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09/02/2009 02:05 AM ID: 80494 Permalink   

CIA Won't Give up Torture Documents


The CIA has said they will not release any more documentation regarding torture because it could threaten national security. In a lawsuit by the ACLU, a federal judge told the CIA they had until Monday to turn the documents over.

Jameel Jaffar said: "The CIA's arguments are utterly disconnected from the Obama administration's stated positions. The agency seems to be disregarding altogether the important policy changes that President Obama announced immediately after he took office."

The CIA also stated that the public only needs to know "historical context" of the supposed torture program.

    WebReporter: willyshawker Show Calling Card      
ASSESS this news: BLOCK this news. Reason:
I hope the people that were unfairly, and I imagine that will be most of them will write, talk and pass on their story, they deserve to be heard and deserve compensated.
  by: captainJane     09/02/2009 02:17 AM     
  well allow me to..  
allow me to fill in some of the blanks...

-battery acid on skin
-battery acid on catheter rape (in additional to old fashioned rape to both men, women, boys and girls)
-hot-box (putting people in shipping containers to live for a peroid of time)
-jumper cable attached to a fully charged battery
-torture involving flourescent tubes
-torture involving needlenose pliers
-torture involving power tools
-torture involving rusty fishing hooks
-torture involving truncheons
-torture involving wire

... and thats just a few of the ones we haven't offically been told about.
  by: HAVOC666     09/02/2009 02:30 AM     
no doubt and who knows what else.

I think the road ends here for this which is a shame but thats how it goes I guess.

The documents probably dont even exist anymore and if taken any further the next step is for someone to disappear
  by: willyshawker     09/02/2009 02:44 AM     
  The Special Prosecutor Has The Authority  
Now to see what he does with it.
  by: ichi     09/02/2009 04:06 AM     
Congress or the President asks for the documents and they refuse to give 'em up, then charge them with treason and be done with it.
  by: velger   09/02/2009 04:41 AM     
  can someone  
clue me in as to why there would be documents? Didn't someone from the CIA think: "hey, we are torturing these people, should we write "and then he drench dude's arm in battery acid" and expect it not to leak?"
  by: nimira     09/02/2009 06:19 AM     
they won't do that if that is attempted people will disappear they know this.

like I said last week this will slowly go away which is a damn shame. I firmly believe the documents have siezed to exist and never will be seen.

This goes beyond the Bush administration for sure
  by: willyshawker     09/02/2009 06:56 AM     
  Uh ...  
Who the hell do these people at the CIA think they are? They should be told to turn over the documents NOW or go to jail. We pay their salaries -- they work for US, not the other way around.
  by: Ben_Reilly     09/02/2009 07:14 AM     
I tried to take your comment seriously but I just couldn't. While you speak the truth you also don't.

This is the corruption I talk about all the time and how back handed these MF'rs are.

I think Obama is the same as all the other ones but the people who think its changed in Washington its about to show it really hasn't

This will be interesting for me because this could sway me to actually be able to stand up for Obama or just keep thinking its the same.

I know whats going to happen though, the Obama admin will step away and try to sweep it queitly under the table.

America is about to see who really run America and the sad news its not the President
  by: willyshawker     09/02/2009 07:25 AM     
in other countries heads are slowly cut off with pocket knifes,drills through knees sex organs mulated and yet not one american yealls torcher. it seems only america can do it. time to knock the crap off and if they can do it, so can we. time we get "equal" rights to get information. time the jerks that say no torcher realize teh life they save by getting information through extreme means just might save their life.
  by: shannon853   09/02/2009 02:50 PM     
are you kidding you want equal "right" to torture?... .. here i got an idea, how about we suspend your ignorant ass 6 inches above 100 candles and see how much you still support torture... hmmm?

you have a sickness in your intellect and the very core of your humanity if you think thats appropiate..

