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03/30/2009 11:18 AM ID: 77914 Permalink   

No Touching, Says Connecticut Middle School


A middle school in Connecticut has implemented a new rule banning any physical contact between students after a recent incident that sent a boy to the hospital with a groin injury. Parents received a letter outlining the new policy this week.

Catherine Williams, principal at East Shore Middle School, said violators may end up in "parent conferences, detention, suspension and/or a request for expulsion from school."

Angry parents say the zero tolerance rule includes handshakes, high-fives, and hugging. On Friday, students in the 8th grade showed up to school protesting the ban by wrapping themselves in blue duct tape.

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  touchy feely  
that's how it should be anyway. I hate it when anyone other than the wife touches me, it majorly violates my personal space.

Don't touch my stuff, don't touch me.
  by: l33   03/30/2009 12:23 PM     
Sounds like you may have some issues. Banning hand shakes and high fives in high school is rediculous. All because someone got kicked/punched/hurt in the groin is rediculous.

After every baseball game when i was in school we would tell the other team good game and shake hands or give a "low" five on the way out. By banning something as absurd as this your just setting kids up for more issues down the road.
  by: silentace   03/30/2009 12:56 PM     
  It sounds like a great way to  
Break down social bonds. Besides you can't ban something like that. What are schools? Communist development learning centers?
  by: LykosSN4   03/30/2009 03:07 PM     
I wonder if they will ban all sports and gym also.
  by: wanderer1953   03/30/2009 03:39 PM     
I used to have a teach back in elementary school that said your rights as an american citizen ended when you walked through the door of the school.

Look like she is getting her way!
  by: jediman3     03/30/2009 03:41 PM     
Something else also does this mean the teachers can't touch the children either or can the teachers still shake hands ect ect. What about in the lunch line if the children touch does that count?
  by: wanderer1953   03/30/2009 03:42 PM     
  no issue at all,see  
because NOBODY has the right to touch my person. That type of behavior is crude, disrespectful and uncivilized as well as a violation of my right to be secure in my person and possessions. Read the constitution, I'm sure you have heard of it. That's the same document that allowed you to say that I must have issues. :)
I don't live in a crowded East or West coast city. I live in the Big country.
Just put your arms straight out at your sides, now turn around in a circle. See that circle you just made? well that's YOUR personal space, where I live. For someone to enter that personal space uninvited can be a dangerous thing to do. Yes that's right, we are all armed here.
Here, 1 out of 3 adult males have a permit to carry concealed. The 2nd one of the 3 can qualify to carry concealed but just hasn't bothered to get a permit yet,so he is probably armed as well. And that 3rd guy has a criminal past and is not qualified to carry concealed, but since he is of the criminal persuasion, just assume that he is armed as well...
This is probably why things like muggings and car-jackings just don't happen here. H*ll, the only fist fights I've seen here in the last ten years were when police were subduing criminals. Right across the river from here is a different city and a different state with different laws and their crime rate is phenomenally high when compared to ours. Car-jackings, muggings, beating, robberies and murders are everyday life for those fools.
Land of the brave AND home of the free.
Stepping up into ones face can get people killed. Putting your face into someone elses face,(like you see on tv) will not cause anyone to back down here. Instead you will hear a ratcheting sound. And that will be the only warning you get. So needless to say we don't encounter such situations very often.
Heres a funny one for you. where I work we sometimes had people transfer in from that city across the river. These people would practically freak out when they saw a customer had a gun in his pocket,or belt or should holster, or a woman with a blaster in here purse as she was digging out her checkbook. I evently began to warn these tranferees in advance just so they wouldn't panic.
I myself got great laughs out of it. Life in the land of the brave and home of the free can be pretty hilarious when you see people who are not used to such freedoms panicking over nothing.
  by: l33   03/30/2009 04:29 PM     
  They Must  
Be casting for a new series of MONK.
  by: steve2045     03/30/2009 04:31 PM     
Don't give me that bullshit about hand shaking and hugging being crude and disrespectful. Where I also hate being touch I don't presume myself as a model for what people should be. Yes there are people who are assholes, that doesn't make everything a problem as the problem behavior just continues since its not about following some rule or social norm.
  by: splicer   03/30/2009 05:11 PM     
There already were rules against that. Should someone touch you in a way you don't like, tell the teacher, they'll get in trouble. This rule means that ALL physical contact, welcome or not, is banned. This means you don't get to shake hands with someone, and I really don't see how you can still have any sports or phyiscal education classes while having this rule.
  by: Kolman   03/30/2009 05:20 PM     
  We are required to touch in church.  
I hate it.
  by: walter3ca   03/30/2009 05:26 PM     
I'm sorry...but I laughed SO HARD at that simple little statement. Fantastic.

