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10/26/2009 12:35 PM ID: 81375 Permalink   

Let Arabs Develop Nukes or Disarm Israel, Says Gaddafi

 

Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader has declared that Arab states should be permitted to develop nuclear weapons while the state of Israel retains its nuclear capabilities.

The Libyan leader told reporters "If the Israelis have the nuclear weapons and the nuclear capabilities, then it is the right of the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Saudis to have the same" he went on to include the Palestinians in his assertion.

Gaddafi stated that if this was not an acceptable idea the only alternative was to disarm Israel of its nuclear arsenal which is estimated to hold between 100 and 200 nuclear warheads .

 
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  Sounds Fair  
 
Then the Arab states can´t complain. Just let Israel ´BORROW´ a few of ours. Problem solved.
 
  by: OrIgInAl_ThOuGhT   10/26/2009 01:18 PM     
  Hrmm...  
 
"Gaddafi stated that if this was not an acceptable idea the only alternative was"...

Only alternative in his mind is far different from the alternatives left open in reality.

Increasing the number of religious zealots with nuke capabilities definately is not on the list of things to do...be they Muslim, Jewish, or old school republican Xians...it´s scary for anyone just waiting for death for the blissful ever after to have any capabilities with that power.
 
  by: Pyronius     10/26/2009 02:13 PM     
  @ All  
 
We can´t sit here and say that Iranians can´t have nuclear capabilities when Israel refuses to allow UN Inspectors into their facilities. I for one welcome another country into the nuclear field, maybe a little balancing of power is needed in this world. For too long have the "good guys" had all the power.
 
  by: modom56k   10/26/2009 02:29 PM     
  @modom  
 
I wouldn´t welcome anymore nukes into the field, I´d much rather have it the other way...

The fact that they are pointing out Israel in specific, instead of everyone else that has nukes... lets you know specifically where those nukes are going to go once they make them.
 
  by: Pyronius     10/26/2009 02:42 PM     
  @Pyronius  
 
I don´t like it anymore than the next person. But we will not get rid of the nukes as long as the world is ruled by the few.
 
  by: modom56k   10/26/2009 02:47 PM     
  @Modom  
 
Still no reason for everyone to have them...think of nukes as mousetraps with ping pong balls on them.... a room with 10 in it and one getting snapped... small risk of chain reaction...

A room completely filled with them...well one goes off, most all are going to..

Granted the US probably has enough to fill a room itself, it´s highly doubtful that room would ever be unleashed.
 
  by: Pyronius     10/26/2009 04:13 PM     
  Huh..  
 
Israel has never promised to wipe out any of it neighboring countries. All the Muslim countries are in constant state of perpetual warfare. Just look at Pakistan. Do we really want another Pakistan?
 
  by: steme   10/26/2009 04:30 PM     
  I agree but....  
 
my first choice would be disarming Israel before arming the other Arab states with nukes. Most of them I fear would not even hesitate to use them and pollute the world with radiation and kill the rest of us. The rest of the world does not deserve to be the collateral damage of these asshats.
 
  by: valkyrie123     10/26/2009 04:32 PM     
  @steme  
 
Israel has in fact wiped Palestine off the map . Unless you can find it somewhere .
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     10/26/2009 04:37 PM     
  Hugo  
 
Can you show me a map where Palestine ever did exist? I know in your fairy tale world countries get created because its the peachy thing to do. But every other country in existence was founded upon some bloodshed. Not to mention the fact the "Palestinians" rejected the UN partition and declared to fight the jews till the end.
 
  by: steme   10/26/2009 04:57 PM     
  I´ll Just Say This...  
 
Maybe the world needs a few nukes going off to get people to realize that this way is the wrong way.

And I´d rather go via nuke than in the zombie aftermath.
 
  by: modom56k   10/26/2009 04:59 PM     
  @Pyronius/Valkyrie123  
 
Pyronius- I think you are dead on. It is illogical to add nuclear weapons to the picture when the goal of the President of the USA is nuclear disarmament world wide.

