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Bizarre Viking Ritual: Killing of Mother and Son

 

On August 3rd, 2007, 65 year old James Conan strangled his 21 year old partner before repeatedly stabbing her to death. He then calmly lit a cigarette and played with her four year old son Patrick, known as PJ, then suffocated him.

The relatives of Miss O'Connell reported the two missing when police arrived at the home in Winchester. Conan opened the door; PJ was found in the bedroom with a note and "laid out ceremoniously" with objects around him.

Stewart Jones QC, prosecuting, said: "The ritual nature of laying out is bizarre. It's as if the little boy has been sent off for a journey. After it had been discovered that he had had an affair, the couple argued which led to the attack.

 
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  Where on earth...  
 
did this creep come from, a man of 65 with a 21 year old plus another young girl!

How did this mad man slip the net.
 
 by: captainJane     01/27/2009 04:46 PM     
  Conan the Barbarian  
 
I can't believe he could possibly get away with only 16 years!
 
 by: reehaw     01/27/2009 04:58 PM     
  After finding out HE had been having an affair...  
 
Wow =P Some guys just don't know when they've got what others only dream about.
 
 by: Dayron   01/27/2009 04:58 PM     
  This is the joke English law is..  
 
16 years is one of the best sentences, and just think in sixteen years that little boy would have been twenty and his mother would be 37, and this creature from hell will be free to live after that time. After being feed and kept warm free of charge for years. Who says crime does not pay, it does from where I am standing.

 
 by: captainJane     01/27/2009 05:33 PM     
  Partly the Skanks fault...  
 
Why on earth would you ever date a man Three times your age? You wouldn't think their is something morally wrong with that ancient freak? I mean maybe if i was that age and no girl i would take anything let alone someone 40+ years younger but that woman man, she must of been just as nuts.
 
 by: pineal420   01/27/2009 06:56 PM     
  Was the killing really the ritual?  
 
Apart from the title of the source, the only reference to Viking ritual I could find was the laying out of the bodies - i.e. the part after the murders and not the killing itself.

Anyone here with enough knowledge about Vikings to comment on that?

Aside from that: 16 years for the murder of a mother and her child!?!? But hey, the prisons are too full because of all those who got caught with too much cannabis.
 
 by: MouseJunkie     01/27/2009 07:07 PM     
  Vikings?  
 
what does killing your partner and her child have to with viking rituals?
and what does the name conan have to do with nordic legend?
 
 by: Amaze   01/27/2009 07:43 PM     
  Racist.  
 
This is the worst BBC article ever written. This had nothing to with Vikings and only perpetuates the idea that they were some kind of overly murderous savage barbaric race.

Viking burial rituals vary slightly depending on when and where they occured, but killing wives and sons never occured (though sometimes cousins did fight and once a father and son fought for the throne in the Skane/Copenhagen region according to early Viking history). Often royalty was buried in actual longships with gear, including horses or dogs and occasional vassals, worthy to serve them in the afterlife; others were buried in stone rings shaped like boats. I'm halfway through another fat book on the Vikings and will finish it sometime this century. Been into Viking lore and history all my life being a half-swede.

What's the similarity here? Some messed up British whacko put a flashlight in the hands of a murdered child. Some comparison.
 
 by: theironboard     01/27/2009 09:18 PM     
  @tib  
 
The dude had changed his name to Conan (originally Walsh) "because it had some significance in Nordic legend".

And the prosecutor was the one who claimed it may go some way to explaining how the boy was laid out, not a journo.

Can we not discuss a murderers motives if it offends someone? Can we only talk about Hitler's motives if we pretend it's because he worshipped Satan and not God?
 
 by: tantryl   01/27/2009 11:41 PM     
  '@Tibs...  
 
This is not a summary of belief in the Viking religion it is about a nut case that believes he was acting out a Viking ceremony as the court put it, so this is not a crap report of summary at all in fact I would say explanatory of the incident that happened which I found to be was very sad. That some perverted old fart was able to kill a little child like that.
I hope someone shoves a ritual blade up his rectum in prison, demented or not he killed a mother and child.

The youngster was taken back to his room and “laid out ceremoniously”, the court heard.
The child was dressed in his favorite clothes, his toys put around him, including a dagger and guns, and the torch in his hand. A note from Conan was also placed near the body.
Conan committed the killing during an argument because Miss O’Connell had found out he was having an affair with another woman and she told him to leave.
Stewart Jones QC, prosecuting, said: “The ritual nature of laying out is bizarre. It’s as if the little boy has been sent off for a journey.”
He told the court that Conan, whose real surname was Walsh, changed his name because it had significance in Nordic legend and he had an interest in the Vikings.
“This may go some way to explain the boy being laid out,” he said

 
 by: captainJane     01/28/2009 12:17 PM     
  @CJ  
 
I didn't see anything about the court, but only the writer's speculation. I'll check again. I wasn't criticising your summary, which is good.
 
 by: theironboard     01/28/2009 09:52 PM     
  @CJ 2  
 
'He told the court Conan had changed his name because it had significance in Nordic legend'

That's the only thing in the original story regarding anything relating to Vikings other than the headline. So, I have to assume that this is speculation on the reporter. If further mention of this was made I did not see it in the article, nor does my cold allow me to have further energy to gaze upon the computer screen.
 
 by: theironboard     01/28/2009 10:06 PM     
  I admit  
 
I was reading another article (UPI?) that said specifically it was the QC that made the remark. So it was slightly lazy of the BBC dude.
 
 by: tantryl   01/29/2009 01:43 AM     
  @ Tibs this is from this source..  
 
The youngster was then taken back to his room and "laid out ceremoniously" with items put around him, including a toy dagger and guns and a torch in his hand.
Stewart Jones QC, prosecuting, said: "The ritual nature of laying out is bizarre. It's as if the little boy has been sent off for a journey."

He told the court Conan had changed his name because it had significance in Nordic legend.

Mr Jones QC, added: "This may go some way to explain the boy being laid out."


So it was mentioned a few times my friend.

Get better soon! :)
 
 by: captainJane     01/29/2009 06:32 PM     
 
 
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