l33, I think you're missing the point. It's not about someone violating your personal space, touching you while your walking, or getting in your face or whatever.
This is about kids NOT hi-fiving after getting a good grade on a test or winning a basketball game in PE, or girls NOT helping other girls fix themselves up at lunch. Friends CAN'T hug other friends when one is having a bad day, or teachers CAN'T even shake hands with a child who's done a job well done.

All of these things that I mentioned that are things that are BY CHOICE...not personal space, but things shared between friends. These things are now banned because someone DID violate some else's space...but that's kind of redundant.

If I'm going to hit anyone, I'm going to hit them, and it's going to to happen faster than me giving someone a hug or AIMING for a highfive or anything else. This prevents nothing, and discourages normal behaviour.
  by: polkaspotted   03/30/2009 05:40 PM     
  Good way to protest this.  
Have everyone walk into school holding hands. :)
  by: Kolman   03/30/2009 05:43 PM     
If it was a communist development center they would be encouraging social bonds. More like a capitalist development center encourage individuality rather than cooperation.
  by: xufeelinlukyx   03/30/2009 06:13 PM     
Oh I'm getting the point. I guess my point isn't coming across correctly.
Familiarity breeds contempt. So...if just for a while if these kids are not allowed to touch they may learn to respect each others persons and personal spaces. This learned skill could potentially save their lives one day. Kids don't learn unless you teach them. Sometimes the lessons are hard. But that doesn't mean they are pointless. Myself, I don't recall doing many hi-fives or much handshaking in school. Its definitely not something one would do on a daily basis,especially in middle school. The only hugging was between males & females and that was a rather private thing that didn't need to happen in the hallways anyway. Especially at that age!
Its because of the females that they will never be able to enforce this policy for long. The girls are definitely more social creatures than guys are. The guys are more solitary creatures,especially at that age,except for when girls are concerned ;}

I guess no one ever taught that 13 yr old boy last week that raped the 14yr old girl on the school bus that he should keep his hands to himself,as well as some of his other parts! He violated her space, violated her person, and then violated her body.
Like I said, some lessons can be tough, but may well be worth it in the end.
  by: l33   03/30/2009 06:59 PM     
  Good luck  
walking through the hall during class changes if it is anything like my school was back in the day...
Part of the purpose of school (maybe not purpose but definately a good side affect) is to teach children how to socialize and interact thus preparing them for the "real world". It seems like so much that is in society these days is driving people further away from personal contact. Email, text messages, and now no touching...If you take the personal aspect out of everything, it seems to me that you will not have the loyalties that many of us have now. This could lead to poor job performance and the elimination of sales type jobs to online ordering. Yeah I may be blowing it out of proportion, but if you really think about it... Oh- and yes I love my text messages and email as much as anyone. I'm just saying that everything all together on the develpoing mind could be detrimental to society.

Anyhow, just punish the nut kicker and let the kids live a normal life.
  by: redheadedwonder   03/30/2009 08:06 PM     
  I don't get it  
Why not install a ban on kicking people in the nuts? Better yet, a ban on kicking people at all? Wouldn't that be more reflective of the situation here?
  by: caution2     03/30/2009 08:10 PM     
  fascist mouthpieces  
"Communist development learning centers?" - LykosSN4

I have no love for Stalin, corruption, etc... But what the heck does this puritanical BS got to do with communism?!?!

