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Hugo Chavez: United States Caused Haiti Quake Using "Shockwave Weapon"

 

Having recently accused the United States of using the devastating earthquake to militarily occupy Haiti, Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez has now claimed that the earthquake was caused by the US test firing an ´earthquake weapon´.

Chavez charges that in addition to the Haiti quake that killed 200,000, the US triggered the 2008 quake that killed 90,000 people in China and the quake in California early this year.

The Venezuelan leader alleges that these quakes were tests of a weapon that is going to be used on Iran to force regime change. He claims the weapons technology can also be used to trigger weather anomalies.

 
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  Erm..  
 
The source link seems to want me to buy a car?
 
  by: Anost1   02/15/2010 10:39 AM     
  Wow  
 
exploiting one of the world´s biggest tragedies for political points? Really? Way to be classy, Hugo Chavez.
 
  by: Lois_Lane     02/15/2010 10:50 AM     
  Cool your jets this is CRAP  
 
He never said anything of the sort

This story originated on some extreme right wingers blog and was picked up by a right wing newspaper in Spain which Fox news then ran with using the Spanish newspaper (ABC) as a source.It´s yet another example of complete crap thrown around about Chavez that just isn´t true .......

It was debunked on Jan 24the
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/15/2010 12:49 PM     
  That is sick...  
 
NT
 
  by: captainJane     02/15/2010 03:32 PM     
  C´mon think about it  
 
If the U.S. did have one of these supposed "shock wave" weapons, You know they use it.

The United States bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and killed a quarter of a million people. What makes anyone think they wouldn´t of done this if they could?
 
  by: MannyisHere     02/15/2010 03:50 PM     
  I showed this to my Venezuelan Friend  
 
He laugh so hard and said that everyday he is glad he left Venezuela.
 
  by: thedrewman   02/15/2010 04:37 PM     
  woops  
 
there´s an f word in there didn´t see that ...some admin better *** it out before someone gets offended :-)
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/15/2010 05:09 PM     
  @Lois_Lane  
 
The United States has admitted to having this weapon since 1996. Generals have openly discussed it in public. Proof of its use in Haiti has not been confirmed, but it has been speculated by several countries and news agencies of being a possibility. Especially since some U.S. forces were diverted to the region before the earthquake itself occured. One aircraft carrier was sent to the region four hours before the earthquake under "Operation Haiti rescue".

Several documentries have been made regarding this weapon, look them up. Jesse Ventura recently did a show on TruTV regarding it, just a month or two before the Haiti quake.

By the way, it is not invisable, it would definately be visable in the night sky unless there was heavy cloud cover, or of course they developed some way to hide its use. I´m undecided either way, but an estimated 1.2 million dollars per citizen of haiti has already been donated, and seems to be being funneled to U.S. corporations for "The reconstruction effort".
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     02/15/2010 05:39 PM     
  You can no more...  
 
Debunk this than prove any of your Anti-US sentiment HC.

Since 99% of anything stated here is reported via a medium with no first hand knowledge or experience of the issue... this is just as solid as any anti-American preaching you do.
 
  by: Pyronius     02/15/2010 07:00 PM     
  Weapon exist.  
 
Was it used, is it even that efficient, who knows. But it was developed after observing interesting reading when a certain communication system was used by submarines. I cant actually recall everything, but they used the sea floor to bounce back the signal.

If THAT was the weapon in use, it´s was upgraded like hell since then it would seem.
 
  by: Rv3   02/15/2010 07:36 PM     
  It was possible..  
 
it was used, but the other assertions that it was used are incorrect because there were signs that the quakes would happen before they happened.

But seriously, why attack such a poor nation?
 
  by: vhan     02/15/2010 09:44 PM     
  @vhan  
 
Haiti while being a poor nation, has a large unmined gold reserve, and about as much untapped oil reserves as Saudi Arabia since the U.N. extended countries coastal sea boarders out to 12 miles. Also, just causing the disaster gives an excuse to funnel free money to special interest reconstruction funds. As I stated earlier, with the money donated, we could give every citizen in haiti more then a million dollars U.S.
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     02/15/2010 10:02 PM     
  @ earthquake weapons  
 
though it seems possible it´s very improbable. wouldn´t we need hurricane weapons and tsunami weapons to fit this conspiracy. maybe it´s just 2012 coming around the bend waiting to take a chomp out of society.

my bet is this guy has been in power for the last 11 years or so and he has just ran out of stuff to do.

but i don´t understand why we have army infantry over in haiti and not in afghanistan, who´s calling the shots over here????????
 
  by: Devil Duck     02/15/2010 11:14 PM     
  @Tetsuru Uzuki  
 
Where are you getting this information from? Haiti has a population of just under 10mil. For every person to recive 1 million dollars that would mean 10 trillion dollars would have to be donated. Haiti does NOT have large untapped oil reserves and if you knew anything you would know that Haiti has squandered most of there natural resources by corruption and mismanagment and that includes any small ammount of gold they may of had. US generals have openly talked about an earthquake causing device before? Where are you getting any of your information from? I really hope you´re trolling and no one would actually believe the things you do.
 
  by: hothot   02/15/2010 11:15 PM     
  @hothot  
 
It´s no troll.
There are a ton of people on here that rage on about conspiracy´s that involve evil americans planning to loot and plunder smaller nations.

