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German Family Wins Asylum to Avoid "Anti-Christian Worldview" in Public-Only School System

 

A German family recently given permission to live in the US claims that a homeschooling ban was forcing an "ideological uniformity" and an "anti-Christian worldview" onto their kids. The court decision is being welcomed by Christian fundamentalists.

The Home School Legal Defense Association, an evangelical Christian lobbying group, said Tuesday night that Uwe and Hannelore Romeike had been granted political asylum by a Memphis court. Judge Lawrence Burman cited human rights in his decision.

"We can´t expect every country to follow our constitution," he said, adding that homeschoolers are "a particular social group that the German government is trying to suppress" and that there is a "a well-founded fear of persecution" in the Romeikes.

 
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  Looks like God does answer prayer!  
   
  by: C.O.G.   02/04/2010 08:42 AM     
  ...  
 
A few years back this fella was deported from Canada for overstaying his welcome even though it meant certain death due to his health condition that was untreatable in his country... I wonder if he tried playing the religious card if he´d still be here?

 
  by: cyberfreak   02/04/2010 09:24 AM     
  @C.O.G.  
 
Indeed, after the children have finished suffocating in the rubble of Haiti, God decides to perform a miracle involving the right to home schooling.
 
  by: Maxx20     02/04/2010 09:39 AM     
  @ Maxx  
 
I understand. Did you go help the children in Haiti? Did you take them out of the rubble? You are able bodied, correct?
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/04/2010 09:58 AM     
  @COG  
 
Come on, a**hole. You don´t really expect any of US to do anything about worldly situations, do you?

That´s, like, you know, like up to God. God should fix things. I have the internet to surf. And cable TV to watch. I mean, that sucks about Haiti and all... but, uhh, like, God should have just never let that happen. More because I´m tired of Haitian relief commercials interrupting my awesome TV shows.

God also needs to fix my plumbing. I would do it myself. But. I don´t want to.
 
  by: Dayron   02/04/2010 10:09 AM     
  This case  
 
is ridiculous. German schools are usually affiliated with either a Catholic or a Lutheran church. They have compulsory religion classes, unless the parents specify that they don´t want the children to partake in them.

This family accuses the German public school system of having an Anti-Christian Worldview because what they actually mean is they don´t believe in our particular branch of Christianity and don´t preach in some kind of random tongue-language. Indeed, they don´t preach at all.

Basically, there are families from countries where persecution means rape and death and they don´t get granted asylum in the US. But boo hoo oh you can´t keep your kids at home and indoctrine them with your Godly brainwashing for five hours a day, but you´re welcome to do so for the other 19, and here you go. Live here in the God-fearing US instead.

I dunno if you´ve noticed, but I´m a bit mad about this case.
 
  by: Lois_Lane     02/04/2010 10:15 AM     
  Cool...  
 
Can we send all our religious geeks to the US ????
 
  by: LeTonduZ   02/04/2010 10:23 AM     
  @LeTonduz  
 
Yes. Send them right away. They will help to elect an American Le Pen and set the world right. I see you´ve thought this through and are prepared to walk the path of righteous living. God bless you!
 
  by: Big Bird     02/04/2010 12:17 PM     
  I for one  
 
will be rolling in my grave laughing when people look back on our current religions with bemused know-it-all smugness at our falsehoods, much like we look back at the religions of pagan Greece and Rome and roll our eyes at their foolishness. ;>
 
  by: velger   02/04/2010 01:47 PM     
  @velger  
 
On what do you base your preposterous assertions? Is that why fraternities in in the Greek tradition operate on almost every college campus in the United States, and many take ceremonial observance of the patronage of one or more Greek or Roman gods?

You´re seriously deluded if you believe what you just said.
 
  by: Big Bird     02/04/2010 01:51 PM     
  ...Big Bird  
 
sarcasm right?

its 6am so im not sure yet.
 
  by: cyberfreak   02/04/2010 03:06 PM     
  @Lois_Lane  
 
"German schools are usually affiliated with either a Catholic or a Lutheran church."

