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Latest CNN Poll: 55% Oppose War, 59% Approve Surge

 

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released early today finds that 55% of respondents oppose the Afghan war, while 43% support it.

30% say they opposed it from the start, while 25% voiced initial support in 2001, but have since changed their opinion.

Seemingly contrary to these results, 59% of the same respondents indicated that they approve of Obama's plan to send an additional 30,000 American troops into Afghanistan.

Additional results indicate that 2/3 of respondents believe neither side is winning the conflict; white respondents are split in their favor of the conflict, while 70% of black respondents oppose the war.

 
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  16 Comments
  
  so my question is..  
 
does this reflect a schizophrenic public, or a skewed polling method?
 
  by: Jenkie     12/23/2009 12:59 PM     
  I think it´s a  
 
We shouldn´t be there in the first place but now that we are we don´t want our boys to be so short in numbers that they become easy pickings.

I would have pulled out and just declared the whole mission a complete failure Britain did eventually and so did the Russians.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     12/23/2009 01:10 PM     
  @Jenkie  
 
A schizophrenic public is a given but in this case the answer is possibly neither.

I would suggest that those who oppose the war and support the surge think that the surge is the best way to bring this war to a close. Without seeing the exact questions they asked it isn´t easy to tell.
 
  by: ixuzus     12/23/2009 01:13 PM     
  Not declaring it a failure  
 
doesn´t mean that it is a success. In fact it only benefits the corporate and private interests who stand to profit from the oil pipeline attempting to be completed, and those profiting from the poppy industry.

Surprising, considering the Democrats were gonna fix everything now that they have majorities in the house and senate, and the Obamanator.

But wait, oh yeah the Republicans were gonna fix everything too, back in the day...

Seeing a trend here? Think it´s time to start voting for principles instead of campaign budgets?
 
  by: Jenkie     12/23/2009 01:19 PM     
  Re to Hugo and Ix  
 
"We shouldn´t be there in the first place but now that we are we don´t want our boys to be so short in numbers that they become easy pickings." - Hugo Chavez


A schizophrenic public is a given but in this case the answer is possibly neither.

"I would suggest that those who oppose the war and support the surge think that the surge is the best way to bring this war to a close."

While these theories make sense, we must question the quality of that sense.

It seems comparable to stating -
"While I don´t think OJ should have killed Nicole and her lover, I approve of his using a knife to make it quick, and to killing both in order to spare each other the pain of loss."

Or perhaps of approving of legislation that seeking to reduce the negative consequences of previous regulation, rather than improving or appealing the previous legislation to begin with, EG Obama forcing airlines to do something a free market would have forced them to do, had not government removed the industry´s responsibility to its customers...
 
  by: Jenkie     12/23/2009 01:30 PM     
  Delta Force  
 
was prohibited by the bush admin for some reason from killing Bin Laden... Apparently the decision came from the top to hold off on taking him out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/...


Why would they do such a thing? Maybe because if we took out the figurehead too early, we would have no more reason to fight and thus no reason to exploit the oil and natural gas of central asia that travels through "Pipelinistan" er I mean Afghanistan.
 
  by: slavefortheman     12/23/2009 03:12 PM     
  n/t  
 
Any leader, including Ben Laden, that gets killed is immediately replaced. These people are just replicators. They will always exist. There are more crazy extremists than sane people in the world.
 
  by: Lurker     12/23/2009 03:42 PM     
  I think the polling is off  
 
Because some of the people that disagree with the war feel that despite their views, more troops mean less American casualties, for example, more reinforcements, more supplies, a heavier presence, etc. More guys with more guns mean less targets and a better ability to react to threats which could otherwise overwhelm a smaller force.
 
  by: DoubleTake   12/23/2009 05:01 PM     
  @Lurker  
 
Agreed. But if you kill off the figurehead, you have essentially removed the reason for going into afghanistan in the first place. The only reason we are there is because of 9/11. If we took out the supposed figurehead of this group, people would start questioning why were there. Not just people who normally think about such thing but regular everyday people would start thinking this and that is when the government would have a problem.

They have created this war to exploit the resources of central asia and the middle east. If their boogy-man suddenly died, there would no longer be a reason to be afraid and therefore no reason to be there.

I personally think Bin Laden died in December 2001. But what better way to prolong these wars than to keep his image alive and well than to let him live if he is in fact alive.
 
  by: slavefortheman     12/23/2009 08:18 PM     
  The first question to ask is  
 
what does the polltaker want to do with the results of the poll? It is incredibly easy to ask questions and phrase things in such a way as to get exactly what you want. I´ve had several "polls" call me and ask my opinion, starting out with "as you know, president blahdiblah has proposed..." If you listen to the wording, you can see what response the polltaker is trying to elicit from you. I honestly wouldn´t put CNN or any news organization above doing this in a poll and then claiming that "we had no intent to influence"
 
  by: cranky_paranoid     12/24/2009 01:04 AM     
  so i guess that means...  
 