Valkyrie123- I also think you are absolutely correct in your assumption that some of the arab states would use nuclear weapons if they were to have access to them. Iran for example I feel would be more than willing to fire a nuclear weapon, as their "president" has said Israel needs to be wiped off the map.

personally I think complete nuclear disarmament is a great goal, and one worth working toward.
 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/26/2009 05:12 PM     
  @Pyronius  
 
So, in effect, you agree with Gaddafi in saying that the best solution would be to disarm Israel.
Gaddafi is saying that we should either arm or disarm both parties.
 
  by: Ec5618   10/26/2009 05:25 PM     
  This From A Terrorist Country  
 
We haven´t forgotten the bombing of the passenger jet in Lockerbie Scotland, or the heroes welcome the bomber received.
Muammar´s credibility is just a little shy of zero.


Terrorists with nukes, brilliant idea.
 
  by: ichi     10/26/2009 05:37 PM     
  @steme  
 
if you use your google you can come up with plenty of maps and stuff like this .


That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Palestine was a State even in My Grandmother’s life time. Of all the Jewish Prime Ministers only one has ever actually been born in Israel.

Even in Biblical times Jews never made up more than 3% of the population. Palestine is pronounced Falestine, if you go there no one says Palestine. It comes from the word Philistine you know the people the Jews were always writing about killing in the Bible. Note the Story of Samson who supposedly killed 1,000 Philistines with the jawbone of a donkey before a woman Delilah tricked him and cut off his magical hair which gave him super strength.

Yes, I am not making that up.
----------------------

Here´s another answer to the question "Did Palestine ever exist" from yahoo.com

Of COURSE it did, Hon. Only the Zionists maintain that Palestine never existed.
I´m the owner of a vintage World Atlas, circa 1942, and there it is...exactly where "Israel" lies today. "Palestine", plain as day.
Anybody wanna argue with Rand-McNally?


http://www.youtube.com/...
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     10/26/2009 05:37 PM     
  @pyronus , steme, soulserenity  
 
"Granted the US probably has enough to fill a room itself,"

and russia too.. they´re *supposed* to be about equal now with gradual arms reductions.

"it´s highly doubtful that room would ever be unleashed."

they´re the ONLY one that EVER has... why do people always forget that?


@steme

"Israel has never promised to wipe out any of it neighboring countries."

have have near completely wiped out palestine even without them... that was and is politicide... and the world allows it.

they have threatened iran with "all military options" (they are the only middle eastern nuclear power; pakistan isn´t a middle eastern country)

"All the Muslim countries are in constant state of perpetual warfare. Just look at Pakistan. Do we really want another Pakistan?"

and weastern countries aren´t... the US has spent more time in war than virtually any country in the last 200 years

"Can you show me a map where Palestine ever did exist?"

try a map made before israel existed... the palestinian lived their for 2000-3000 alone s their own country under many empires (as was the whole continent) but was ALWAYS its own country until israel was place on the map after WW2.

just where exactly did you think that land and those people came from before 1946/1947?


@soulserenity
" It is illogical to add nuclear weapons to the picture when the goal of the President of the USA is nuclear disarmament world wide"

as long as they still have the most and only their allies have them.

"Iran for example I feel would be more than willing to fire a nuclear weapon, as their "president" has said Israel needs to be wiped off the map."

he was refering to MAPS litterally as in israel as a country never should have existed... and he´s absolutely right... its palestine, palesitinia, its gone by a few name variations but has ALWAYS been the palestinians country... until the politicide by israel supported by the US.

"personally I think complete nuclear disarmament is a great goal, and one worth working toward."

i absolutely agree, though as long as countries like the US, Israel (passively mostly internationally by massive lobbying), the former british empire, spanish empire want to litterally rule/control the world... under that scenerio there will ALWAYS be nukes or some other superweapons much of them in their hands as well as their allies and a few in the place that they don´t control or political/economic influence.
 
  by: HAVOC666     10/26/2009 05:45 PM     
  Huh?  
 