In Bavaria State, but in most others it is not like that. Where are you in Germany? In NRW state there are very few schools affiliated with a religion. There are however religious classes that are free to attend. If students don´t want it they have an alternative called philosophy.
 
  by: evilrat   02/04/2010 03:13 PM     
  I´m in NRW  
 
and at least with Kindergartens, there are hardly any state-only ones, I just assumed it was the same with schools.

In Rheinland Pfalz it´s similar, though I think there are more state-only schools there now than there were when my husband was in school.
 
  by: Lois_Lane     02/04/2010 03:43 PM     
  @Lois  
 
Aww you had to bring the hubby in, right!! There goes my fantasy.

Serious note: What USA has done is, plain right favouritism and the point stressed is.
"Basically, there are families from countries where persecution means rape and death and they don´t get granted asylum in the US. But boo hoo oh you can´t keep your kids at home and indoctrine them with your Godly brainwashing for five hours a day,"

Africans, are the least tolerrated from US immigration, they suffer from all aspects of humanity crisis. They live in countries rule by dictators, literally you cant say anything about a government and they dont get to be treated with such humility.

Heck Obama´s sister is currently fighting deportation back to her native Kenya and for f**k sake this president is keeping quite and not doing anything about it for the fear of being pointed out playing favouritism. She is his sister for FSake. But Black.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/04/2010 05:05 PM     
  @COG  
 
read the above comment and please pray for SISTER. You claim to be black right, you pray for Haitians right? You are able bodied and are doing the least of your part by praying right? It is time you pray for SISTER who is about to be deported from this great land.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/04/2010 05:11 PM     
  @COG, @skcusswentrohs  
 
Haha, hear that? You have obligations because you´re black, and because you pray. Oh, and Haitians are black, so obviously there´s a connection.

@skcusswentrohs

Well, it would, in fact, be favoritism if Obama bailed out his sister while she was legally in the wrong.
 
  by: Dayron   02/04/2010 05:26 PM     
  @ Skcuss  
 
Sir,
I´m sorry, but I´m a bit confused. Are you asking me to pray for this person because we both are black?

Please help me to understand your request. Thanks!
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/04/2010 05:28 PM     
  @C.O.G  
 
Ouch, your getting yelled at more than usual.

Funny how laziness and racism were both their responses. :D
 
  by: nimira     02/04/2010 07:15 PM     
  @nimira  
 
Not sure if you´re implying it, but... I didn´t yell at COG. The post that begins with "come on you a**hole" is totally sarcastic, and I know he knows it.
 
  by: Dayron   02/04/2010 07:33 PM     
  @COG  
 
Yes because she is black and so are you. And yes because you are a good Christian.

Connection of you nad her being black is from this comment from LOIS.
" there are families from countries where persecution means rape and death and they don´t get granted asylum in the US. " She is from Kenya, infact a country that produces different categories of refugees. Meaning. Political, Economical, Ecological and religious. Instead of is German refugee, who i simply taking advantage, on top of being at a vantage category. This family will see a day in court if prosecuted for whatever reason they running from.

But presidents sister?? She needs prayers man.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/04/2010 07:41 PM     
  @Dayron  
 
If she was white and so was Obama. Do you think this would have been an issue? Captions from al news outlet read "Obamas sister" as though she has no name of her own. If this is not to rally people by default of association, then what is it?

When time permits read this http://www.africom.mil/...
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/04/2010 07:46 PM     
  @skcusswentrohs  
 
I´m not sure what would change if, instead of black, Obama and his sister were white.

What I´m asking is, if Obama´s sister is being deported, it´s for a reason, right? Are you saying that she´s being deported, and it´s for nothing? Is she here illegally? What are the charges here?

If she is here illegally, then, yes, sure, deport her. If not, I´m surprised more news outlets aren´t all over it.
 
  by: Dayron   02/04/2010 08:05 PM     
  @skcusswentrohs  
 
So do you think God will listen to COG because he´s black and praying for a black woman?