When dramatic things happen people always look for complex answers.
 
  by: pexa02   02/16/2010 12:20 AM     
  @ Hugo Chavez, the SN´er...  
 
I saw a video in which Prez HC claimed that a podium should be burned and was evil because the "devil man" Bush had touched it.

He is known for saying........ummmm...."eccentric".....things......

Sure that video was probably totally faked too, why not?
 
  by: moxpearl   02/16/2010 03:57 AM     
  Faux news at its best  
 
Chavez said the US took advantage of the earthquake to militarily invade Haiti. Faux News should be ashamed of their idiotic report. And that 1 million $ number came from some math challenged blogger who took 100 million in aid from the US and divided it by 10 million people and came up with 1 million per person instead of $10. Don´t know if Faux was responsible for that.
 
  by: woodswoman   02/16/2010 08:40 AM     
  @Pyronius  
 
hate to break it to you but if you go to borev.net the links you need to debunk this are all there...
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/16/2010 10:15 AM     
  @moxpearl  
 
yeah and if you saw the whole thing you would have seen that her recieved what the New York Times called "prolongued applause" from the floor of the UN .... did you see that?

probably not caus you saw the bit your corporate news channel wanted you to see the bait that would make you think ..."ohh this guy is a bit nutty" .... I heard Ronald Regan say bombing Russia would commence in 5 minutes and Bush saying he wanted to harm America ...get my drift
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/16/2010 10:18 AM     
  oh and Joshua  
 
since when is pointing out that a news story run by Fox is "anti-american" .I really would like you to explain that one to me , in fact what does "anti-american" mean ..... If I say I don´t like the policies of Berlusconi am I anti-Italian or if I say Gordon Brown´s policies suck, am I anti-British .That relating criticism of policies of the government to being anti that nation is something only Americans seem to say and is a true sign of an attitude that only exists in a totalitarian states.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/16/2010 10:23 AM     
  Chavez is forgot to take his mental pills again  
 
Logged in for the first time in a week and saw this article. Not surprised, but that doesn´t mean I´m not appalled.
An earthquake machine? He´s a joke desperately holding on to the failing authoritarian grip in his country.
It won´t be long before a coup is formed to overtake that mentally-ill wife-beating loud-mouth before he ruins Venezuela and worse than he already has.

@Hugo
“This story originated on some extreme right wingers blog and was picked up by a right wing newspaper in Spain which Fox news then ran with using the Spanish newspaper (ABC) as a source.”

If this story isn’t true, then why haven’t you produced one single link to prove otherwise? You loosely throw together a couple of paragraphs and make an off-hand reference to a site… but that’s it. We want links and sources.
You and the *real* Chavez appear to have a common thorn for free press and critical news. No wonder the both of you slam *real* news organizations.

“Mr. Chávez has taken new steps to tighten his authoritarian grip. On Sunday, without so much as a hint of due process, his government ordered cable systems to drop six television channels -- including RCTV, the country´s oldest and long its most popular station. The alleged offense was failing to broadcast Mr. Chávez´s live speeches -- of which there have been more than 140 in the past year alone, lasting up to seven hours each.
This is not the first attack on RCTV, which produces Venezuela´s most popular entertainment programming as well as news programs with an opposition bent. In 2007, Mr. Chávez ordered the channel off the public airwaves, also without the due process nominally required by law. That action prompted the birth of a student movement that under the slogans of free speech and democracy helped defeat the caudillo´s attempt to rewrite the constitution, and propelled opposition candidates to victory in Caracas and other major cities and states last year.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...


*Seven hour* long speeches??? Who would want to sit through all that hateful propaganda? That guy is a friggin lunatic!!
Not only is he crazy, he’s ruining his country and his people hate him:

“VENEZUELAN STRONGMAN Hugo Chávez is having a bad month. He´s been forced to devalue the currency and impose nationwide power cuts, steps that will worsen a serious recession and Latin America´s highest inflation. The U.S.-led humanitarian intervention in Haiti has undercut his propaganda about an evil American "empire." As his baseball-crazy country watches its annual championship series, a new slogan has gone viral: "Chávez -- You Struck Out." “
(Source same as link, above)

Here’s a GREAT article. This is just a small snippet of how horrible this man is. Visit the source for more.

“While the world has been preoccupied with the crisis in Haiti, Latin America has quietly passed through a tipping point in the ideological conflict that has polarized the region -- and paralyzed U.S. diplomacy -- for most of the past decade.
The result boils down to this: Hugo Chávez´s "socialism for the 21st century" has been defeated and is on its way to collapse.
During the past two weeks, just before and after the earthquake outside Port-au-Prince, the following happened: Chávez was forced to devalue the Venezuelan currency, and impose and then revoke massive power cuts in the Venezuelan capital as the country reeled from recession, double-digit inflation and the possible collapse of the national power grid. In Honduras, a seven-month crisis triggered by the attempt of a Chávez client to rupture the constitutional order quietly ended with a deal that will send him into exile even as a democratically elected moderate is sworn in as president.
Last but not least, a presidential election in Chile, the region´s most successful economy, produced the first victory by a right-wing candidate since dictator Augusto Pinochet was forced from office two decades ago. Sebastián Piñera, the industrialist and champion of free markets who won, has already done something that no leader from Chile or most other Latin American nations has been willing to do in recent years: stand up to Chávez.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
 
  by: CArnold     02/16/2010 11:29 AM     
  P.S.  
 