Can you guys show me these maps you speak of? I shouldn´t have to do the research for you.
 
  by: steme   10/26/2009 07:00 PM     
  Just Stupid  
 
Foe all its faults Israel is a democracy with nukes,most Muslim states are dictatorships,and Muammar Gaddaf (dictator) wants the other dictators too have these hellish weapons,and you fruitloops here want them too have them,what scares me is that most of you have the vote,if these nuts had them they would use them make no mistake about it people,wake up and smell the coffee,these are religious zealots and too use them will be the will of God,so you nutters here who thinks the sun shines out of these idiots butt hole,try waking down one of their streets ,you wouldn´t last 2 minutes before you are taken,and there will be nothing you can do about it.
 
  by: Jammy-Doger   10/26/2009 07:11 PM     
  @Ichi  
 
You are right about terrorist having Nuclear weapons. So why is it USA and Israel, still have them?

Why Obama declared "Dont Ask Dont tell policy" still stays http://www.shortnews.com/...

Why some members of the families in Lockerbie Bombing, say, The Libyan Pariah was not responsible for these bombings?
Then a Question comes. Who gives you the right to call others Terorrist?
No pun intended. If you can answer these questions please SIR.

http://edition.cnn.com/...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

FACTS sir FACT..
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/26/2009 07:36 PM     
  FOR  
 
all those who say. "These Terrorists, should not have them" I really wonder what part of you said that?

To accept someone to have nukes and the one not to have them, makes me think.... Ahhhh!! OK and the purpose of one having them would be??

Besides that. Fact is USA has already used them !!! Can anyone deny that? can anyone also deny, the fact that USA is offering Nukes to Israel, is there a reason to allow Israel to have them? Oh yea because Arabs said they want to annihilate Israel.. I forgot about that. BAH :( there is no end to this BIAS, but I, as much as, I dont want anyone to have them, for the sake of this argument I will quote Gaddafi´s for onc right comment.

"If the Israelis have the nuclear weapons and the nuclear capabilities, then it is the right of the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Saudis to have the same" Arab states should be permitted to develop nuclear weapons while the state of Israel retains its nuclear capabilities. Either we have them, or We dont. No one has the right of exclusivity to be able to kill us all, we should all have the right to BEAR ARMS.. Seriously.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/26/2009 07:45 PM     
  @steme  
 
Why don´t you just type "map of Palestine" into Google

http://domino.un.org/...


there´s thousands of them out there
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     10/26/2009 07:45 PM     
  skcusswentrohs Let Muammar Answer  
 
Addressing the Organization of Non-Aligned States in September 1986, Qaddafi declared: "I will do everything in my power to divide the world into imperialists and freedom-fighters." Any violent action against one of the "imperialist" states is just and welcome. Those perpetrating these attacks are not "terrorists".



 
  by: ichi     10/26/2009 07:57 PM     
  n/t  
 
I never really thought about it before, but Jesus was a Palestinian.
 
  by: Lurker     10/26/2009 08:04 PM     
  @lurker  
 
you mean a tree hugging terrorist Liberal ...
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     10/26/2009 08:06 PM     
  BTW  
 
What Gadaffi said is on par with public opinion in the US and Iran for that matter ie make the whole area a nuke free zone.
Of course if you word it the other way it doesn´t sound so good.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     10/26/2009 08:08 PM     
  @Havoc  
 
""it´s highly doubtful that room would ever be unleashed."

they´re the ONLY one that EVER has... why do people always forget that?"

We don´t forget it. The fact is moot.

It was used at a time without threat of global annihilation from it. There were no other moustraps in the room to set off.

You accuse the US of trying to take over and control the world, and then support the idea that the US would destroy it...

Your contradictory anti US propaganda has turned into little more than 3 extra spins of the scroll wheel to a good chunk of people for a numerous amount of articles.



 
  by: Pyronius     10/26/2009 08:18 PM     
  @ this story  
 
You never hear any of the ´civil´ counties threatening others with nukes.

Yet you hear it from the crazy dirt hole countries, and we should let them have nukes why?
 
  by: juggalotoka   10/26/2009 09:38 PM     
  @Ichi  
 
"States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic."