God doesn´t see race. Just his people. =P
 
  by: Dayron   02/04/2010 08:07 PM     
  @ Skcuss  
 
I can understand where you´re coming from... but I pray for all people, regardless of race. My favorite people to pray for are those who hate me... the SN community! lol.

But you´re right though, I should keep her lifted up in my prayers.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/04/2010 09:13 PM     
  Dayron  
 
My post was sarcastic too :)

Loved your post tho!
 
  by: nimira     02/04/2010 11:23 PM     
  @ nimira  
 
*enter text-blush feature*

My bad.
 
  by: Dayron   02/04/2010 11:32 PM     
  @Dayron  
 
You are right, God doesn´t see colour. Unfortunately Americans do.

I am right now applying for landed immigrant status in Canada, as I am fed up of UK.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/05/2010 12:09 AM     
  @COG  
 
I hope your not serious with your first comment "Looks like God does answer prayer!", being that your Christian I would think that prayer being able to effect a person being granted asylum or not wouldn´t reconcile. Are you suggesting that people lack free will, i believe that the choice to grant Asylum was made by people in which case if prayer some how did manipulate the results then we truly have no free will, in which case god is most likely responsible for all the atrocity´s ever committed, baby rapes, animal rapes, mass murder, torture....???
Also does that mean that all the other people that have requested Asylum just didn´t pray hard enough?
 
  by: shiftyfarker   02/05/2010 06:43 AM     
  No Shifty  
 
"Are you suggesting that people lack free will, i believe that the choice to grant Asylum was made by people in which case if prayer some how did manipulate the results then we truly have no free will, in which case god is most likely responsible for all the atrocity´s ever committed, baby rapes, animal rapes, mass murder, torture....???"

No sir, I´m suggesting that God answers prayer.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/05/2010 07:07 AM     
  they better not move to california  
 
because california is doing the same thing. there´s about 200,000 kids homeschooled there that will need to start going to public schools.

in new york a couple were just arrested and their kids may be taken away from them because they didn´t register them as home schooled.

what´s the us school system ranked at now - 25th? 28th? easy to make sure we all stay stupid when we´re forced to learn only what they want us to learn, in a school system that can expose your kids to violence and maybe even drugs, well, more so than if being homeschooled. and if your kids don´t agree with what they´re teaching, or question it in any way, they´re ridiculed. if your kids don´t answer exactly the way they want them to answer on their tests, they fail. critical thinking? what´s that?
 
  by: djskagnetti     02/05/2010 07:08 AM     
  @COG  
 
"No sir, I´m suggesting that God answers prayer."

So how are you suggesting a prayer to god could have possibly changed the outcome?
 
  by: shiftyfarker   02/05/2010 07:10 AM     
  Really simple Shifty,  
 
It´s because God answers prayer. If you need more answers, I can point you to instances of answered prayer in the Scriptures.

=D
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/05/2010 07:21 AM     
  @COG  
 
"It´s because God answers prayer. If you need more answers, I can point you to instances of answered prayer in the Scriptures."
I guess I was just hoping that your response would be a bit more insightful.

I am wondering how a child of god can have contradictory assumptions without questioning either your own logic or the bibles.
I know that faith is important but at the same time I believe questioning is more important.
 
  by: shiftyfarker   02/05/2010 08:13 AM     
  Shifty  
 
I understand. Why provide you with my insight when I can lead you straight to the answer. You can read it for yourself instead of trusting in my fallible thinking. I can show you answered prayer.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/05/2010 01:08 PM     
  @skcusswentrohs  
 
"You are right, God doesn´t see colour. Unfortunately Americans do."

Okay, having a hard time understanding this one. You asked COG to pray for some one who is black, and you said it was because he was black. What does that have to do with the human race seeing differences in people? It has nothing to do with it. Of course we see differences. Yes, Americans see color. Europeans see race. Asians see differences.

