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06/12/2009 07:03 PM ID: 79147 Permalink   

President Obama Fires Inspector General


President Obama has made a final decision in firing AmeriCorps Inspector General Gerald Walpin without outlining his decision. According to the source, the only reason Obama gave was that Obama did not feel confident Walpin would do his job well.

The reason behind the firing is thought to stem from an investigation initiated by Walpin of funds ($850,000) distributed to the St. Hope non-profit organization developed by Kevin Johnson, mayor of Sacramento and a strong Obama supporter.

The investigation found that Johnson was using some of the funds for personal reasons such as paying volunteers to be active in school board decisions, among other things. According to Charles Grassley, Walpin has been doing his job as can be expected.

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  Possible lead up to compulsory civilian service

AmeriCorp is the closest thing Obama has that matches what he and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel have said they want. Change is coming and I bet its change most americans wont like.
  by: slavefortheman     06/12/2009 07:08 PM     
If you remember, this has been around for a while. It's like PeaceCorps, but you do the work in America. Also, President Bush expanded AmeriCorps funding significantly. Chill with the compulsory service conspiracy theories.
  by: justaperson     06/12/2009 08:00 PM     
If its a conspiracy theory then why is the chief of staff saying we need such a thing? Why did Obama's support compulsory service as well until it became and this was taken down? Why did Obama say such a service was necessary in one of his speeches? Why did the recent AmeriCorp expansion legislation say it would have compulsory service for high school and college students until the bill was changed?

Perhaps because they want to eventually put forward such a plan. Now it may not be in the form of AmeriCorp but I guarantee they want to create a civilian service that is required of all high school and college students.

After all the writing is all over the wall. One just has to read it.
  by: slavefortheman     06/12/2009 08:10 PM     
  Well I think he was right here.  
"Johnson was using some of the funds for personal reasons such as paying volunteers to be active in school board decisions,"

I thought volunteers did not get paid, they don't here!
  by: captainJane     06/12/2009 08:17 PM     
  As a former military person  
I think it would be good for everyone to do some kind of service, not just military. Some other countries do the same thing (Israel, Switzerland) Regardless, there seems to be a cry of some evil doings whenever the administration does anything.
  by: justaperson     06/12/2009 08:27 PM     
I dont know if such a service would be legal though. It would be in direct conflict with Amendment 13 Section 1 of the US Constitution:

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

The supreme court ruled that military conscription does not fall within the 13th amendment but I am unsure about the same with a civilian type of service. But unlike the military this may fall under the "Involuntary servitude" part of it.

I personally like the idea of getting many of todays kids off the street and into something that will try to improve US life in general but I worry about such a service being a gateway to the military or militarization of our youths. Much like how Hitler Youth was used in Germany.
  by: slavefortheman     06/12/2009 08:36 PM     
I appreciate that you served and I appreciate that you think it would be good for all citizens to serve. However, your opinion about what I should have to do is no more relevant to me than is my opinion about what you should do is to you.

This is supposed to be a country in which people are free to pursue that which interests them, not that which interests the government or the population at large. Compulsory service, in its very nature, denies people that freedom.

Also, there is no conspiracy theory about compulsory service. There are people in our government who support the idea and the President is one such person. Slave isn't in fear of a conspiracy, he has merited concern about compulsory service based upon factual evidence. As do I and many other people who listen to and think about the things our public servants say.

  by: bbeljefe     06/12/2009 08:48 PM     
If this is intended for high school graduates / college students, those are people who could join the military anyways. We're not talking about forcing 10 year-olds to re-education camps. The 13th amendment does certainly seems to apply in this case.

  by: justaperson     06/12/2009 09:49 PM     
Well I am unsure about the age limits of such a program since nothing has really passed yet. Rahm Emanuel said in an interview that he wanted people ages 18-25.

However a recent article in New York Times showed how DHS was working with the boy scouts in their "Explorers" program. Of course military service was covered as well as training scouts in how to take down hostile targets with toy guns. They were training boy scouts in how to take down "domestic terrorists" and used the idea of "former disgruntled iraq war vets" as a scenario...

That in itself was kind of frightening to me.
  by: slavefortheman     06/12/2009 10:20 PM     
  yay tinfoil hat guy  
Okay so you make $100-150 a yr at your job doing some "computer stuff" yet you cant afford a jet ski or a second car even thou you have a second house out side atlanta like May-retta maybe or Crystal Hills in Athens where Brittney was going to build a house?
You're a nutty retard that gets paid too much (even if it is only 63000 a year which I highly suspect) and ya need something to keep you busy and away from the talk radio. Good luck and pull your head outta your ass slave.
  by: MickPaddy   06/12/2009 10:40 PM     
Yeah, how dare you say that Obama has ulterior motives /sarcasm.

