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09/03/2009 02:11 AM ID: 80508 Permalink   

Male Chicks Killed in Grinder


The Hy-Line hatchery of West Des Moines, Iowa, is showcased in a new video being publicized by the animal rights group named Mercy for Animals. The video shows living male chicks being tossed into a grinder.

Male chicks are undesirable in the hatchery business as they produce no eggs and grow too slowly to be profitable as a meat product. 200 million male chicks are killed yearly. A United Egg Producers spokesman says "...we can find no market, no need."

The Humane Society says that there is no federal law requiring hatcheries to humanely euthanize their animals. Even so, Hy-Line has commented that the video "appears to show an inappropriate action and violation of our animal welfare policies."

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  by: nicohlis     09/03/2009 02:12 AM     
  For those that don’t like this….  
Stop eating eggs produced on ‘factory farms’ where they house birds in cramped cages where they get no fresh air, sunshine, medical care and are fed hormones, antibiotics and dog food. Eat only organic, open air, free range chickens and eggs. I can’t stand ‘factory’ eggs or chicken. If you have ever tasted ‘the real McCoy’ you know the difference. And while your at it, stop eating all the crap beef and pork raised in confinement housing. Shut down the factories, shut down corporate farms. And yes, I am biased, I run an organic farm.
  by: valkyrie123     09/03/2009 03:11 AM     
  I prefer  
Organic free range eggs and chicken here. There is a difference that once you taste the 'real' stuff you dread having to eat or use the factory ones.

I wish I could say that I am eating organic beef and pork, but we do not and in fact rarely eat the hormone fill crap. I can't afford to buy a cow on my own and since I am not working I haven't found anyone to go halves with me on beef. Pork is probably 2-3 times a year when we get a ham I just don't care for the taste of it like I did when I was younger.
  by: TaraB     09/03/2009 03:25 AM     
"free range" usually means chickens crammed into a warehouse without cages, since there isn't really a definite term for "free range". Of course I haven't looked too far into those claims, but I don't find them hard to believe.

Surely it depends on where you live, but I'm willing to bet there are struggling family farms who would love some help keeping the family business afloat with fairly treated eggs and dairy. And starting your own chicken coop is fairly easy and is gaining popularity especially in city/suburb areas.

My question is what do they do with these ground up male chicks?
  by: skittlesloli   09/03/2009 04:01 AM     
I would love to be able to get my hands on some organic beef, chicken, and the like, but it's not exactly something you can pick up in a grocery store around here (living in the city, options are limited)...any ideas would be welcome...

But this meat they package in grocery stores can be package of ground beef I picked up, they ground up some of the bone in too and was definitely not consumable...another one was like half ground sausage (I guess?) and was rotten or something...both bought fresh from the grocery store...and I would hate to know what hormones are still present...I can barely eat meat anymore due to my own paranoia (except for some deer meat my friend gave me recently, really great stuff)
  by: DoubleTake   09/03/2009 04:45 AM     
Okay I have to say this....those animal freak people, like PETA are really a bunch of idiots. Plain and simple. They say the best way to stop this cruelty is to stop eating meat. Ummm thank you for your wise solution. Okay folks please give up on this whole Vegan diet thing. It ain't going to happen. That's your solution to everything. Animals are not as important as humans and humans are going to eat meat. You can't get man to stop blowing up other people let alone not killing animals.

And that Vegan life style, although healthy is more expensive, more time consuming and very inconvenient. Time and money are one thing people ain't got right now. Inconvenience just adds to that mess.

However, this practice is simply disgusting. I was appauled and almost moved to tears. I mean there are 1001 ways to kill something humanely. Of all things to choose they use a grinding machine. Hopefully the poor chicken goes in head first. What a disgusting thing to do.

I wish there was something we can do, besides being a VEGAN, get real. My turning to veganism is not going to stop the other millions.

What happened to the good old way of doing things? My grandma had a farm. Chickens running around the yard living a nice life, laying eggs, being free, having a nice coup, chilling with their chicken friends. I'm all for the circle of life bit but this cruel treatment is horrible.

  by: themightyflog   09/03/2009 04:55 AM     
it's ok to grind up baby chicks but to torcher an enemy is inhumane.. what's wrong with this picture??
  by: shannon853   09/03/2009 04:57 AM     
A vegan lifestyle doesn't have to be time consuming, nor expensive.
Trust me, I was like you, I thought it would be incredibly expensive and inconvenient, however this was not (and is not) the case. Granted, I still eat some dairy, though I buy organic dairy products that (I trust) has been raised in a humane way. At restaurants I end up paying less than my meat eating friends and I usually get extra sides.

I think that everyone on earth knows that you will not be able to stop every person from eating meat. I don't think there is anyone who would deny this fact. However, there are ways we can reduce this inhumane treatment by not supporting them financially or simply halting our support of all of the practices (I'm vegetarian because its better for the environment moreso than because of the animals).