I´m surprised that a "certain member" named after a Latin American dictator hasn´t tried flooding the Politics news-group with his own "news" to push this story off the front-page. Very surprised.
 
  by: CArnold     02/16/2010 11:37 AM     
  @Manny  
 
"The United States bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and killed a quarter of a million people."

We were at war.
The US didn´t want to enter WWII. It wasn´t until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor that we did. Those bombs brought forth Japan´s surrender and saved thousands of American lives.
I´m not trying to say that American lives are more worthy than Japanese lives, but when you´ve had war declared on you it´s your government´s duty to protect the lives of its fellow countrymen.
 
  by: CArnold     02/16/2010 11:54 AM     
  Lol  
 
I´ll believe the americans have an earthquake weapon when they level a city that isn´t on the edge of a tectonic plate and therefore prone to earthquakes anyway.

TP
 
  by: ThinkPeople   02/16/2010 01:09 PM     
  @HC  
 
"That relating criticism of policies of the government to being anti that nation is something only Americans seem to say and is a true sign of an attitude that only exists in a totalitarian states."

Why is that a sign of it? Just because you say it is? I can use that internet logic too.. "Having idealistic tools hinging off his every word and emulating him on the internet proves Hugo Chavez is a complete moron." Awesome... I´ll have to remember that route from A to C.

Maybe you only hear it from Americans, since the general populous on this site utilizes it as a bitching ground about US.

I´m sorry your country is only mentioned once a year in the news when you all decide to subjugate yourselves to a stampede of cows, and everyone has a short chuckle at the trampled unfortunates... but really man green doesn´t suit you.
 
  by: Pyronius     02/16/2010 01:49 PM     
  HAARP  
 
HAARP has the capability of causing earthquakes in addituion it "steering" hurricanes or otherwise altering the weather.

and moreover nikolia tesla came up with the idea a century ago (show´s how far behind most people are in what is already possible).

(and yet it would most easily efect ciountries near or on tectonic plates; obviously)

and chavez apparently did say US caused it by testing a weapon and just happened to coinincidently exactly with a southcom drill of hurricane hitting haiti and the US military providing aid... though chavez never specifically mentions HAARP, nor "shockwave weapon", nor "earthquake machine".... AND chavez´s comment it based on russian intelligence... he´s not just making this claim up as


@carnold

"he’s ruining his country and his people hate him"

what because it populararity FINALLY got below 50% as opposed to be 60-67% from 2006..

and if you think he´s ruining the country you should have saw it before them... a year or two ago people were on his back about a milk shortage... milk is a luxury there, and before chavez almost no-one could get it.

hell half tjhe country has cable tv now... know how many had it before thim?... less than 1%, probably none.

anyone that think chavez is ruiining venezuela CLEARLY has their head up their ass, because they have no idea what it was like before him, and quite frankly the US funding propagandists in venezuela as they do in iran (and many other countries) isn´t helping his popularity polls none either.

"The US didn´t want to enter WWII."

the population didn´t the country´s leadership, and major corporate intrests did.

"Those bombs brought forth Japan´s surrender and saved thousands of American lives."

for one... bombs have NEVER saved lives.

for two japan had ALREADY surrender BEFORE the first bomb was dropped... butthe US wanted UNCONDITIONAL surrender so they could expand their empire into japan; which remains there to this day.

by today´s standards that wopuld at very least be called terrorism (and most of the world does regard it as the worst act of terroism in the world´s history), if not outright genocide.

"but when you´ve had war declared on you it´s your government´s duty to protect the lives of its fellow countrymen."

and technically the US declared war in japan by starting an oil embargo, which was the justiifcation for pearl harbor; though why US allowed pearl harbor to happen to jsutify their action, just as they knowingly sent the lustania to be sunk to justify entering WW1.
 
  by: HAVOC666     02/16/2010 02:16 PM     
  Lol...  
 
So the US declaring it would no longer supply Japan with oil was justification for them to attack us?

So if Canada decides to cut maple syrup exports to the US we can carpet bomb you guys and it will be morally correct?

And no Japan had not surrendered. Each side had it´s terms on the table and neither side agreed to the others. Surrendering isn´t saying "Ok, it´s over and this is what´s going to happen."
 
  by: Pyronius     02/16/2010 03:35 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
How embarrising for you


"If this story isn’t true, then why haven’t you produced one single link to prove otherwise?"

well I posted the article from borev.net and pointed out that all the links were there.

Sorry to make you look like an ass again but you really do walk into it a lot .
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/16/2010 03:40 PM     
  @All  
 
Carnold´s 2great article2 gets ripped to crap on borev as well just oin case you missed it ...oh the links are there too ;-) (in case he has one of his hissy fits...lol)


jackson Diehl: "Peep Peep Polls Peep Crumble Crumble Chavez Die, Peep!"

washingtonpeepscropped.jpgOk listen up ´cause Jackson Peep has something to say again, guys! Today the Washington Post published another hilarious rant from the grumpy old editorial board grumpbutt about how the Venezuelans are just about to turn against Hugo Chavez any minute now--only for realz this time, ok?

