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10/28/2009 01:46 AM ID: 81408 Permalink   

Teen Converted To Christianity From Islam Returned to Ohio


Rifqa Bary, 17, ran away from her parents in Ohio after she claimed her father threatened to kill her for converting to Christianity. The teen found shelter with a Sarasota, FL minister and then a foster home until the courts heard her claim.

Rifqa stated in court papers that her father said to her "If you have this Jesus in your heart, you are dead to me." and then said "I will kill you." The judge decided that once her immigration status was confirmed that her case be moved to Ohio.

Mohamed Bary denies the threat and said that he and his wife were well aware of her activities in Christianity and didn't mind it at all. He admits that he prefers her practicing Islam, but says "I have no problem with her practicing any faith."

    WebReporter: TaraB Show Calling Card      
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  Well, he shouldn´t have any problems  
with here being a christian seeing as the only real difference in the two religions is the language of translation.

  by: bbeljefe     10/28/2009 02:27 AM     
I really struggled with the title and wished I could have somehow put runaway in it. From what I have read I wasn´t able to guess on if he did or didn´t threaten her. There have been honor killings from everything to dating a black man who didn´t have any religion, become too American, having a job so I can see something like this happening. The only problem is that he warned her he was going to kill her and the other cases it wasn´t said until right before others were killed.

I can also see,depending on which sect, some of the followers encouraging her to run away and that her father would kill her if she stayed with her parents. I couldn´t find anything about how she knew which minister to run to, I think that would show a little more information.

She is 17 and before the slow moving and over worked justice system won´t have a decision make until after she is 18 and free to go back to FL. The next time someone compains to me that the church has lost so much of it´s power I will direct them to this.

By the way if this was reversed, let´s use the minister´s daughter as an example, would convert to Islam and then take off to find cover with a muslim family woo lawdy watch the fur fly and everyone shouting hole hell over that.
  by: TaraB     10/28/2009 03:07 AM     
  True, Tara.  
To any reasonable person, it´s clear the differences between these two religions are only the language of their respective scriptures and the resistance to their oppressive teachings.

  by: bbeljefe     10/28/2009 04:31 AM     
I don´t doubt it, I just wish we would have had all the actual works and had them translated correctly because I think a lot of things would be very different. In a very quick thing here with no supporting links only my dying brain something struck me the other night and it wasn´t a stray pot or pan.
Jews believed the messiah would come, Muhammed was there for Islam and Jesus was born in Christianity. Three religions and 3 sets of a God+a young man who comes and spread the word. IF some were right and Jesus never died and instead went to go live with Mary Magdalane and his mother in France then that would change some things. Messiah was Jesus since he didn´t die but still fufilled the prophecy, Jesus didn´t die but his works were handed down and terribly changed. Muhammed is still there.

So my twisted little mind now and yes people you can put a hole in my idea, but at least I am still thinking, asking and trying to figure it out. God and Allah and God could all be the same people and Jesus, Messiah and Muhammed could all be the same person which would mean they all had the same beginning and have something together to this day.

Yes I know I need sleep or a Pepsi and a few smokes LOL
  by: TaraB     10/28/2009 05:02 AM     
  Okay Tara...  
it´s clear you get the point. Now, after you get Pepsied up and have a smoke, lemme help you with the similarities between the three religions that originated in the same place....

don´t take that the wrong way my dear...

  by: bbeljefe     10/28/2009 05:29 AM     

stupid emoticons... I´m too old for that shit ;)

  by: bbeljefe     10/28/2009 05:31 AM     
I think I am past my bedtime right now LOL Thanks BB :-)
  by: TaraB     10/28/2009 05:41 AM     
  This is good news  
However, BB, you´re slightly incorrect. True there are different languages of translations, but the Person of Christ is one of the main differences between Christianity and Islam.