We don't need to eat as much meat as we do, three meals a day do not need to be stuffed with chicken, beef and pork.
If anything, putting your money towards meat that wasn't raised in a factory farm will make a load of difference, and I think thats the realistic goal.

I'm glad we agree to something though, this particular practice is disgusting.
  by: skittlesloli   09/03/2009 06:00 AM     
  Dead is dead.  
It is part of the business. If you eat meat, wear leather, etc. animals will die. That's the way it has been for thousands of years. Deal with it.
  by: walter3ca   09/03/2009 06:26 AM     
Maybe they should invest some money into genetic research to produce hens that only produce more hens.
  by: ronny_cordova   09/03/2009 07:26 AM     
Being killed is one thing, but there's no need to do kill them using such an inhumane method.
  by: agnaram   09/03/2009 02:36 PM     
  Being a hypocrite...  
I do still eat processed meat, but I'm trying to cut back and eat more raw foods/veggies. The whole factory farming thing is appalling, and this process of grinding up living baby chickens is probably the tip of the iceberg when it comes to atrocities preformed by these companies. Ethics apparently have no place in the corporate world as we see time and time again. The only reason they would change this practice is if enough people were offended by it to affect sales.

@themightyflog: "Animals are not as important as humans and humans are going to eat meat."

Humans are animals, both literally and figuratively. Which animals are more important than other animals is a matter of perspective.

@shannon853: "'s ok to grind up baby chicks but to torcher an enemy is inhumane.. what's wrong with this picture??"

Well I.... wait what?!?!? Are you off your meds dear? I didn't see anyone on here advocating grinding up baby chicks or using "torcher" on enemies. I think you may still be riled up from a previous thread.

  by: spiggy   09/03/2009 03:08 PM     
Glad to see I wasn't the only one confused by Shannon853's comment lol.
  by: agnaram   09/03/2009 03:32 PM     
so if you were to die, you wouldn't care whether you were to be, say, shot in the head, or tossed live into a grinder?
  by: gryphon50a   09/03/2009 05:44 PM     
is a disgusting solution, what i don't say.
  by: vizhatlan     09/03/2009 06:08 PM     
  Wacky Idea  
Not here to debate the vegan vs Carnivore diet thing and putting that aside I came up with well what I thought might be at least a somewhat less cruel idea and will actually benefit people.

Sinice these male chicks are undesirable as market meat here in the US. Why not send these chicks to 3rd world countries for food. I am sure there are some hungry people out there that would give their left arm for a little bit tougher chicken meat rather than starving. Hell the average chicken can feed 4 people when full grown times 200 million thats a lot of full stomachs. I dont know just a crazy idea I guess
  by: truhawg   09/03/2009 06:15 PM     
I think I learned about this practice by watching a certain episode of Family Guy...

I'm all for animal rights, but it amuses me that so many people get in an uproar over stuff like this, but ignore MUCH bigger problems in the world.
  by: LhiannanShee   09/03/2009 06:56 PM     
  by: agnaram   09/03/2009 07:10 PM     
Sorry, didn't realise the submit button had focus and pressed enter :/.

I'm pretty sure peope aren't exclusive to just one thing. Just because people get in an uproar about this, doesn't mean they're not concerned about other things, surely?
  by: agnaram   09/03/2009 07:11 PM     
  I knew I'd be sorry when I clicked this link.  
And by god I was right.
  by: VermiciousG     09/03/2009 09:09 PM     
  Over population  
In my view, all of this horrible industrial production of food, and it's not limited to chickens, it's everything we eat, it's all down to the ridiculous over population of the planet by human beings. Everything else in nature, if it's predatory, catches its prey out there in nature. The prey has a free and natural life before becoming food. Humans require industrial food generation because there are so many of us, without it a great many would starve. It's worth saying at this point, that a great many starve anyway, but that has more to do with politics, geography and the 'social order' currently in place.

At some point people may wake up and realise that the constant rapid expansion of the species cannot be supported by the planet we live on, it's a physical thing, resources are finite, fact. Who knows, maybe those in charge already have. The reality is that there's very little recourse to limit human population growth, any measures deemed too draconian would see the leadership implementing them overthrown.

I'm not condoning this practice, given the choice I'd be eating good organic produce from Valk in a heartbeat. However the reality is that this is a symptom, not the problem itself. It's a symptom of something that I personally can't see any solution to.

It is worth keeping in mind that those who are doing this actually have to, there's no way round it. Either we stop reproducing or we accept that this is part of the reality of keeping us all here.

PETA and their ilk might do well to go visit the slums of a developing nation as watch how, without adequate food, human beings starve to death every day. It's not about morals for some people, it's about living to see the next day.
  by: Maxx20     09/03/2009 10:55 PM     
I'm all for the whole organic food thing and treating animals as humanely as possible what not. This is completely appauling. As far as being vegan goes, we have canines, end of story. We're meat eaters. Omnivores really.