Followers of the Jackson Diehl oeuvre will remember that Chavez was totally on the cusp of being shitcanned two years ago over his economic policies. The polls said so! In November 2007 it was the HUMILIATION following dumb comments from the King of Spain that signaled his impending end. In March of that year the RCTV flap was going to do him in any day now. The polls, the polls! Those glorious/portentous/uncited polls! This time (again!) they are irrefutable proof that Chavez is super unpopular this month:

But Chavez´s approval ratings are still sinking: They´ve dropped to below 50 percent in Venezuela and to 34 percent in the rest of the region.

See?! This time around it is the Haiti earthquake and um, a drought that will be Chavez´s undoing. Also Chile elected a right winger so that means something important, too, either for Venezuela or "the rest of the region," that part was confusing.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/16/2010 03:46 PM     
  Nice work Carnold  
 
I think you officially made him dumber. His rage inspired, post aneurysm rant looks like something out of Animaniacs.

 
  by: Pyronius     02/16/2010 03:58 PM     
  @Pyronius  
 
not my rant it´s from borev... you know the page both of you refuse for some reason to check out when I pointed out that it debunks your arguments .In fact the American journalist who runs the site is usually pretty prompt on the email responses if your are so desperate as to question his sources although he hasn´t been around a lot of late due to work load ...but you could still try
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/16/2010 04:10 PM     
  oh and Pyronius  
 
"Why is that a sign of it? Just because you say it is?"


well not exactly ... " I can use that internet logic too" CAN YOU !! REALLY ... well here is the same point from the man the New York Times called the most important intellectual alive, he too is usually pretty responsive to e-mails ... let us all know how you get on ....lol

http://www.chomsky.info/...
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/16/2010 04:14 PM     
  I can´t believe  
 
Only one other person has heard of HAARP, which is exactly what Hugo Chavez is referencing.

If the United States has the capability to justify killing thousands of it´s own people, I´m certain they will have no qualms about killing dark, poor folks in another country. It is sick and pathetic what means these people will go through to get control, and what means they will use to manipulate people like Carnold to spout the same rhetoric and become talking robots for the U.S. Government. In your nationalist fervor you refuse to look at the hard evidence if it is critical of the U.S...In doing so you play right into their hands...
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/16/2010 06:04 PM     
  i´ve heard of haarp  
 
am i cool yet? =P
 
  by: djskagnetti     02/16/2010 10:49 PM     
  well  
 
does haarp exist? google it.
I dont know if it can be used to trigger an earthquake or not so i cant speculate on that.

America Inc. certainly has a motive though, seeing as how many countries sent doctors and medical aid, and America Inc. sent soldiers.

http://www.alertnet.org/...
 
  by: autocannibaldnb   02/16/2010 11:44 PM     
  @ pyro  
 
So if Canada decides to cut maple syrup exports

hahahaha

i was reading that while the song canadia by mc frontalot was playing
 
  by: Devil Duck     02/17/2010 12:32 AM     
  @Illustro Malum  
 
Wow your so smart awesome and amazing because your the only one to acctually break through america´s propaganda and think for yourself unlike the rest of us sheep...

Give me a break.

You sound like every other self indulgent, holier then thou, paranoid person on this site that looks down on everyone that doesn´t buy into every conspiracy theory thrown around.

sure we´re all just restards being manipulated by the U.S. government.
I...AM....ROBOT..

good luck with that point of view buddy.
 
  by: pexa02   02/17/2010 12:36 AM     
  @pexa02  
 
Nice try. The only individuals I look down upon are those intelligent enough to do their own research but refuse to accept the monumental evidence, and those complicit in these crimes. You sir fall in neither category. And buzz words like ´conspiracy theory´ definitely don´t help your point either, especially in this day and age, so go back to your Glenn Beck or Chris Matthews, or whatever fake left/right corporate controlled media you choose to accept as reality (which are all fed talking points from COINTELLPRO and NORTHCOM, mind you), and come back when you actually have something of value to add rather than immature, unprovoked attacks on people who discuss big boy subjects you know not a f()cking thing about!
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 04:32 AM     
  @pexa02  
 
Oh and by the way, you sound like every other wanna-be joker on this website "Uh-Oh, get out the tin foil hats! LOLz" when a controversial subject comes up, and then when the story is confirmed a week later through multiple sources, you got not a damn thing to say. That´s okay cause we all got your number. You think this is some kind of game? Is it real funny for you? I will take a giant sh!t on you son. Go ahead and try me, I got evidence for days that will bury you alive. Go ahead and construe a brain-dead robopost with your talking head of choice so I can promptly destroy it.
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 04:54 AM     
  @  
 
@Hugo
“hate to break it to you but if you go to borev.net the links you need to debunk this are all there...”

Hate to break it to *you*, but there are no links there --- just someone’s angry comments of the story being ridiculed (sound familiar?). In fact, the “contact us” portion of the site doesn’t even have a “link” to e-mail them. The e-mail addresses all use the (at) and (dot com) paraphrasing as if they’re using a blog engine/site that doesn’t allow site/e-mail addresses to be published.

Speaking of blogs… that’s *all* Borev is. It’s a blog written by someone that shares your ideologies and hate. Identically. Is this your blog, Hugo?

There are literally hundreds of reputable news-sites on the internet for you to use to back up your claim that all this is false… and the best you can do is a casual mention to a blog site to “back up” your claim that this story is false. I would throw in a “LOL” right now if I weren’t so dismayed at how stupid or naïve you really believe the members/visitors of this site are. You’ve used fictitious and dishonest links/posts/proclamations to defend your wild ideologies and views in the past, but you’re really resorting to desperate measures with this one. You obviously don’t have any self-respect or shame.