Mickpaddy, BHO wants to copy Hitler's youth brigade.

"Obama's Plan for The Draft- MANDATORY SERVICE everyone 18-25"


See and hear for yourself.
  by: Mr.Science   06/13/2009 12:44 AM     

What purpose could boyscouts receiving tactical training have? I mean, this is nothing new, I've seen this in news videos from the 1930's, but I don't really understand German very well.
  by: groovedaddy   06/13/2009 01:57 AM     
  You know...  
...I'm pretty sure other countries have compulsory youth programs besides Nazi Germany. I know it's the internet and we have to jump to the most sensationalistic conclusion and all, but this is really getting ridiculous. God forbid the Obama forget to shave some day. He might look like he has a mustache, and you know who else had a mustache? HITLER!
  by: MomentOfClarity     06/13/2009 05:38 AM     
We're not debating what other countries force their citizens to do here.

The internet provides a level of anonymity that allows most people to be far more honest than they would be in real life so it would seem to me that what I read here is much more representative of people's real opinions than any of the contrived BS coming from FOX or MSNBC.

God can't forbid Obama from shaving because he is not real.

And last, it seems as though your were typing your post and were torn between "the messiah" and "President Obama" and it came out "the Obama."

Those are just my observations, however sensationalized they may be. I'm still wondering though, do you have an opinion on compulsory community service in the United States?

  by: bbeljefe     06/13/2009 07:00 AM     
No, I don't think compulsory service is appropriate in a free country, but unless Obama's involves using the young to bolster his military force and route out minorities for extermination, I think citing the Nazis is specious and stupid. It's not like that's the only time or place youth have been compelled to serve, and it's not as if such programs have always led to such horrors.
  by: MomentOfClarity     06/15/2009 06:48 PM     
Its called divorce and those of us that go through it can sometimes get royally screwed. Mine was pretty painless compared with my own parents but I was still forced to sell off nearly everything I owned, lost a huge amount of money, etc.

Basically I was forced to live paycheck to paycheck because some bitch that couldn't keep her legs closed...

Glad you like to throw insults at people you don't even know just for your own simple minded amusement.
  by: slavefortheman     06/15/2009 06:57 PM     
Oh wait thats right you probably will want proof right? Perhaps you will want proof that I dont have money.

Maybe I can send you a picture of the crappy house I have to live in as a result of my divorce. Or perhaps pictures of the 2 meth labs that exploded down the street from me over the last 2 years. Or maybe I should take some pictures of the drug dealers that deal just a few blocks from my hosue.

Maybe even some bank statements and some of the bounced checks that I racked up after my divorce. Oh wait I know! I can send you a copy of my paystub from my last job that shows your amount is WAY off. Oh and I will include a listing of the credit card companies that came after me and the amounts I owed them along with my ex'es credit cards that were in my name as well.

Will that prove it to you? Or will your slow wit and your lack of intelligence tell you to keep slinging insults at others? Perhaps a lesson in "Thinking before you speak" needs to be addressed on your behalf.
  by: slavefortheman     06/15/2009 07:27 PM     
When the government of a free country is allowed to enforce compulsory service of any kind upon any part of its citizenry, the word free is no longer applicable. The intent of such service or the actual use of same have no relevance to the fact that freedom of choice was removed.

  by: bbeljefe     06/16/2009 05:48 AM     
Yes, and what of it? The fact remains that "not perfectly free" doesn't equal "exterminating undesirable potions of the citizenry."
  by: MomentOfClarity     06/16/2009 09:12 AM     
That's your talking point, not mine. I never made that comparison. Again, I am stating that compulsory service is not constitutional, not that it resembles Nazi Germany.

  by: bbeljefe     06/16/2009 03:31 PM     
No, that's my rebuttal to others' all-too-common talking point. It's too bad you didn't realize it didn't involve you before you responded, since that might've saved us both some time. I'm glad that's all settled.
  by: MomentOfClarity     06/16/2009 06:53 PM     
  Thanks for the clarification, MOC.  
The next time I'm browsing this public forum I'll know not to drop my marbles in the same circle with yours. ;|

  by: bbeljefe     06/17/2009 04:15 AM     
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