But what I´m saying is, what does this have to do with your request for COG to pray for Obama´s sister because HE is black? It makes no sense.


 
  by: Dayron   02/05/2010 01:29 PM     
  @ all those arguing numbskulls  
 
Are you saying that its upto God to do this. WHile God can do anything, It dosn´t mean he will do it. I´m not saying I know what he´s gona do, but we can´t expect him to do every one of our little things. We have to help them if God helps us or not. I belive he is doing great things to help. But we also need to do stuff to help to, wether actully going over there and helping, or just praying for them.

(and about the pipe, Why don´t you just call a plumber, they´re paid to do that donchaknow)
 
  by: Torenso   02/05/2010 03:10 PM     
  Arab Family Wins Asylum to Avoid "Anti-Muslim Worl  
 
Arab Family Wins Asylum to Avoid "Anti-Muslim Worldview" in Public-Only School System
A Arab family recently given permission to live in the US claims that a homeschooling ban was forcing an "ideological uniformity" and an "anti-Muslim worldview" onto their kids. The court decision is being welcomed by Muslim fundamentalists.

The Home School Legal Defense Association, an evangelical Muslim lobbying group, said Tuesday night that Ahab and Hannafannabanna Abdullhawalukumsubdullahadulla had been granted political asylum by a Memphis court. Judge Lawrence Dumass cited human rights in his decision.

"We can´t expect every country to follow our constitution," he said, adding that homeschoolers are "a particular social group that the Wallakumistan government is trying to suppress" and that there is a "a well-founded fear of persecution" in the Abdullaboloniebiggotudulla.

 
  by: justus4all   02/05/2010 07:40 PM     
  Just saying  
 
Wonder if the feedback would have been different

 
  by: justus4all   02/05/2010 07:42 PM     
  @all  
 
Man, this thread got weird in a hurry.

It´s pretty hard trying to convince someone that your invisible friend really exists, huh?
 
  by: WillyMaykett   02/05/2010 10:46 PM     
  @World  
 
uuhaammmmmm

 
  by: justus4all   02/06/2010 04:57 AM     
  Probably too late to comment but I have some time.  
 
@Justus
Good point well made.

@COG
Prayer doesn´t work my friend. What you credit to prayer is simply coincidence.
Also the bible is proof of nothing as theres no evidence to support any of its supernatural claims and virtually no evidence to support its more reasonable ones(few as they are).
As to the bible being infallible; You realise that it wasn´t originally written in english, right? Meaning even if it was infallible in its original Koine Greek edition (which it wasn´t) it was translated to english by a human and therefore, by your own logic, the version of the bible that you put your faith in and refer other people to is a completely fallible human document.


@Torenso
"we can´t expect him to do every one of our little things"

Yeah I guess we can´t expect our ´loving´, ´caring´, ´compassionate´ god to help with all those little things like genocide, disease, famine, child abuse, religious atrocities, slavery, earthquakes, tornados, volcanos, terrorism, rape, murder and persecution.
But don´t lose heart occasionally he might help some whining people asylum or show his holy image in a piece of toast!

TP
 
  by: ThinkPeople   02/09/2010 02:51 AM     
  TP  
 
I won´t go into a debate with you, and as you know, I respect your opinion, but yes prayer does work. The Bible is perfect.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/09/2010 08:57 AM     
  Lol Cog  
 
Show me the logic and i´ll believe you. Until then I´ll keep my opinion right where it is.
 
  by: ThinkPeople   02/09/2010 12:05 PM     
  TP  
 
Enjoy your opinion sir.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/09/2010 12:11 PM     
  ..  
 
Enjoy your self delusion my friend
 
  by: ThinkPeople   02/09/2010 12:38 PM     
  @ C.O.G  
 
"My favorite people to pray for are those who hate me... the SN community! lol."

May I request not to be prayed for?
 
  by: DarkLady   02/09/2010 01:17 PM     
  @COG  
 
Please, pray for me lost soul, a lot! While you do that, we will post some more. ;)
 
  by: Rv3   02/09/2010 01:22 PM     
  @COG  
 
I request that you pray for DarkLady most of all.
 
  by: Dayron   02/09/2010 03:13 PM     
  @Dayron  
 
"But what I´m saying is, what does this have to do with your request for COG to pray for Obama´s sister because HE is black? It makes no sense."