@Conspiracy theorists
There isn’t another member of this site that is more outspoken or critical of Obama’s policies and lack of leadership than me. None. And I don’t think any sane person would debate that.
But to suggest that he would allow some mythical superweapon to destroy a country like Haiti is pretty far-fetched. As much as I disagree with him, I know he’s a better person than that. Despite what many conclude from my politically related posts, I don’t think he’s some Devil-spawn nor do I believe he’s out to destroy America intentionally. He’s just a green president without a clue. Despite his inexperience, lack of true leadership, broken promises, lack of priorities, and his affiliations with radical and unsavory individuals… Obama is not an evil person and there is no way he would have done such a thing.
Lastly, no such “earthquake” device exists. You guys need to find a girlfriend and get a life that exists beyond Halo and George Noory’s Coast to Coast.
 
  by: CArnold     02/17/2010 10:30 AM     
  OMG!!!  
 
I just defended Obama!
Please tell me this is just a dream!
 
  by: CArnold     02/17/2010 10:33 AM     
  @Carnold  
 
No it´s not my blog it´s run by an American journalist and I do hate to break it to you that if you roll over the text it links to the sources of what he reporting on ...

they´re called hyperlinks in geekspeek

tell me if you believe Chavez said this post me a video of him saying it or indeed a press release from an official Venezualian government source ...it shouldn´t be difficult I mean wouldn´t one of thse reputable sources you refere to link to that sort of thing ???

 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/17/2010 10:42 AM     
  Just when you thought...  
 
America took the blame for everything possible... there was...

The Earthquake Machine. Dun dunn duuun.

Someone call the Power Rangers and disrupt that thing.
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 10:52 AM     
  @Hugo  
 
"they´re called hyperlinks in geekspeek "

Then geekspeek some hyperlinks in this thread. Not eveyone wants to visit your blog site.
 
  by: CArnold     02/17/2010 10:52 AM     
  CArnold  
 
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............so thats it you didn´t go to the blog ...cheers for clearing that one up .I was just begining to think you were blind or something worse
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/17/2010 10:55 AM     
  meanwhile  
 
we will all all sit here waiting for that video of Chavez saying this or the press release to that efffect .......tick tock ..........tick ......tock ................tick ..... (looks at clock) ...tock
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/17/2010 11:02 AM     
  Round and round  
 
This could go on for days and days with you, but I´m going to terminate it now.

It´s obvious to everyone that you´re full of crap. No links. No sources. Just a suggestion to visit your blog site.

Troll on, wannabe dictator. Troll on.
 
  by: CArnold     02/17/2010 11:05 AM     
  I really wish it were true.  
 
Because, well, being part of a country with weather weapons? That´s pretty awesome =P But you´ll have to excuse me while I ignore Hugo on this one.
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 11:28 AM     
  News is fake  
 
From http://theantipress.blogspot.com/...

"Within the actual story, ABC noted that the information came from an obscure opinion post on the website of a Venezuelan state television channel, VIVE Television. The post referenced a supposed Russian military report on American seismic weapons.

All quotes subsequently attributed to Chavez regarding Haiti and earthquake weapons were in fact direct quotes from this web posting - none of which was ever uttered by Chavez."
 
  by: MouseJunkie     02/17/2010 11:28 AM     
  @Mouse  
 
Thanks for the info, but that´s from yet another blog.
What we do in these threads is considered "blogging". And to take the words of some of the people in these threads without a verifiable source is like believing in Global Warming while 49 of the 50 states are under snow.
 
  by: CArnold     02/17/2010 11:42 AM     
  @Illustro Malum  
 
Of course plenty of people have heard of HAARP. It´s an unclassified program that, despite it´s benefits, is more well known for being a "potential weapon". But the existence of such a program doesn´t prove anything. To be honest, even if the US government DID have a weather/disaster machine it wouldn´t prove anything. Earthquakes on major fault lines can´t happen? Floods? Hurricanes? Are we to believe that anytime a natural disaster occurs somewhere outside of the US, that the US caused it for some unknown benefit?

The US destroyed Haiti so that we could waste billions of dollars, shifting military manpower on helping aid the country with medicine, food and other relief? ... So, we´re smart enough to control the weather, but not smart enough to use it where it will benefit us?

It´s nothing new for the US to use it´s research for the sake of military power. So, yeah, sure, HAARP is and has probably already been exploited for those purposes. But wheres the gain in destroying Haiti? Why do it?

...I´m just trying to think this through in terms of a super evil, mysterious secretive government. Because if I ruled that government, and it´s weather machine, I would build a fake city on some uncharted island somewhere, so that the rest of the world couldn´t possibly catch on. Nobody would hear about the research, and nobody would know it was being conducted.
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 11:43 AM     
  @CArnold  
 
Meh, but at the end of the day, the verifiable source you finally accept was written by a human being just the same. Granted a more powerful human being, with lots of money and influence. =P
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 12:02 PM     
  @ CArnold  
 
Read the blog entry and the comments, have a look at the links posted there and then make up your mind.