Who is Terrorist? Where are WMD? Who has WMD? Who is giving out WMD? Who Makes WMD?

And since this speech, who is still conducting raids and killing civilians in groves? Which people have been dissensitized, that it was OK. Yes OK, to watch Tomahawk missiles fall on human beings ON CNN, illegally, while they cheered every thud?

This man was on the LIST as a terrorist http://www.usatoday.com/...

Sir. If you fail to see wrongs, simply because they are committed by one of yours, it takes you out of being a JUST human being. Becareful who you call terrorist, because oneday your children will be reminded of atrocities your nation has brought on people. Including its own citizens.

If you simply sitdown and watch speeches and agree, others being dupped inhumanely, and all you do is nod your head with YAY, remember the cause to this mayhem, the world is facing.

Now may I ask you again please. Answer the previous question and the ones added.

"Aluta Continua" until we are all free.
~Samora Machel~

 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/26/2009 09:48 PM     
  @juggalotoka  
 
I think you´ll find the USA dropped 2 on Japan if you Google hard enough. Oh and Thatcher threatened the French into handing over missile codes or she said she would be forced to Nuke Buenos Aires during the Falklands War

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     10/26/2009 09:54 PM     
  @pyronius  
 
"it was used at a time without threat of global annihilation from it. There were no other moustraps in the room to set off."

so now your justify the use of wmd´s because no-one else had them... thats absurd.

"You accuse the US of trying to take over and control the world, and then support the idea that the US would destroy it...

Your contradictory anti US propaganda has turned into little more than 3 extra spins of the scroll wheel to a good chunk of people for a numerous amount of articles."

there nothing contradictory about it ... the US HAS USED NUKES.... they are the ONLY country to EVER use them as a weapon (yet it still perfectly acceptable for them to have the largest stockpile of them), and via war and fostering negative political tensions at virtually all times they ARE already destroying the world (atleast the part that aren´t controlled by them)... one country at a time... or in this case 3 (iraq, aghanistan and pakistan; albeit the latter is unofficial).
 
  by: HAVOC666     10/26/2009 10:06 PM     
  Lets face it  
 
The Palestinians live in apartheid conditions and have had their country stolen from under them. The US can´t influence the middle east without Israel, and they do the dirty work we can´t be associated with. Sell them all nukes and let the chips fall where they may. Its been heard that ex-Mossad used to slip across the border and exterminate, Families, because they are conditioned that the Palestinians are sub human, like animals. Just like Black Americans were thought of and still thought of today. Its racism pure and simple.
 
  by: OrIgInAl_ThOuGhT   10/26/2009 10:51 PM     
  @Pyronius  
 
"Your contradictory anti US propaganda has turned into little more than 3 extra spins of the scroll wheel to a good chunk of people for a numerous amount of articles."

- Perfect. Absolutely perfect.
 
  by: nicohlis     10/27/2009 12:09 AM     
  sounds  
 
fair to me
 
  by: willyshawker     10/27/2009 12:43 AM     
  @HAVOC  
 
@soulserenity
"It is illogical to add nuclear weapons to the picture when the goal of the President of the USA is nuclear disarmament world wide"

"as long as they still have the most and only their allies have them."-Havoc

I Don´t understand your logic here. You have said things very similar to this in past threads. Do you honestly expect the USA and it´s allies to destroy their nuclear arsenals first? That is completely illogical. It would leave those countries in a defensless state. The nuclear disarmament is going to be a scaled drawdown brought about by diplomatic means. But rather than do that, you would rather more nuclear weapons brought into an already unstable reason beause one side has them and the other doesn´t.