Read Lois_Lanes comment on legality and merits of providing safe haven to people who are actually abusing the system and a judge who allows it to happen.

Then, scroll down past my posts to justus4all [Arab Family Wins Asylum to Avoid] read this post, then scroll back up again and read mine. You will understand the colour issues and merits to provide asylum. Color is metaphor, not necessarily the issue.

COG on the other hand is a trained Bible thumper, who has attended many seminars and symposiums on "How to win a theological debates" with his "I Understand" "I know where you are coming from" and other subtle ways to maneuver through the maze. When he say I understand, he is actually saying I ignored that and listen to what have to tell you. COGS past is to be blamed, now he feels inclined to repent for the previous mistakes by, not only not repeating them, but making sure, he hits the nail everyday as a reminder, by praising GOD and issuing reminders to himself.

COG, if he has traveled the world, then he would understand, the rest of the World is not America with a safety net and very big meshes. There are people who are praying harder than all Americans put together, and they wake up to the same conditions everyday.

He needs to learn that, prays will not rain bread and fish, nor will raise the dead, or cure the lepers. It is the abundance God has provided on this earth, which humans are to pursue, in order to make prayers work.

What I mean by pursue to make prayers work is. Go to a tree, plant, or whatever. Analyze its material, chemical and make medicine out of it to help cure diseases, or eat form it to curb hunger. Opening your mouth pointed up wards and praying will not make you full. But a FOOL.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/09/2010 05:23 PM     
  @ Skcuss  
 
Seems you have me all figured out, doesn´t it? It´s not that I ignore (well, sometimes I do, I won´t lie), but I´ve learned that arguing gets people nowhere. If you have a preset mind about something, I´m only going to get bent out of shape by trying to get one to see it. Btw- it´s not my place to "get one to see it".

But, one thing I will do is praise the LORD despite my shortcomings. I will praise Him with my experiences (and lack thereof), and praise Him for the awesome things He´s done in other´s lives.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/09/2010 10:14 PM     
  Skcuss  
 
I wanted to address:

"...with his "I Understand" "I know where you are coming from" and other subtle ways to maneuver through the maze."

Funny thing is, I´m really being genuine when I say that. I do understand that I sound absolutely crazy. I understand that if I weren´t a Christian, I´d think I was as stupid as most other people here do. I really can understand this, so please don´t take that as me being stand-offish. If I´m ignoring something addressed to me, please believe me, I´ll do my best to inform that individual. I´m not trying to sound arrogant, but some things just aren´t worth my time.

But then again, I can understand how some would take my demeanor the wrong way.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/09/2010 10:20 PM     
  Obama´s "Sister"  
 
Just to clarify, it´s his aunt Zeituni Onyango who is facing deportation. His sister has not done anything noteworthy since June, and that was just moving from hawaii to D.C. to be closer to Barack. It frightens me no one picked up on that.
 
  by: DaReapaMan   02/10/2010 04:06 AM     
  @COG  
 
Your prayers are a least of my concern my friend. I grew up wandering from one country to another, from a parish to another, lived with people that I had no relation of any kind whatsoever and you can imagine amount of prayers I have been embroiled in.

I left those poor people behind and in the same predicament they were in. Amounts of all those prayers begot absolutely nothing, unless you do your own renovations, the roof will continue leaking.

Thing is, you perpetually throw a spanner at work, when all bolts and nuts are stripped. Prayers may provide Solace to individuals, even psychiatrist believe, mind works in mysterious ways and that is the only reason humanity has continued to evolve.

If it was prayers, which are also the reasons to all these fiascos, we wouldn´t have needed passports to travel, but rather the identity of faith. You are Christian, you are allowed into USA. You are Muslim please enter Iran, Saudia etc etc, and we are done.

Every nation has a dominant faith, if God only answers prayers, we are all right, but he doesnt just answer prayers, because all different nations and their different faiths, pray to their own deity.

