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09/09/2009 06:07 AM ID: 80589 Permalink   

Some Democrats Say "No" to Reform

 

23 Democrats have stated to the media and constituents that they will not vote for President Obama's healthcare plan. Speaker Nancy Pelosi can only afford to lose 38 members if the republicans decide to keep their word and vote against it.

Democrats who are opposed against healthcare reform say it costs too much, will raise taxes, and fine businesses who don't offer insurance. Other Democrats who have been given criticism at town hall meetings are still undecided.

On the flip side, at least 60 liberal democrats have said they will vote against a healthcare reform bill without the public option.

 
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including the democrats who will vote no.

This is a link from a republican news site http://townhall.com/...

Some very distrubing things there that I dont like such as fineing people who dont have health insurance making it mandatory like car insurance. I dont agree with those things at all
 
  by: willyshawker     09/09/2009 06:12 AM     
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"Others, such as Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), say they can’t support the bill “in its current form.” The bill is widely expected to change before it goes to the House floor, but if Pelosi keeps the public option in the bill, many centrists will see it as a left-leaning bill."

He's smart
 
  by: t-bagger   09/09/2009 06:23 AM     
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Cowards.
 
  by: jamesmc   09/09/2009 06:50 AM     
  @jame  
 
how can you call them cowards if that what they really believe. Just becuase you are a democrat doesnt mean you have to agree with everything democrats do same goes w/republicans, indepentdents and anyone else
 
  by: willyshawker     09/09/2009 06:51 AM     
  Most of them  
 
... get big campaign donations from the health insurance industry. This has been covered a lot.

I'm not too mad about it, though. I was reading the other day where Obama's health reform plans without the public option are very similar to the universal health care system they passed in Massachusetts when Mitt Romney was governor. That plan is very popular in Massachusetts now, approval ratings in the 80s. This is probably going to be what ends up happening nationally, and most people are going to love it.

Willy, here's why we should all be required to carry health insurance. If someone without insurance is hit by a bus, everyone's tax dollars are going to foot the entire (astronomical) bill for the emergency room. That's simply irresponsible, and it's a big part of why health care costs keep going up and up. You wouldn't drive without auto insurance -- it's simply irresponsible, and you could financially devastate someone (I know, because I got hit by an uninsured drunk driver about six years ago). Carrying health insurance means we're not stuck with your ER bill, and it should be mandatory.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     09/09/2009 07:14 AM     
  Ben thats debatable  
 
depending on your beliefs. While I see what your saying what about the guy who cant afford health insurance it will still happen or the guy who can but doesnt want it and doesnt believe the government should be in the health insurance business.

While it may sound dumb its a possibility. What about the company who has a slim bottom line and offering insurance will put him in the red? Thats not very fair to fine that guy is it?

Your going to fine the person who cant afford it? Doesn't sound very smart now he is in a postition where he has to pay a fine he has no money for and he still doesnt have health insurance?


Ben in your case were you where hit by an uninsured driver does your insurance company have an uninsured driver thing attacked to your insurance if so you got screwed. I to had an accident w/an unisured driver and my insurance company Nationwide payed for everything.

You say we arent stuck with the unisured persons bill but wouldnt universal health care come out of the taxpayers pocket anyway (say what they want taxes will get raised for it eventually).

 
  by: willyshawker     09/09/2009 07:34 AM     
  @willy  
 
Well, it comes down to, would you rather your taxes go up by a few hundred a year to help pay for the public option, or would you rather see the current system continue to double costs every decade? From what I understand, the public option will still charge premiums and co-pays -- its affordability will come from it being a non-profit.

Right now, for every dollar spent on health care in this country, about 30 cents goes to overhead and profit. That's extremely wasteful.

But you should check out more about the "Romneycare" plan I was talking about:

" "You don't have to have a public option," Romney said. "You don't have to have the government getting into the insurance business to make it work."

Three years after enacting its own version of reform, Massachusetts now has near-universal coverage.

Taxpayer watchdogs say it's affordable.

"There is this widespread assumption, that is treated as fact, that it's breaking the bank in Massachusetts ... it's not breaking the bank at all." said Michael Widmer of Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation.

And health care experts say it's popular.

"Seven in 10 people in the state support the program, and no more than one in 10 would repeal it." said Robert Blendon with the Harvard University School of Public Health."

http://www.cnn.com/...
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     09/09/2009 07:48 AM     
  @ben reilly  
 
Obama's health reform plans without the public option are very similar to the universal health care system they passed in Massachusetts when Mitt Romney was governor. That plan is very popular in Massachusetts now, approval ratings in the 80s. This is probably going to be what ends up happening nationally, and most people are going to love it.


Your right about one thing Ben,it is probably going to be what ends up happening nationally

Edumacate yourself Ben,

http://www.nytimes.com/...


http://www.boston.com/...



http://www.nytimes.com/...



http://www.foxnews.com/...

If you need anymore let me know.
 
  by: hellblazer     09/10/2009 08:13 PM     
  @hellblazer  
 
Thanks for the info -- clearly, we must have a government-run insurance program, the public option, competing against private insurance to help keep those costs low.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     09/10/2009 08:30 PM     
 
 
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