Islam sees Him as a mere prophet (similar to Abraham, Moses, David, and even Muhammad). They deny that He is the Son in the Triune God. Some Jews simply despise Christ, as they believe He was a rogue rabbi preaching Blasphemy (hence the Crucifixion). We Christians (well most of us anyways, lol) see Him as the Son in the Trinity... being Co-equal with Father and Spirit.

But all three do have similar roots in Abraham, but there are clear and concise splits between the three.
  by: C.O.G.   10/28/2009 08:34 AM     
I´m not quite sure what you mean when you say this is good news and I don´t want to make any assumptions about it.

I think it is good that she is back in the state that her parents are in so they can work on repairing their relationship. I don´t see it as good or bad that she converted, for now that´s her choice and who knows what will happen down the road.

I do think that if this story was reversed there would be outrage from those that often claim that the muslims are evil and terrorists that want to kill us or take over the country.

In fact I made a bet with my husband over this story over how people would react since the girl was converted to Christianity instead of the opposite. I have about another 14 hours left to see who was right.
  by: TaraB     10/28/2009 11:23 AM     
  From the Qur´an  
Qur´an 4:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah´s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
  by: Jammy-Doger   10/28/2009 11:41 AM     
in context

Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.

i think it´s clear
  by: paparoach   10/28/2009 01:29 PM     
  @ Tara  
I think it´s good news that the teen found Christ. That´s first and foremost to me. Nextly, I find it good news that the teen is safe.
  by: C.O.G.   10/28/2009 01:39 PM     
  Paparoach 1  
Jammy Dodger 0. Anyone else wants to take Proach. I have a fiver on PR.

"God and Allah and God could all be the same people and Jesus, Messiah and Muhammed could all be the same person which would mean they all had the same beginning and have something together to this day."
What a gangbang with Mary Magdalene, did they appear to her as Jesus, or, Mohammad? Since I don’t know how God looks like. I think you are watching too much "Decoding Christianity" Muslims, acknowledge Jesus as a messiah, as a prophet, just like all other prophets, Moses, Abraham, John, etc,etc. They say Quran is the last book of God (Translates Allah in Arabic) they say, it comprises of four books together, as a completion of faith guidance to humanity.

Muslims believe, after Mohamad, there is no other prophet, because their Furqan and 3 other books, namely, Zabour; David´s holy book ; Book of psalms. Torah; Moses´s holy book; OT.
Injeel; Jesus narratives as they were revealed to him by God (AKA The new testament) Not a book per say but his teachings. Last one is Furqan. Mohamads holy book. ALL 4 books contained, make one Quran.

The only book pristine to date. Unchanged, and literally impossible to omit, or add anything to it. Mathematically it would be impossible. Because Muslims believe, it has a chronological, and mathematical lock, all wording in the quran are divisible by 19. It has been debunked by other people, however no one has actually counted the words given as false.

Between a rock and a hard place! It seems like. But for sure not all religions practiced today, have any similarities, except they all say, they believe in one god.

One thing for sure though. Father, the Son and the holy spirit is not one. This is what got me into a lot of troubles every time I questioned, its logic.
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/28/2009 03:58 PM     
  I would say...  
if you read what the Koran says about people who turn away from Islam, the father would be justified in killing his daughter for this reason.

"And when you see them, their persons will please you, and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back?" 63:004

So, these defectors are considered enemies or disbelievers (same thing). Of disbelievers, the Koran says...

"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." 9:005

or, if you prefer something more graphic...

"When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." 8:12

But then, technically the father wouldn´t be responsible for killing his daughter...

"So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing." 8:17

There are also plenty of verses that do not condone violence, unless in defense. Just by reading the text, the further you go, it does almost a complete 180. That´s why the Koran is so confusing. There are verses that completely contradict one another. In some verses, Muhammed is a pretty righteous guy.

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors...But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression." 2:190 - 193

and other such as, if the enemy wishes peace, then agree to peace. Too bad Saladin didn´t see it that way.

But then the Koran says this...

"Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?" 2:106

This would mean that a previous directive would be canceled by a newer one. But, the Koran isn´t really organized that way. It´s organized from shortest to longest verse, not chronologically. Confusing.
  by: groovedaddy   10/28/2009 07:23 PM     
of course the verses should seem contradictory to you, because you don´t seem to know the neither the historical context or the textual context of each verse.

for example the verses you quoted from chapter 8, it tells the story of the battle of Badr, a full scale battle between 1000 ´infidels´ from Quraish and 314 Muslims.

so i am not exactly sure how you would use verses talking about a battle and from it reach the conclusion that it´s Ok from an Islamic point of view for the father to kill his daughter!

context is the missing piece of puzzle for you and for many people who believe they are capable of "exposing" Islam because they read an online translation of the Quran.
  by: paparoach   10/28/2009 08:20 PM     
  Here, there, everywhere  
COG- Would you feel the same way if your child or children converted to another religion?

"I think you are watching too much "Decoding Christianity"
What is that? I haven´t seen any shows on this. Like I told BB last night I was quite tired when I wrote it and admit it is a jumble. My fingers and my brain were not cooperating.

As for the comment about Mary Magdalene that makes no sense at all,other than someone just being an ass and that surely wouldn´t be the case now would it? Mary Madalene or Mary of Magdala was not the sinner and prostitute that the church had let go on for over 2000 years. In fact, Mary of Magdala was held near and dear to Jesus and many of the church now accept that she was one of his closest disciples(some still debate this.) The sinner and prostitute was Mary of Bethany.

Back to this girl who is the real focus of the summary, religion is secondary, her safety is what concerns me. Either the people at this Christian church have totally convinced this girl that she will be killed if she leaves thier fold or her father wants to kill her and will put up with the state being up their rears until she is 18. If that is the case why weould he fight so hard and publicly to get her home? I don´t have much respoct for her church or it´s members when they would hide a runaway from the law. She could have simply called the Ohio authorities or tell a cousnelor at her high school.
  by: TaraB     10/28/2009 08:50 PM     
  The Punhishment For Apostasy From Islam  
Is Death. (converting from Islam)

No difference in religions?

Christians wouldn´t murder people the disagree with would they?

Well maybe not as a formal religious statement as with Islam.
  by: ichi     10/28/2009 09:11 PM     
I mean it´s confusing to figure out which doctrine to abide by. I find the phrase "slay the idolaters wherever ye find them" pretty straightforward. Kill non-Muslims. Do you abide by Surah 4 or 9? Because, you can´t spare non-Muslim innocents and "slay" them.

No one seems to know the exact chronology. But, the ones I´ve seen put Surah 9 before 4. This would mean if there are any contradictions, you defer to the newer scripture. Hence, you go with Surah 9, "find the idolaters and slay them". This would be what a radical would use to justify the killing of non-combatants. To shorten that, if you´re not Muslim, you´re a target.

The next question is, can you be a Muslim, by not following this doctrine? Or, a better way to put this, "can you be a Muslim without following the Koran to the letter?" Beyond that, "Can a Christian be a Christian without following everything in the Bible?" I don´t know.

What I do know is taking all of this and applying it to the context of the world at its current state it paints an interesting picture. I picked over countries where Islam was the dominant religion (50% or greater) and 31% of them are declared as secular, meaning they separate church doctrine from government laws. The of these, used Islam as a basis for their laws, with some not declaring whether they were non-secular or not. So, it can be said, that more often than not, if a country is Muslim, the law they follow and their legal structure is that of the Koran. If that supposition is true, this chronology of the Koran is true, and Surah 2:106 is true, that makes for a pretty bad combination if you´re not Muslim.

I know that´s a stretch for a supposition, but ask Ayatollah Khomeini (if he was still alive) if the Koran allowed for the killing of non-believers. Your question can be answered by actions. Check out the 1988 executions of Iran´s political prisoners. The #1 justifications for the executions...the prisoners "do not believe in Islam, while pretending otherwise". This statement is directly from Kohmeini´s order. So, again we´re back to, killing someone for believing something other than the word of Islam.

