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05/14/2009 09:03 AM ID: 78724 Permalink   

Bush Administration Accused of 'Unprecedented'Acts of Abuse By Former Official


The US administration of George Bush has been accused by Phillip Zelikow, a former official in the administration of "unprecedented" acts of abuse carried out against terror suspects.

In a senate hearing Zelikow claimed, "The US government over the past seven years adopted an unprecedented programme in American history of cruelly calculated dehumanizing abuse and physical torment to extract information."

He also claimed that the administration ordered the destruction of all copies of a memo he wrote opposing the use of torture while he served as an aide to the former US secretary of state.

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  I hope this is big trouble..  
for Bush, this guy is hot on collecting evidence, he it did both on Reagan and Clinton, so look out Bush. :)
  by: captainJane     05/14/2009 12:32 PM     
  Tell me...  
are you still calling yourselves the 'Land of the Free'?
  by: ofwolfandman   05/14/2009 02:52 PM     
  i hope..  
...that someone of the bush administration will be convicted because it's my oppinion that this person will then, hopefully, point the finger right back at the rockerfellers, rothschilds, etc, just so that those cock suckers are exposed.
  by: itts   05/14/2009 03:03 PM     
  Bush and Cheney deserve to be publicly hanged…  
The damage done by a million sex offenders pales in comparison to the rape Bush/Cheney have done to every American. They got no usable “intelligence” from this torture. In essence they sold every American’s soul to the devil for nothing. The black mark besmirching America’s reputation can never be erased. Americans have lost faith in the ‘Criminal Just-Us System’. America and the World need closure on the Bush reign of terror. Hang Bush and Co. in front of the Capital on CNN and let the world know Justice has been served. Let anyone who ever decides to use his position of power to violate the Constitution and human rights know what their fate will be.
  by: Valkyrie123     05/14/2009 03:33 PM     
you forgot one love, Rumsfield.

Here is the one of the almighty blasts from the past!
  by: captainJane     05/14/2009 03:45 PM     
  And many more...  
look at the lives lost through these bart-rds, lets get them.

Seeing this clip makes my blood boil.
  by: captainJane     05/14/2009 03:49 PM     
  This is big  
Zelikow is pretty entrenched in Conservative Land (i.e., he's not a liberal, so conservatives actually have to consider taking him seriously). He worked under Rice and was the director of the 9/11 Commission -- and took a lot of heat during that time for being overly protective of the Bush administration.
  by: Ben_Reilly     05/14/2009 04:36 PM     
  I understand that it's appauling,  
But i really doubt it's unprecedented...
  by: dook   05/14/2009 04:37 PM     
  Thanks Jane  
We can not allow our selves to forget or to let the terrorist regime of Bush candy coat the lies that they used to destroy the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.
  by: ichi     05/14/2009 09:15 PM     
  @ ichi  
This brought back painful memories, I w so upset at this time, but no one around me could comprehend my deeply being so involved.

Thank God it is over well for some not all, anyway, I hope Bush gets to feel that feeling of loss and fear now and the many others that were involved, some mentioned above!
  by: captainJane     05/14/2009 09:28 PM     
Really? Never before has the Red Cross visited U.S.-run prisons and accused the government of torturing suspects in them. Never before have so many members of an administration spoken to the media about what was done and discussed whether or not it was torture.

If it's not unprecedented action, then how would you explain the unprecedented response?
  by: Ben_Reilly     05/14/2009 09:39 PM     
Are you blaming the JEWS... That's not very PC.
  by: shiftyfarker   05/15/2009 12:20 AM     
You seriously believe the US has never tortured people before? I'd be willing to bet they used much more brutal methods than what they've used here.

In the past it wasn't frowned upon like it is today, it was part of life.
  by: dook   05/15/2009 12:56 AM     
This torture debate has been going on a long time -- for years. In all those years, as I've followed the various arguments and read a lot of material on the subject, I've never encountered an account of torture that we carried out that wasn't punished.

I guess you're saying that based on what we now know, we have to admit that there could be torture we *don't* know about, and I can see that point. My argument is that in every case of torture that we know about, people talked -- in fact, people talked a LOT. Is it then logical to think that there are cases of torture on which people kept silent?

The examples we know about seem to show one thing about torture in the U.S. -- people don't keep quiet about it. You can go back 30 years to find an example of a Texas sheriff who was imprisoned for 10 years for waterboarding. You can go back to WWII to find examples of the U.S. punishing the Japanese and Germans for torture -- whether they did it, ordered it, or even made legal determinations that it was allowable, which they did.

I think few people really understand how hard it is for anyone to keep a horrible secret under a lid.
  by: Ben_Reilly     05/15/2009 05:17 PM     
  @ Ben_Reilly  
"I think few people really understand how hard it is for anyone to keep a horrible secret under a lid."

Are you trying to tell us you've tortured people? :)

This waterboarding is something that's coming up time and time again, and whilst i do see it as torture myself i know others don't. But it's not torture in the league of some other torturings, cutting off limbs etc. and this is what i mean by unprecendented. In the past they were far more grusome than today.

I'm not saying it's right, or good, I'm just making that point.
  by: dook   05/16/2009 12:13 AM     
  Don't worry guys...  
dook is really armless.:P

  by: captainJane     05/16/2009 12:16 AM     
It's true, i type with my nose and wouldn't wish anything bad on anybody...
  by: dook   05/16/2009 12:37 AM     
The Bush administration has brought down America to it's lowest level in world option ever.
And the world is right in judging so hard, invasion (WAR), torture, wire tapping, and the list goes on and on.
The erosion of the constitutional rights and the huge illegal payments for services made to big business such Haliburton and co.

  by: thinking   05/17/2009 07:41 PM     
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