In fact the closest thing to this is George Orwell's 1984 (sex is banned and the protagonist is denounced by his lover & sent to room 101).
  by: redstain   03/30/2009 09:57 PM     
They should just ban any type of touching of the groin area. Unless you yell "Bangkok!" beforehand, then its ok.
  by: teh_epic     03/30/2009 10:14 PM     
  @teh epic  
I don't know what that means but I like it.
  by: redheadedwonder   03/30/2009 10:18 PM     
  Have a happy joy-joy day!  
no more highfives? wahtever! the kids will work around this new rule long before it's revoked. still, my first thought after reading the title was along the lines of "impossible, impractical, and downright idiotic." and doesn't making something forbidden make it more enticing at that age? what are those board members thinking!?
i liked that protest. i wonder who's idea it was.
  by: calilac     03/30/2009 11:14 PM     
So you won't shake someone's hand? Because apparently that violation would result in being shot with your concealed, right?

And I'm sure that teaching all 13 year old rapists that hand shaking, hi-fives and hugs in school is wrong, will stop them from raping people... because its this casual contact that breeds rapists.
  by: barryman9001   03/30/2009 11:14 PM     
I'm still trying to figure out if you're serious or not. If so, how the **** do you function at church?
  by: DaReapaMan   03/31/2009 03:48 AM     
Thank You very much for not living in a highly populated area. I sincerely mean that.

  by: bbeljefe     03/31/2009 05:44 AM     
well i think the general consensus amongst smart americans is that we should indeed all be carrying a weapon. i myself don't out of laziness. and plus good luck working in a union and wearing a firearm. but, everything else you've said is borde.... no it's pretty much the most psychotic pathetic bullshit i've ever heard in my life. but at least you had one good thing to say.
  by: mrmarler     03/31/2009 06:46 AM     
Personally I don’t like anyone touching me apart from myself and my girlfriend and even then I keep it limited. I don’t understand how we as a species that has come so far still need physical contact in the form of a handshake as a means of introduction or welcoming, if you talk to people within the business world everyone has their own ideas of what you can tell from a handshake and I think that if it wasn’t for the tradition that self perpetuates as employees become employers I think the habit would be dying out, but it’s not, dirty f*cks goto the toilet and hold their herpes ridden junk and then shake people hands without washing them and even then most people don’t wash their hand properly.
Then we have the old hi-five, what the hell is with that if I could find a lamer way of making contact with another person I think it would strongly resemble two people fu*king each others underarms.
Obviously not everyone is like me and I accept that but unless necessary I don’t understand why people come up with ways of touching each other, especially within a male filled office, why don’t you fags just goto the toilet and spank each other. Oh and by the way I am not a homophobe a friend of a friend of mine is gay.
Ok back to schools, if kids want to touch each other let them, the worst thing that will happen is they will get the flue or something like that, build their immunities up when their young so when their skanky girlfriend Rhonda comes home with a rash they have something other then the sloppy seconds from the last sucker as a barrier. The only exclusion to allowing touching should be bullying, if it “friendly touches” then it’s ok, if it some douche that has been his dads gimp since he was old enough to swallow and wants to take his pain and anguish on some unsuspecting victim the expel him.
  by: shiftyfarker   03/31/2009 06:54 AM     
LOL. Yeah, I'm not homophobic either. My neighbor and his boyfriend are gay and I visit with them regularly. In fact I have been in their home and they in mine. Nice guys actually, both of them. Funny thing though, neither of them have ever tried to fellate or anally rape me. Perhaps I'm just not that hot?

Oh, and, I'm not anti-semitic either. I once bought a bagel from a Jew.

  by: bbeljefe     03/31/2009 07:14 AM     
We keep doing weird stuff out of tradition, even if they stopped being functional long ago.

Handshakes were originally a way to show you weren't carrying a concealed weapon under your sleeve and you would grab the wrist instead of the hand. Hitting your drink mate's glass wasn't meant to express a cheerful attitude, but to mix some of your beverage with his to show neither was poisoned.