Animals eat each other, we are animals, we eat animals too. We're just smart enough to do so without putting our asses on the line during the hunt.
  by: jonnysodoff   09/04/2009 12:54 AM     
  Male chicks  
The male chicks are probably used as feed for the surviving females. Like a little 'soylent pale yellow' conveyor belt.

That's the only reason I can think of for being ground up as opposed to more 'efficient' ways to dispose of them. These people and companies are all about making a buck.

  by: jbloodthorn   09/04/2009 02:45 AM     
  Pretty much..  
What Maxx said..

This goes for people supporting small business, hating on Walmart, and the Chick grinder.

You're not going to be able to feed the world and meet everyone's demands with mom and pop shops and organic farms as population and city sizes grow.

I'm not saying any of these people are wrong, but with the direction of the world, they wont be viable...
  by: Pyronius     09/04/2009 10:33 AM     
  From Hy-Line Site  
Values listed on their site:

The Hy-Line International team embraces a set of common values:

* Integrity and honesty with everyone
* Hard work in the pursuit of quality and excellence
* Diversity and cooperation across international boundaries
* Cross functional teamwork to solve problems
* Stewardship and welfare of our animals and the environment
* Confidence in the performance of our breeds
* Passion about listening to and serving our customers
* Innovation and creativity in everything we do
* Resilience and resourcefulness
  by: nebraskahickchic     09/04/2009 07:28 PM     
  No room for mom and pop?  
New Seasons Market is a fine example of a mom and pop shop that succeeded. They support small local farmers for organic produce and meat and we're growing every year (at the rate of about one store per year too, though the economy has two of our new stores postponed till next year).
These small organic farmers actually provide us with a majority of the produce that we sell to the public and we're usually cheaper than shopping at places like Albertsons and Safeway (since they dramatically overprice their organic foods). These farmers are seeing more and more profit and they can even expand their farms due to the local support. They only seem non-viable because people are too cheap to let them be viable.

There is plenty of room for eating meat and our large population too, our population just needs to get over the idea that you NEED to eat meat at every meal and in large quantities. People in the developed world should stop eating so much non-organic and inhumanely-treated meat. Just because you have 4 whole canines doesn't mean you need 8+ ounces of meat at every meal every day, you wont suddenly turn into a malnourished waif if you cut down on how much you're eating.

My grandmother grew up in the great depression (as I'm sure many of our grandparents did) and she was mostly vegetarian the whole time. Why is this when she needed to survive? Well, meat is a luxury that most families couldn't afford, they realized they didn't need meat to survive, no matter how their teeth looked (you know, having a whole 4 canines), and she lived a pretty healthy life (compared to others) through that time without it and saved what little money she had.

If you're struggling with money, you're better off cutting some or all meat from your diet than you are sacrificing fruits and veggies in your pursuit for a cheap steak. Tofu is cheap, Tofurky dogs are not, You don't need to eat fake meat and cheese in order to get good/healthy food without meat.

Even if I was eating meat and I was on my last dime, I'd rather spend it on a slightly more expensive part of organic and humanely treated meat than a whole pound of god-knows-what.

Maybe that's just me though.
  by: skittlesloli   09/05/2009 09:03 PM     
  /cheer @skittlesloli  
I have a friend that raises chickens now, hopefully soon I'll be able to buy eggs from her instead of the supermarket.

As skittlesloli said, there is no need to have a huge portion of meat with every meal. And the money you save by not buying a ton of meat is more than enough to buy good organic food from a local farmers market.

I'd love to be able to go veg, but it's just not for me. I only eat meat/eggs a couple of times a week now though. In the right proportions even. As in, a serving of meat is the size of a deck of playing cards.
  by: jbloodthorn   09/05/2009 09:12 PM     
  I would most..  
happily grind their little pee tubes and leave them to live, then to keep them clean throw hot salt and chilled water on the filthy hogs.

Yep, slighted aggravated by this story, and that is putting it mildly.
  by: captainJane     09/05/2009 10:47 PM     
Note to self: Never piss off a Welsh woman.
  by: VermiciousG     09/05/2009 11:32 PM     
  @ VG  
Pee, they would scream like hell to even attempt one of those, with my adding more chillies before they had a chance.
@Walter. Get to the back of the room and hold on tight to your crotch mate. I am not very happy with you right now!
  by: captainJane     09/05/2009 11:43 PM     
  I get  
that they need a way to eliminate the chicks but why not put them in a room full of CO2 or something? there has to be a better way than grinding them up alive.
  by: RyanB     09/06/2009 03:45 AM     
  just give them away  
Quick resolution to the problem.
Supply the boy chickens to people without food. Make it a giant tax cut.
  by: themightyflog   09/06/2009 05:33 PM     
  I am still...  
mad about this one.

These male birds can be used in stews and curries.
Why do they have to be so freaking cruel?

@ themightyflog

That is not such a bad idea at all.
  by: captainJane     09/09/2009 08:33 PM     
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