Aside from that, I still haven´t seen anyone post a link to the statement he is supposed to have made. As SN´s Hugo Chavez says... tick tock... .
 
  by: MouseJunkie     02/17/2010 12:03 PM     
  @Mouse  
 
yeah but some people bought the whole WMDs in Iraq hook line and sinker when corporate media was beating the drum of war however the bloggers and "alternative" and grassroots media were stating the bloody obvious and who turned out to be right ,some people never learn I guess .

Love the ending of that article

"In the end, it serves as one more reminder to those who prefer truth over ideological delusion: there are some subjects for which the myths of journalistic standards will still be displayed - stories about the government of Venezuela are not one of those subjects."
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/17/2010 02:15 PM     
  Blown away  
 
By the amazing amount of credit people give, and continue to give, the American government in forward planning and imagination with its world-changing superweapons and underground conspiracies.

If you can create a catastrophic earthquake, why not shake up the mountain borderlands where Bin Laden is apparently hiding? The Iranian SAM sites? The North Korean artillery bunkers overshadowing Seoul? Who benefits from flattening a poverty-stricken slum city?

Rational people should be applying Occam´s Razor to every conspiracy theory, because the world is boring, bland, and none of it is even remotely as exciting as your wishful thinking would hope for.

It was an earthquake.
It was a weather balloon.
It was Lee Harvey Oswald.
America went to the moon.
Al-Qaeda did 9/11.
It´s for ionospheric research.
They measured the shadows of the pyramids.

 
  by: Tek   02/17/2010 02:49 PM     
  Okay  
 
@Carnold

Thank you for a rational reply. I tend believe that you will find no other individual that voted for Obama as critical as me. That being said, I don´t believe Obama had a thing to do with the Haiti earthquake. But see, thats the problem, the first person people assume the root of the problem is a practically powerless political figurehead. We associate all our problems with the president, and don´t look at the real agencies with power, like the CIA, Military Special Operations, Space Command, etc, and the Corporations embedded in the Military industrial complex such as Raytheon, Xe, GE, Northrop Grumman, etc among many others with no oversight, no transparency, and receiving their funding from outside sources...And thats cute, HAARP doesn´t exist because you say so...Nevermind the pictures, video footage, eyewitness reports, documentation, even an Alaskan Senator´s brother produces damning information on the installation which is there for the whole world to see...So I don´t know what to tell you, if you want to pretend its imaginary for your own benefit go right ahead.

@Dayron, Tek
If the first year of this administration has taught us anything, there is no concern about how much money we spend. This military operation costs much less than say the war in Afghanistan, and it´s long term benefits are immeasurable. Also from a Eugenicist´s standpoint this is a dream come true. A seemingly natural disaster wiping out thousands and thousands of people. Considering this is a ´test fire´, I would say the results for them are pretty damn successful. Iran or Russia could certainly be next, that is if they could pull off the attack without receiving blame...

We can´t apply Occum´s Razor to every detail in these subjects because there is simply not enough information to know. Why didn´t we catch Osama Bin Laden in 98, 00, 2001 and 2007, when the opportunity was clear? Is it a ´conspiracy´?

 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 05:13 PM     
  @Illustro Malum  
 
"We can´t apply Occum´s Razor to every detail in these subjects because there is simply not enough information to know."

Sure, true, but it sure helps to have some sort of backing information. You know, an idea of WHY you believe the way you do, other than a gut feeling or because it´s part of your way of thinking. If I don´t have any reason to believe one way or the other, I stay neutral. Sure, it´s the boring way out, but what´s the benefit of coming to a conclusion because it sits well with me? That´s the same thing the religious do.

The existence of HAARP and an earthquake in Haiti don´t have to be related. But, the same could be said vice versa. But the reason I choose to believe the former is because, well, Haiti´s on a fault line. It makes sense. There´s atleast a shred of logic to be taken into account.

If I´m to entertain the HAARP theory of Haiti, I would need to see some sort of benefit develop from the catastrophe. Unless the U.S. governments "big plan" is to completely cripple itself until it falls.

Why does it have to be the US government anyway? =P Blah. What can´t it be a collective of shadow governments within already existing world governments who pull the strings of entire nations, even within them, without anyone being the wiser.

Now, see, that´s a conspiracy worth its weight. Not this "why didn´t we catch Bin Laden" stuff. That would have been a horrible strategy in terms of doing what we wanted in the Middle East =P But you knew that.
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 05:34 PM     
  @Dayron  
 
"Sure, true, but it sure helps to have some sort of backing information. You know, an idea of WHY you believe the way you do, other than a gut feeling or because it´s part of your way of thinking. "

Absolutely. From the information I´ve gathered about HAARP already, and then with Chavez´s statements (information gained from Russian intelligence), I tend to believe this conspiracy. Despite the first notion for many people leaning on the conspiracy side of a ´super-powerful earthquake weapon that can level any city within a matter of minutes´, I tend to digress. There would have to be certain factors in play, such as living next to a fault line, and how particularly active the fault line is. You can´t just aim it at Moscow or Tehran and bam! 9.0 earthquake!