Stop throwing in prayers, instead, I wish you would contribute a knowledge.

Knowledge is the beacon of speculative faculties, it is also consistent with truth. Prayers lack exactly that, hence the fiasco. We are tangled in a quagmire, your God versus their God, then a question one needs to ask is, if prayers are true, why are those praying to statues made by themselves, still flourish under the banner of God?

I do not doubt your sincerity my friend. I just doubt your GOD! As I doubt all Gods.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/10/2010 06:07 AM     
  Skcuss  
 
I do appreciate your politeness despite a differing view.

It´s your right to doubt whoever you choose. But I will say again that prayers work. The Bible shows us that we press our way into Heaven through tribulation (Acts 14:22)... read Matthew 5. Those are the people who are really blessed (the ones who are suffering). This life is but a vapor in the grand scheme of eternity. God wants us to be faithful with what we DO have (good or bad situations). I would be lying if I told you why I knew I had it so well, despite all the mess I´ve done in my life... I know how good He´s been to me, and how He´s answered my prayers (Romans 8:28). I also know that is Good to both the saint and the sinner. Why He allowed some of HIS OWN people to live in substandard conditions, I don´t know, but what I do know is that the Christian community is hard at work trying to make things better despite all our flaws. It is this way the love of God is shown (John 13:35)/(1 John 3). But you´re right somewhat... prayers without work/faith without works is DEAD (James 2:20).
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/10/2010 07:50 AM     
  Comments  
 
WOW! I can´t read through all of this so I just chose the 9th to start with so forgive me if this has been sad, why is a Judge ruling on anything in this case? Especially one from a very fundamentalist area and did so because the group he is aware of and approves of brought this case to him? Another thing is these homeschoolers are doing nothing but taking over the process and trying to turn it into the Christian-only homeschoolers. Think I´m wrong? Take a look at what comes up when you search for homeschool or homeschool information. I was looking into homeschooling off and on because my children are grades above what the public schools want them to recite so they can get money and make the approval of the farce that NCLB is.

Send this family home and instead concentrate on helping some of the true victims of abuse and torture be allowed asylum. This decision has done nothing but show how our courts are failing to do follow the law and uphold it, instead it has a judge that voted based on his religious preference instead of common sense and the law. I hope they are looking into procedures to file a complaint and possibly remove him from the bench. The law isn´t for us that are emotional or holds certain beliefs(myself included).

Skcuss- "Go to a tree, plant, or whatever. Analyze its material, chemical and make medicine out of it to help cure diseases, or eat form it to curb hunger."

Funny you mention that. The book that my girls got me for Christmas was just talking about pagan prayer and how nature is where we see the real miracles of The One, the goddess and the god. I already knew this, but to see this in the book and then get online and see you posting this is interesting.

COG-"But I will say again that prayers work."

Sorry, but I don´t believe that at all and I have seen what religion does to their own people, you and I have had this discussion before I know. If prayers were answered and there was a God then he wouldn´t let those who are supposedly speaking for him and his word to deny any faithful and devoted follower to be denied Last Rites. My grandmother did nothing but be a faithful member of the church and when her first husband died, she was married several years later in the church. Even when she suffered from Ovarian cancer first and then Breast Cancer and went into remisson both times(50s,60s), she had her husband leave her and take the children when he found out about the ovarian cancer.

She suffered several losses that none of us ever wish to face and throughout it all she worked 10 hours a day and found time to go to church. The refusal of the Priest while my mom begged him to give her last rites was ignored. God allowed for something that horrible to happen, letting my grandmother spend her last hours on earth aware that she wouldn´t be given last rites. She died after her children left and felt she was going to hell. I don´t care who says what I can´t believe in something that would let his faithful that went by the book slowly die while having the knowledge she wouldn´t get into Heaven. I have no use for Organized Religion in a large part because of this, even though there are a few other times the *leaders* of Organized Religions have shown their true colors(It´s Green like the money they steal..I mean recieve so they can tell you what God says or means.)
 