only a sick f**ks supports torture and they should all be rounded up and shot in the head like the rabid animals they are.
  by: HAVOC666     09/02/2009 03:17 PM     
there is no evidence that a tortured prisoner or terrorist ever gave up any information that saved American lives. that was Cheney's propanganda and you fell for it.
  by: John E Angel     09/02/2009 06:43 PM     
  @ shannon  
Don't try and justify your stance in here, they won't listen. But have no fear the CIA will not let them get away with this and anyone here who thinks they won't is just kidding themselves.
  by: snowztorm29     09/02/2009 07:15 PM     
If only these right wingers figured out deeply they've been manipulated...there is no war on terror. It is engineered by the same individuals this article pertains to. This is the agency that holds the biggest and largest amount earth-shaking secrets ever, a virtual black hole of unlimited funds provided by The Federal Reserve, and you think they work for us?
  by: DoubleTake   09/02/2009 09:37 PM     
You are correct, sir. If anything, there is a war against our freedom, not the terrorists. The Bush people did a pretty good head on some of the more gullible people in the US.
  by: John E Angel     09/02/2009 09:47 PM     
  "Checks and balances"  
What, pray tell, doth the glorious infallible constitution sayeth of this?
  by: H. W. Hutchins   09/02/2009 09:54 PM     
It's weird that people like you can be such sick bastards, but still claim moral superiority over everyone else.

If you base your morals on what some sadistic prick in another country does, what does that make you but a sadistic prick?
  by: erasedgod   09/02/2009 09:56 PM     
  I am against torture  
as much as anyone.

However, while everyone bitches about it, has anyone come up with ANYTHING to replace it?

I think it's a safe bet that torture HAS actually saved lives throughout history. If it didn't work, don't you think it would have been put aside thousands of years ago?
  by: elzorro   09/02/2009 10:08 PM     
Normal interrogation (without torture) is a damn good alternative that has been used for just as long with better results.

All torture accomplishes is making the one doing it feel powerful while ensuring that "the bad guys" try a hell of a lot harder not to be captured.
  by: erasedgod   09/02/2009 10:23 PM     
"Didn't work" to what? Make the torturer feel powerful? Make the masses feel good that the "villain" got their come-uppence? Release the aggression of one group against a scapegoat from another? Seems to me there are plenty of reasons people would continue to torture whether it actually achieves the stated purpose or not. Torture isn't some long-lost art that just slipped peoples' minds, it's something people that saw horrible things shunned for being a horrible thing and leading to horrible things. But those horrible things just look so cool to us on the TV, don't they?
  by: MomentOfClarity     09/02/2009 10:41 PM     
"has anyone come up with ANYTHING to replace it?"

inaddition to what erasedgod said,

money... most of these people are dirt poor just trying to provide for their families, even if they die in the process... most of them aren't actually the religious zealots we constantly hear about, and moreover most of the the people that get tortured are innocent anyways.

a $1000 might just be worth some information, and a $1000 will last a VERY long time there... treat it like crime stoppers... pay them based them how valuable and accurate their information is... that would sure cut down on false intelligence from tortured persons, when being tortured most people will say anything that they think they'll believe to stop the torture thats not effective, just sadistic.

perhaps just treating them like human beings might work... it certianly hasn't been tried yet.

torture is like rape, in rape its rarely about having sex, but rather having power.
  by: HAVOC666     09/02/2009 10:41 PM     
"-battery acid on skin
-battery acid on catheter rape (in additional to old fashioned rape to both men, women, boys and girls)
-hot-box (putting people in shipping containers to live for a peroid of time)
-jumper cable attached to a fully charged battery
-torture involving flourescent tubes
-torture involving needlenose pliers
-torture involving power tools
-torture involving rusty fishing hooks
-torture involving truncheons
-torture involving wire

... and thats just a few of the ones we haven't offically been told about."

But you have apparently????? Why release any documents when we have Havoc telling us the inside details.

I'm not saying those things (or worse) did or did not happen. I am leaning toward "probably did" but I just don't like people filling in the blanks from their computer chair.
  by: JStern   09/03/2009 01:42 AM     
  Ok This is Disturbing  
I agree with havoc for the 2nd time this week. I think if you offer cash to many of them with the cash being paid once the information has been verified you would find out more and faster than torture will get the supposed answer.

I know if I was being tortured I would say anything true or not just to have them stop it. I admit I am a wuss when it comes to shit like that.

I also agree with Double Take that the CIA has a hell of a lot more power than many on here are willing to see. I mean we keep changing faces every 4 or 8 years and yet the CIA stays the course. Do we really know who is running this country?
  by: TaraB     09/03/2009 02:56 AM     
  When J. Edgar Hoover Ran The F.B.I.  
He used the information he gained to blackmail incumbent United States Presidents.

Information is power and the ones that gravitate to the leadership of these organizations love power.

This is why these organizations have to be exposed occasionally. You know, to keep them honest.
  by: ichi     09/03/2009 05:18 AM     
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