The theory of spending ourselves out of existence also ties into corporate consolidation and buying up the American economy by the power elites. You aren´t too far off when you talk about a collective shadowy government, however the U.S. military, intelligence agencies and so on are mere tools for their purposes, and the elected & appointed officials are the yes men for their cause (in most cases, then you get the occasional individual who stands up, then is summarily cast out and then appears on Alex Jones show shortly after). But we all know the ringleaders by now, Mossad, CIA, EU Security, MI5/MI6, along with about 595 corporations in practically every sector including Finance, Banking, Insurance, Arms and Weapons, Food Production, Oil and Natural Gas, Investment, Building Materials...if it´s essential to life they have money on it!
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 05:55 PM     
  @Dayron  
 
And yeah I knew that @ bin ladin. Just seems really funny when people say the world is a lot more boring than it really is, yet conspiracies are a part of every day life, in the media, in the workforce, in family life even.
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 05:58 PM     
  Bottom line  
 
Conspiracies are part of our humanity, our psychological thought process, the way we conduct business...there´s very few aspects of life where a conspiracy on some level or another cannot be applied. Take this psychological understanding of the human nature, and apply it on a broader scale, and this is exactly what you get.
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 06:11 PM     
  @Illustro Malum  
 
"Just seems really funny when people say the world is a lot more boring than it really is, yet conspiracies are a part of every day life, in the media, in the workforce, in family life even."

Because that opinion is probably held by a very boring person. I´m going to guess about 5´9, 140 pounds, dark hair, lacks creativity, stuck at a dead-end job, hasn´t even considered the vastness of the universe, let alone the incredibly complex ways of it. You know. That guy.

"Life is way boring, maaaaan."

Alright, so I got way off there. Point is (is there a point?) even if someone disagrees with the more well-known conspiracies, yes, we should consider that human beings comitt these "conspiracy-laden" actions every day. They´re just not on such a huge scale. Which lends support to those that ARE on such a huge scale. If that makes any sense whatsoever. Doesn´t matter. I´m high on caffeine and the duty day is over.

Wait a minute. What if all the major, well known conspiracies are a diversion to the real ones we´re totally ignoring because we´re so involved with this other stuff? Bwhaha! *cackle*

Anyway.
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 06:29 PM     
  Bah  
 
Everything written on the Internet now is just some fat mindless idiot pounding his keyboard; a blog is just as credible as any right-wing news service that exists. Don´t believe anything you read on the Web, people,....and don´t believe 90% of what you see with you own eyes. Every outlet is an expert at deception.
 
  by: Lurker     02/17/2010 06:41 PM     
  It´s TRUE !  
 
"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanos remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves ... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations ... It´s real, and that´s the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

--
Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn


Our earthquake machine can beat up your earthquake machine!

Bring ´em on!

LOL

Anything to keep fear alive.
 
  by: DeepSand   02/17/2010 06:48 PM     
  Lol  
 
Stereotyping Dayron? I thought better of you!

Either way, if this stuff is true or not, I don´t live in fear, I don´t constantly look out the windows and wonder why that van across the street has been there 15 minutes too long...If they want me they can come get me and I´ll give them a serious piece of my mind. If they kill me I know I´m right with God or whoever is on the benevolent side of things...Bottom line is I´m not afraid, and neither should anyone else. No one should be afraid to ask questions, and everyone should explore possibilities & demand answers until all questions are settled. If that´s too much for them, then that´s too bad. They work for us and if they can´´t take the heat get the f()ck outta the kitchen!
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 07:15 PM     
  etc ...  
 
A high government official (Secretary of Defense) actually made the above statement to the press implying that terrorists are hard at work developing machines to activate volcanoes, trigger earthquakes and climate change etc.

Why was this important info on climate change missing from the UN climate report? It´s just as important as all their other scare tactics!

LOL

I wonder what this official was high on. Wish I had some!

Here is the original statement on the official US gov website.
http://www.defense.gov/...

Now you know who is really behind climate change and earthquakes!
Terrorists! Who else? The same ones who recruited my pet cat to spy on me!
 
  by: DeepSand   02/17/2010 07:16 PM     
  @Deepsand  
 
My first thought was they used ´terrorists´ as a cover for countries such as Russia, China, India, Pakistan, etc...easy way to push our military to build these weapons without naming names and stirring controversy.
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/17/2010 07:26 PM     
  @Dayron  
 
"wheres the gain in destroying Haiti?"

Well, just to play Devil´s advocate for a minute, the US is pulling out of Cuba soon, and Haiti is only a few miles from Venezuela. It would kind of nifty to have a US base there.

And by the way, I did find some videos on youtube that mentioned the speech where Chavez blames the US for the earthquake. But I couldn´t find actual footage of it. However, if Hugo really has clamped down on the cable channels, they may not be allowed to export this footage. I did find some interesting videos about HAARP, but nearly every one of them made a point that the research still very much theoretical.

@havoc666
Do you really think that everyone who dislikes him would feel brave enough to speak out against him? I can´t really play Devil´s advocate here, because then I would be on Hugo´s side. But I believe that any government that stifles free speech just on the basis of it not being in agreement with current policy can ALWAYS be likened to Stalin´s government, or Hitler´s, or Mussolini´s, no matter what the intention of the oppressor is. I guess some people think that a dictatorship is best, but I´m of the opinion that it´s mostly the dictators themselves that find it to be a good thing.

@all
If you look back through the history books, you will find that it was the CIA that almost provoked WWIII, in the Bay of Pigs. If there´s any US involvement, I would suspect them first again, rather than trying to blame the military. They are the ones that absolutely must have control of everything. Personally, I can´t picture someone like General Petraeus or Stormin´ Norman Schwarzkopf thinking in these terms. However, I can picture someone like the head of the CIA or the NSA thinking like this.
 
  by: WillyMaykett   02/17/2010 07:46 PM     
  On The Fence.  
 