  by: TaraB     02/10/2010 09:10 AM     
  @ Tara  
 
You are correct. We´ve had this conversation before. We both still have the same views on it, so to save time, let´s just go back to our older conversations. Thanks yo!
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/10/2010 10:07 AM     
  Tara,  
 
I am sorry to hear about your grandmother though.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/10/2010 10:08 AM     
  COG  
 
Yeah I knew that we wouldn´t move either way. Thank you, she believed she was going to meet her God and I hope that the idiot who one day realised he was all about the power and not healing.
 
  by: TaraB     02/10/2010 02:49 PM     
  @COG  
 
It is not prayers that got you out of your predicament and your past life style but rather the resiliency of conscience. There are soldiers who are in front line combating enemies, they are armed to their teeth, and yet when it comes to shooting an enemy, mind refuses to press that trigger.

Some of them soldiers, 75% of them, would rather get shot than shoot another human being. This conscience is the one that haunts us as human beings, not prayers.

Path that we chose, is a direct link to our inner sanctity. Some people, according to their environment know absolutely nothing about candor, it is a constant struggle with pangs of life, that hardens them at the core of humanity. When same people are faced with different environment, where kindness and humanity prevails, they realize a need to change.

These values are indoctrinated from various outlets, but the moment you give them values other than hospitality to mankind, you are creating a wedge of faith no matter how subtle it may look.

We like to support underdogs, people who fight giants and small conquering big, sometimes it is because we feel their position and relate it to ourselves, but the moment when they get to their goals, we start creating other underdogs to win against these ones. It is human.

religions have been the cause to many fights and Wars, yet they indoctrinate tolerance and intolerance of other faiths. Some of these religions go as far as ordering pillage and plundering until masses confirm to their god. IN fact Christianity literally stands on this principle more so than many other religions. Yet Bible teaches to turn the other cheek.

Choices we make define us as people. You have chosen to take the path of kindness, so has the priest who ordained you as an SNers Epriest {JK}, there are other priests who installed the same doctrine and went on to hurt, molest children which is a known fact.

Was it because their prayers were not answered? Once a priest is caught with his pants down (shaking that song out of my head now), one of the first thing you hear from the parishioners is, "he was such a good priest". These actions are a choice not prayers, and Devil made me do it, does not cut it.

Have you ever wondered why you chose the path? Is it to be good to humanity or, god who also preaches to smite those who do not confirm to Jesus, or the Bible, which is actually himself according to you.

This same God that you pray to, had to give up his own son to cleanse us of our sins! The style that he chose (If you believe this) was through violence.

http://nlt.scripturetext.com/... If you chose to turn this around and look at it as atonement, I say good for you, but this choice is yours COG, not Gods and his prayers, you just chose to be human.

Which I commend upon humanity. Not Christian, Muslim, Pagan or Jewish. Condemn atrocities on humanity, not because some one confirms to your God.
COG, give your self credit for choosing the path of righteousness, because the same priests whom you accredit are molesting children.
Peace and Out.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/10/2010 05:32 PM     
  @ Skcuss  
 
With the constant shift of ideas from post to post, it seems that you are voicing your beefs with Christianity, so I promise to keep this brief. It´s clear that we´re not going to agree here. There are 3 points I would like to make (I make these frequently).

1. I don´t follow religion, I´m in Christ.

2. I´m not Catholic.

3. Prayer works. Faith (and prayer) without works is dead. I will not attribute Godly deliverances to manmade efforts, not even my own.

Thank you for your time sir. I hope you have a great one (sincerely).

 
  by: C.O.G.   02/10/2010 07:25 PM     
  @COG  
 
I swear you really threw me off with your number 1 and 2. All these links from Bible websites and you are not Christian? Sorry brother. I sincerely mistook you for a Christian. My bad, I get that and I understand where you come from, however I dont have any beef with Christianity, Islam, or Judea. Only with Jewry, Muslim and Christians.