Now, search the world for current countries that would kill you for not subscribing to their religion. Then, look at the religion they´re pushing. Are they Hindi? - I haven´t heard anything about India executing people for not being Hindi. Are they Christians? I can´t come up with one Christian country that would do this. Are they Budhist? I don´t think a Budhist would even defend himself if attacked. Are they Jews? - One could argue this due to their long-time conflict with their Muslim neighbors, but I´ve never heard of them killing anyone just for not being Jewish. Confusianism / Taoism? - Nope. I´m running out of major religions here...

Ok, the only religions that I can find that would do this would be:

Fringe cult organizations like Aum Shinrikyo or People´s Temple, certain indigenous religions (tribes that might say, eat you), and some Muslim faiths. Now, which one of these religions controls several countries with armies to back it? Part of me wonders, would the Muslim world still despise the Western World, if we were all Muslim?

But, don´t misunderstand me. I have no ill-will toward any religions. I don´t subscribe personally to any of them and have no problem with people who do, unless you try to get me to join your faith at the point of a sword.
  by: groovedaddy   10/28/2009 10:07 PM     
  pardon me..  
surah 9 is actually after 4 chronologically...
  by: groovedaddy   10/28/2009 10:08 PM     
"As for the comment about Mary Magdalene that makes no sense at all,other than someone just being an ass and that surely wouldn´t be the case now would it" ??? May I ask who this ass is? I really dont get it. I think it is the slow, retard in me may be the culprit.

About decoding Christianity was a jest, because it deals with the exact subject.. Whether you watch it or not, is irrelevant.

Idea behind Mary, amongst the Orthodox christians is a farce and a very big one too. This book (Bible) not only has not survived, throughout history, it has also taken few and far more jabs, than any other religious doctrine. Most of these conspiracies are a laughing stock.
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/29/2009 01:20 PM     
  @ Tara  
I wouldn´t be happy with that. We live our lives according to John 14:6, but there comes a time in each person´s life when they have to make the decision to accept or reject. The decision is entirely up to them... and I will love my daughters the same in either situation.
  by: C.O.G.   10/29/2009 03:59 PM     
  Simple Solution ...  
They´ll probably take a trip back east to visit relatives, arrange an "honour killing" (err ... I mean a tragic, unexpected accident) and return without the kid.

Problem solved outside US jurisdiction.
  by: DeepSand   10/30/2009 02:58 AM     
  As a Catholic Christian, we live by....  
The Gospel of Matthew 5:43 You have heard that it has been said, You shall love your
neighbor, and hate your enemy.

5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use
you, and persecute you;
  by: chief714   10/30/2009 06:46 AM     
  of course...  
I believe all, well, Most Christians whether Orthodox, Protestant, etc... for the most part live by this...

I guess I just felt the need to state my Catholicism :D
  by: chief714   10/30/2009 06:48 AM     
  Groove,COG, skcuss  
Groovedaddy *applause* I wish I could asses comments right now.

COG-"The decision is entirely up to them... and I will love my daughters the same in either situation."

Thank you for being honest and for adding that last part in, that is what I would have asked next. I could not see myself killing my children for anything that they have done. That is not saying I would let them get away with anything, I will always love them and always forgive them even if I don´t approve of what they do.

Skcuss- I really didn´t know what decoding was about, I really have certain stations and certain shows I watch and unless someone suggests a documentary or a very good show I don´t watch TV.

I thought you were being an ass towards me because of my comments on Mary and then the whole she had a gangbang. I am sorry it was uncalled for. I just tend to find Mary of Magdala very interesting and I do wonder at times why she did many things that would be in a wifely manner, I´m not saying the were married, just the fact that in most of the bibles there are a few things that make me wonder if they kept her book out because she was a woman and the church felt Jesus couldn´t have his favorite disciple be a female but I really do not want to get in that discussion and I havent seen or read the Da Vinci code, most of my thoughts on this are just my own thoughts that´s all.
  by: TaraB     10/30/2009 09:13 AM     
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