We are weird creatures indeed.
  by: Ryuken   03/31/2009 09:03 AM     
  xD xD  
Lol.... :D :D

Another reason for, why im laughing out loud about american's ways O_o

- Tell me pls, is it REALY illegal to TOUCH someone on the shoulder on the street in america? XD

Oh my dog!!

and barryman9001 - Are you a woman? -.-
You DO know that the FANTASY makes horns come out, not nessesary the physical contact X_X'

Gz, Qake [Not from america, thx god :]
  by: Qake   03/31/2009 12:20 PM     
  @ qake  
It's not just in America, you get schools here in the UK that do stupid things like but i must admit it's not as extreme as this.

Did you have much friends at school? This rule means that friends arent allowed to do stuff like play tag or even play just some sports due to contact ...
  by: tung   03/31/2009 12:27 PM     
"Its because of the females that they will never be able to enforce this policy for long. The girls are definitely more social creatures than guys are. The guys are more solitary creatures,especially at that age,except for when girls are concerned ;}"

When I was at school the boys were just as likely to touch each other as the girls were! Girls would often walk along with their arms linked or whatever, whereas boys were more likely to play fight, boys diving on top of each other in a big heap on the school field was pretty much a daily occurrence - nobody got hurt and nobody had their personal space violated! Most kids (and adults too) bond through physical contact in one way or another, whether it be through simply hugging a friend, play-fighting or playing sports together - it's perfectly normal!

Also, there is a big difference between hugging or touching a friend and violating someone's personal space, unless of course that person doesn't want to be hugged, but it doesn't sound like you had much contact with other human beings as a child so this concept may be hard to grasp.
  by: TabbyCool     03/31/2009 02:35 PM     
So I guess touch football is out of the question?
  by: Anthrox   03/31/2009 05:58 PM     
  tung and others  
1st off, I did say "entering ones private space UNINVITED". So obviously handshaking is by invitation.

As far as playing tag goes...its a middle school, not a grade school. Not to many 13-14 year olds play tag, except maybe at a "special" school where they don't know the difference anyway. As for sports,agreeing to play in the 1st place is an invitation into ones personal space isn't it?
another BIG benefit of the no touch rule would be that it could teach these modern day kids(savages) a little "self control". this alone will help them greatly in life. Obviously the 13 yr old rapist had no concept of self control.
oh and the guy who bought a bagel from a jew....don't ya think just maybe that sounds a wee bit racist?? Did you also buy a watermellon from a black man? Or maybe some corn and whiskey from a native american? ha.
tell me, why do all of you people seem to have this weird desire to be touched in the 1st place? Sounds like a fetish to me. And why are you on here instead of being out touching someone or being touched by someone??
look down...maybe you are touching yourself right now!!! Bet you are....
  by: l33   04/01/2009 07:03 AM     
I know what your saying i am not racist, i bought a can of spray paint and a plastic bag off an aboriginal just the other day.
Also when i was at school foot ball was banned, all contact sports were banned, i went to a school with year K - 12 and we came up with the great game of kick that ball in the air as high as possible and see who it lands on, i ended up meeting my girlfriend thanks to that game after getting accidentally KO'd, anywho 6 years going strong.
  by: shiftyfarker   04/01/2009 07:25 AM     
yes, I have observed such behavior before, when watching kids at a public school across from my house.
See, I did not go to such a school. It was a bit more exclusive, where one is taught proper behavior. Currently, 99.8% of the students who graduate from there go on to college. That's about 80% higher than the public school rate.
It's no wonder why my perspective is so far different from the rest of these Bozo's. I guess I just missed out on "how to perform undignified behavior".
Also missed the classes about things such as being arrested and going to prison, a couple things that are not in the realm of reality for some of us. yeah, that must also explain my near god-like credit rating of 823. (which can be pretty cool in itself. 5 months ago I wanted to buy a new car, so I called up the bank,told them my name and their response was "go pick one out and come on down. That was at a time when no one could get credit and people were losing their houses. Yes I bought the car, but didn't do it through my bank because I was getting a better rate offered to me by my credit union. 5.3 % is awesome. The bank wanted 6% and the dealership wanted 8%. I gave the car to my wife, she deserved it.)