I will pen/type off and not amuse you any further with my ranting.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/10/2010 10:16 PM     
  Don´t Confuse Me With Facts I Have My Mind Made Up  
 
Already

Daniel Patrick Moynahan: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts".

Works on religion and politics. They appear to have a lot in common.
 
  by: ichi     02/10/2010 10:49 PM     
  Skcuss  
 
I´m a Christian, I´m not Catholic.

I´m a Christian, I´m not religious.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/11/2010 12:33 AM     
  @C.O.G.  
 
Detailed Summary
Anarchy Rules
Stationary Orbit
numb sensation
Fuzzy Logic
Pretty Ugly
Sunny Night
work party
Click start to shut down
alone in a crowd
freezer burn
open secret
found missing
head butt
left handed hammers
striped paint
Zero tolerance
Music Television
Living Dead
Civil Servant
plastic glasses
random order
Forced democracy
just war
Friendly fire
first strike defense
civil war
Christian Democrat
 
  by: justus4all   02/11/2010 09:45 AM     
   
 
Justus4all sober

lol.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/11/2010 09:49 AM     
  @justus4all  
 
Aw, cute. You´re like one of those stoner kids who tries really hard to be different by pretending that rambling randomly makes you an odd duck. Or as if you´ve got something really interesting going on up there that we all can´t understand.

What it really amounts to is a waste of time. Just so you know.
 
  by: Dayron   02/11/2010 10:16 AM     
  @ justus4all  
 
Richard Dawkins coined an oxymoron: deeply superficial.

Just wanted to join in...
 
  by: DarkLady   02/11/2010 11:05 AM     
  @Dark  
 
I was always a fan of Peacekeeper Missile myself.
 
  by: Dayron   02/11/2010 11:48 AM     
  @COG  
 
And you called the bearded mother "Confused"! Thank you Sir.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     02/11/2010 03:24 PM     
  @Dayron  
 
Thank you soo much for your well put thoughts, though I do wonder if you spent a significant amount of time into it. Thank you for your wonderful judgmental skills. These skills are well disserve and I do understand that it is only gained through experience and upbringing, I suppose if I had such a wonderful background such as yours of a good Christian family and well educated in a Christian and Religious background I would have gained such wonderful skills as yourself. Please forgive my humble opinion but your experience and methodology in your judgmental skills are way beyond my comprehension. Again this must come from a well educated religious background such as yours and a good Christian and a religious family upbringing. I know I am fully out of my league to discuses any thing but I do want you to know that though I have prayed night and day for more brain cells, thus far God has not answered any of my prayers, mater of fact God has not answered a single prayer for me. I am concern that maybe God answers prayers only for the "Chosen Few" such as you who come from such a wonderful Christian family. Just to let you know that I am diligently trying my best to preserve and value every one of my brain cells, hence I usually take select handful of vitamins including Ginkoba and stay away from such component as even Beer. I do fully understand that I should not even come close to comparing myself with intelligence such as yours who can afford to smoke the "funky wacky" on a daily biases and still be more intelligent then any one here on SN Again please except my apology. Maybe if you and COG prayed just a little for me and for my salvation, it might come true, I know that God hasn´t been listening to me, Guess it is good to be the select few who are "chosen people of God"
Matthew 7:1-2
Note: Above said, while ripping my shirt off of my chest and screaming loudly "Let Jeesus come into my hart and bring me the salvation I dually deserve and need, let all those heathens burn in hell for not following the teachings of the bible, let God smite those who make fool of the book"
 
  by: justus4all   02/11/2010 07:33 PM     
  ^^^^^  
 
Drugs.
 
  by: C.O.G.   02/11/2010 08:46 PM     
  ^^^^^  
 


Just in case you didn’t catch my point O YA MY RELIGIOUS BROTHERIN
Matthew 7:1-2

Matthew 7:1-2 (King James Version)
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

God bless you, Your God, there god any god
May you find peace and blessing however you choose
May you bring peace to others no matter what your belief is or is not
 
  by: justus4all   02/11/2010 10:58 PM     
 
 
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