in the new world order... President (the first) said that it was in danger... and we must protect it. BushII tried, but now Obama is working on something a little different. Wonder what it is?

Jefferson spoke about the new world order and it started (with his help) around 1776. Kaleid get used to it - your way behind on getting informed, this conspiracy theory has long been a fact of life.
 
  by: mexicanrevolution   01/27/2009 06:46 PM     
  NWO rubbish  
 
is so old and yet they still have not established it.
I do read alternative news sources..like Alex Jones' prisonplanet which has so much conspiracies you'd think he made a living out of all of it.. ;)
 
  by: Kaleid   01/27/2009 06:50 PM     
 
 
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