Someone here said they are glad that I'm not in the big city...I am glad too. I've noticed that the big city folk head for the country just as soon as they get a couple of coins to rub together. What does that say?
  by: l33   04/01/2009 07:41 AM     
Sounds to me like to hate modern society kids which is fair enough because some of them are crazy and dangerous, but most or ok.
To me i think it's down to parents to teach them right from wrong like not to invade someones space, hit someone for no reason etc.
  by: tung   04/01/2009 10:35 AM     
Well, I'm from England and we never had any lessons in school where jail was mentioned!

Allowing kids to have harmless physical contact does not encourage violent or inappropriate behaviour and it most certainly doesn't encourage rape! If anything, telling kids that they aren't allowed to touch each other at all will only make matters worse, kids usually want to do what they aren't allowed to do for the sake of breaking the rules.

You seem to have some strange views on the world, physical contact does not have to be undignified or sexual, just because a person greets their friend with a hug doesn't mean they have some sort of weird touching fetish!

I can see why you might not like kids these days, some of them are thugs, but a lot of them aren't and to tar them all with the same brush is a bit of a sweeping generalisation - it's like saying all Germans are Nazis and enjoy gassing Jews, it's just not true at all!
  by: TabbyCool     04/01/2009 01:34 PM     
@ Tabby, I agree, part of the point in school is to develop good people skills and good people skills involves learning body language and (shock horror) that includes physical body language. To put it bluntly, when you dont learn these things properly you end up like lee. Sorry lee but you just dont sound reasonable.

Do you have children? If so what do you do if they want to play fight or give you a hug? Pull out your gun because they're invading your territorial bubble? Do you realise that some kids do not have extensive vocabularies and so physical contact is a good way for them to express themselves? also kids are very shy and so saying to a friend that you care about them or whatever is difficult, whereas just giving a friend a hug or a nudge in jest is a less embarrasing way to do it.
As far as handshakes etc are conserned, they are traditionally signs of trust to show that your intentions are honourable and you have no concealed weapons. Since you yourself say that where you live everyone is carrying a gun this sounds like a pretty good idea doesn't it?
And are you actually saying that any time you get into an arguement you will pull out your gun to end it? I live in scotland and it seems that the big difference in where we live is that when people fight here they both walk away from it.(obviously with some exceptions)

'Familiarity breeds contempt' - Maybe for you (and if so i pity your wife) but for most people it just breeds understanding and comradery.

You also keep reciting 'Life in the land of the brave and home of the free' but it's not home of the free if two consenting people can't touch each other and it's hardly land of the brave if you're so scared of everyone around you that you need a gun.

@Calilac - Love the demolition man reference, sums it up well.

@Shifty - You have some pretty pessimistic views, i hope one day you realise that the world the cheap tabloids try and scare us with isn't the one that most of us inhabit.

  by: ThinkPeople   04/01/2009 05:33 PM     
  Well, so much for contact sports  
sponsored by Junior and Senior High Schools. Way too much touching going on there. All students should just sit at their computers and only interact electronically. That is much safer.

Now what else can the radical conservatives lose sleep over, trying to fix something that was never broken?
  by: White Albino   04/02/2009 01:42 PM     
"Most kids (and adults too) bond through physical contact in one way or another, whether it be through simply hugging a friend, play-fighting or playing sports together - it's perfectly normal!"

Could there be a correlation between the profoundly antisocial tendencies displayed by those denouncing physical contact and their aversion to said contact? Hmm...
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/03/2009 10:39 PM     
I would wear gloves and walk around touching everyone I could see, then fight it like hell all the way to court if I had to based on the fact I technically touched no one ;)
  by: Gaijin   04/08/2009 01:33 AM     
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