"Iran for example I feel would be more than willing to fire a nuclear weapon, as their "president" has said Israel needs to be wiped off the map."-Soul

"he was refering to MAPS litterally as in israel as a country never should have existed... and he´s absolutely right..." -Havoc

You can keep telling yourself that, but the fact is, he was talking about the destruction of Israel, not maps. He has openly stated that if he were to have the means, he would destroy Israel, as well as the United States. Your Anti-American sentiment seems to be clouding your common sense.
 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/27/2009 07:16 AM     
  @Soul  
 
" he was talking about the destruction of Israel, not maps."
You mean like this.
http://www.shortnews.com/...
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/27/2009 01:30 PM     
  The reason  
 
Isreal has nukes is they are more or less a stable country. They won´t nuke anyone (i´d have to say thats more of a maybe). If we give an arab country a nuke they will use it once they feel even slightly provoked. Probably the end case to this scenario is some guy has a bomb and he´ll drop it if some country dosn´t surrender.
 
  by: Torenso   10/28/2009 08:13 AM     
  The reason Israel has nukes  
 
is ´cos we sold them everything anyway, from gunships, missiles, bodyarmor. I think one of the only piece of tech they own is an armored-bulldozer... you know to destroy Palestinian home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...


That and the fact we have powerful jewish lobbies in Washington.
 
  by: redstain   10/28/2009 09:16 AM     
  Just NUKE Israel.  
 
Enough said.

-np-
 
  by: NicPre     10/28/2009 10:28 PM     
  skuss, No Where Do I Exempt The U.S. From Blame  
 
I just state that Libya is a terrorist nation, or at least was, by Gaddafi´s own words. SSSSIIIIRRRR please do not put words in my mouth. I distrust them all, but I really have no trust in this crazy bugger.
 
  by: ichi     10/28/2009 10:48 PM     
  @skuss  
 
Talking about a retalitory strike on Iran for an unprovoked attack on an ally, even if we would "totally obliterate" them, is not the same thing as discussing the destruction of an entire country because of Iran´s "president´s" obvious racisim against members of the Jewish faith, and his extremist views/goals. Iran is a terrorist breeding ground, and would like nothing more than to it´s hands on a nuclear weapon to impose their extremist ways on other countries. Furthermore, IMO the second they got their hands on a nuclear warhead, that warhead would be used without provocation, starting WWIII.

nice try though...
 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/30/2009 07:28 AM     
  @Ichi  
 
even with your correction, you are still bias profoundly. Fact of the matter is, Gaddafi said it openly, what he was aiming to achieve. Unfortunately you cant seem to understand why?

Samora Machel, Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko, and at once Ghandi. They were all terrorists. But according to whom?

Your country and mine are constantly operating clandestine operations, from ethnic cleansing to genocide. Uk government had their hands buried in Africas orifice, that no matter how they try to wash it, they will fail.

· 4 Heads of State assassinated in the francophone African Great Lakes Region.
· 2,000,000 people died in Hutu and Tutsi genocides in Rwanda, Burundi and RD.Congo.
· 600,000 Hutu refugees killed in R.D.Congo, Uganda, Central African Republic and Rep of Congo.
· 6,000,000 Congolese dead.
· 8,000,000 internal displaced people in Rwanda, Burundi and DR. Congo.
· 500,000 permanent Rwandan and Burundian Hutu refugees, and Congolese refugees around the world.
· English language expansion to Rwanda to replace the French language.
· 20,000 Kagame’s fighters paid salaries from the British Budget Support from 1986 to present.
· £500,000 of British taxpayer’s money paid, so far, to Kagame and his cronies through the budget support, SWAPs, Tutsi-dominated parliament, consultancy, British and Tutsi-owned NGOs.
· Kagame has paid back the British aid received to invade Rwanda and to strengthen his political power by joining the East African Community together with Burundi, joining the Commonwealth, imposing the English Language to Rwandans to replace the French language; helping the British to establish businesses and to access to jobs in Rwanda, and to exploit minerals in D.R.Congo.

If you think that, we call others savages, and terrorist, because of their traits, think again.

Here is the source for UK´s political agenda. http://www.conservatives.com/...

Once again in someone elses backyard, they may not have Oil, but Congo is literally swimming in Minerals.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/30/2009 02:23 PM     
  Right...  
 
and so they should have the right. No one is stopping Israel.
 
  by: captainJane     10/30/2009 03:16 PM     
 
 
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