16% are braindead... 59% support to intensify war via more troops, minus 43% support of the war = 16% of respondants are braindead.
 
  by: HAVOC666     12/24/2009 01:16 AM     
  @Hugo  
 
"I would have pulled out and just declared the whole mission a complete failure"

Sigh... I said the same thing one night to my ex. ;-)
 
  by: modom56k   12/24/2009 03:34 PM     
  if they were really trying to make an oil pipeline  
 
through afghanistan, and this whole war was a cover to do so, then they have actually made the entire nation more dangerous to their cause by going to war with them. it would of been a lot easier to just strike a deal, or run the pipeline someplace else. if they made a pipeline now, it would probably be blown to smithereens within 24 hours.

i do believe they will ´continue the fight´ into pakistan and have ´convenient battles´ near strategic places in the nation and slowly try to take that over next. they won´t just straight out declare war on them because they have nukes, so they are being sneaky, and the fight on terror will just happen to ´overflow´ into pakistan.
 
  by: djskagnetti     12/24/2009 11:57 PM     
  @DoubleTake  
 
when is a poll ever ´on´?

since we here in america like us a good list, i have compiled the top 5 things to never fully trust ever:
5. the government
4. torrents
3. polls
2. mass media
1. wikipedia

every single one of these things may say something that is a half truth or just an outright lie. every single one of these things you should be wary of, especially if they say everything is going to be ´ok.´ you can trust all 5 of these things some of the time, but don´t be suprised when you get burned.

i personally think USA Today and their Gallop Polls should be simultaneously burnt to the ground. they had an article like last week saying that Most people agreed that people think that a climate treaty was a good thing. newspapers shouldn´t be allowed to use the word Most, ever. because when they said most people, they meant 1035 americans polled, not even in the world, just america. and when they said most people, they meant 55% of those people said that. 1035 people polled divided by 300,000,000 people in the US = .000345%. of that .000345% of americans polled, only 55% said what they said Most people said = .000189% of americans said that. does that sound like Most to you?
 
  by: djskagnetti     12/25/2009 12:14 AM     
  @djskagnetti  
 
"if they were really trying to make an oil pipeline
through afghanistan, and this whole war was a cover to do so, then they have actually made the entire nation more dangerous to their cause by going to war with them."

IF??? IF??? the pipeline is for an american company called unocal

"it would of been a lot easier to just strike a deal, or run the pipeline someplace else. if they made a pipeline now, it would probably be blown to smithereens within 24 hours."

they did... then the taliban (whom they made the unoofical agreement with previously) in 1997, after which the taliban refuses to allow it.

"i do believe they will ´continue the fight´ into pakistan and have ´convenient battles´ near strategic places in the nation and slowly try to take that over next. they won´t just straight out declare war on them because they have nukes, so they are being sneaky, and the fight on terror will just happen to ´overflow´ into pakistan."

and eventually iran too and wha-la WW3 would be a garauntee.

and here´s the kicker all these nation including iraq and and turkey (both of which are now secured militarily and politically respectively) are neccesary for this pipline to be made possible which will bypass russia and connect europe to the caspain seas and also into china via afghanistan and pakistan.

the plan is so obvious (atleast to people like me and slavefortheman whom have been pointing this out for years now) thats its amazing people can still question if it even happening... much less why.

feel free to research this... i know most haven´t... and probably never will.

"since we here in america like us a good list, i have compiled the top 5 things to never fully trust ever:
5. the government
4. torrents
3. polls
2. mass media
1. wikipedia"

hey hey hey, you leave torrents out of this...lol

only once out of litterally about ten thousand downloads have i ever gotten any kind of malicious software from them; a VERY old trojan that even an outted version of whatever antivirus i had back then (this would have been more than 5 years ago btw and it was a RAR´ed game which makes it easy to find a virus or similar malious programs). people that don´t know how to check files out or install/update their antivirus deserve what they get online, and furthermore your MORE likely to get malious software on your compuiter via visiting the wrong site than downloading torrents (aside from maybe the many obvious fakes the MPAA and RIAA have been putting online for the last 2 years).

"newspapers shouldn´t be allowed to use the word Most, ever. because when they said most people, they meant 1035 americans polled,"

hence MOST of the people polled... hence most is an accurate word... sorry you disagree which MOST of the people polled which is a representive polling (albeit a small sample) of the population. it hasa rather obvious meaning; in context of the poll.

"1035 people polled divided by 300,000,000 people in the US = .000345%. of that .000345% of americans polled, only 55% said what they said Most people said = .000189% of americans said that. does that sound like Most to you?"

*palm to face*

what did you expect them to do poll everyone... lets not be absurd...

but then again... concerning climate change have you have a rationally expressed, logically sound and sane thought yet?

were to just a week or two ago spreading irrational panick about havign to shut down everything for 33 years to start reversing climate change when NO-ONE except maybe the morons at fox are saying anything of the sort.
 
  by: HAVOC666     12/25/2009 04:59 PM     
  Latest CNN Poll:  
 
96% of Polls don´t matter.
 
  by: Kolman   12/25/2009 11:42 PM     
 
 
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