Until I have 100% factual proof that Chavez said this I really don´t believe it. Yes, he has said a lot of off the wall stuff but it´s never been anything as radical and idiotic as this. As for him calling Bush the devil. Some would agree with him lol. But we won´t get into that.

A lot of people look at Chavez as a bad guy but personally when you look deeper than the news and actually get to know him meh. He definitely stands his ground and doesn´t budge from outside influence from other countries. Just like any nation or country´s leader should be really. Have a damn backbone and care about your people and what your country thinks not every other country out there. Might be selfish of me to say but that´s just how it is.
 
  by: Quintessence   02/17/2010 07:59 PM     
  Chavez should be tested for STD´s  
 
Hugo, your brain is slowly being destroyed by something (your face is also). What would you do if you had a shockwave weapon? Probably be using it every day to see what mayhem he could be putting on the planet. God knows he hates America, freedom, capitalism and everything we stand for.... but he loves those dollars we trade for his oil.
Now where do we keep this so called ´shockwave weapon´? Is it something that would fit in the back of a truck or do we have it orbiting the earth? Wouldn´t it be classified as a WMD? Maybe we aimed it at Cuba and missed?
But then again, who but the slaves of Venezuela take anything Hugo Chavez seriously? He´s the laughing stock of the world. Devalue your fiat money all you want, your oppressed people will rise up and drop you off a long pier with a short rope.
Then Chavez said his time travel machine is almost ready. And his black hole maker. And his lead-to-gold alchemy. And his eternal life elixer. But his greatest effort is the magic wand.
Loooooooooooony tunes music playing in the background whenever Chavez talks.
 
  by: mahammadabba   02/17/2010 08:23 PM     
  True, true something that happened 65 years ago  
 
"The United States bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and killed a quarter of a million people."
It was done to end the war with Japan. I doubt you were even alive at that time.
If it saved one American life it was worth it.
 
  by: mahammadabba   02/17/2010 08:30 PM     
  Here´s Your Proof  
 

Straight from Faux News - The ultimate authority on truth!

http://www.foxnews.com/...

LOL



http://www.digitaljournal.com/...

http://www.presstv.ir/...

It originated in a Spanish language newspaper, so it may take some time to travel.



If you want the info from original source of the story (in Spanish):

http://www.abc.es/...
 
  by: DeepSand   02/17/2010 08:47 PM     
  @Illustro  
 
"Stereotyping Dayron? I thought better of you!"

Haha, I thought it was pretty specific! He was 5´9!
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 08:56 PM     
  @Willy  
 
"Well, just to play Devil´s advocate for a minute, the US is pulling out of Cuba soon, and Haiti is only a few miles from Venezuela. It would kind of nifty to have a US base there."

Interesting, we´ll see how this plays out.
 
  by: Dayron   02/17/2010 08:57 PM     
  @mahammadabba  
 
I completely agree with that. That´s the standard argument that I usually get form liberals when I tell them my opinion that Iran should be denied nuclear weapons: "the only country to ever use a nuclear weapon is America." My answer to that is always the fact that America used the nukes to end a war, and the supposition that Iran would use them to start a war. There´s a huge difference, because, in modern times, if one nuke gets launched, that will be the end of the world, because we would have to launch one back, and then Russia would have to come to the aid of their ally (Iran) and they would launch on us, and so on. This already almost happened with Cuba, back in the late fifties, so we absolutely know that Russia will join in.

It´s kind of amazing to me that Hugo hasn´t made the connection between himself and Saddam Hussein. Saddam was posturing just exactly like that, and doing his little "death to America" chants right before we went over there and did something about it. Chavez is behaving almost exactly the same now. The only difference is that we now have a president that empathizes with the socialists.
 
  by: WillyMaykett   02/17/2010 11:05 PM     
  @Conspiracy Theorists  
 
An earthquake weapon is small peas compared to the *real* superweapon that America has developed.
I´m surprised that none of you mentioned this weapon that was developed in cooperation with Stark Industries:

http://www.cibercomics.com/...



America could literally take over the world with this weapon.
 
  by: CArnold     02/17/2010 11:42 PM     
  Woodswoman Has It Nailed  
 
"Faux News at its best"

More idiotic crap from a hate spreading divisive, clarion of the moronic.
 
  by: ichi     02/18/2010 12:20 AM     
  @Illustro Malum  
 
Wow....
"I will take a giant sh!t on you son"

and you called me the immature one?

"You think this is some kind of game? Is it real funny for you?"

I don´t think it is a game but i think you are VERY funny

"and come back when you actually have something of value to add rather than immature, unprovoked attacks on people who discuss big boy subjects you know not a f()cking thing about!"

God your hilarious.

Listen big boy, You currently have the title of keyboard warrior here...not me.
I´ve had plenty of input into this site regarding a variety of topics so either you´re new here or rarely visit it.

If you´re done with your assumptions, threats and attempted putdowns then you should take a breathe and think about who the burden of proof is currently on.
Anyone can say anything on the internet and call them selves smart because others don´t believe it, it´s only when there is factual evidence (not grainy videos showing nothing or cherry picked quotes) that it can mean something and be taken seriously

 
  by: pexa02   02/18/2010 01:07 AM     
  @pexa02  
 
There is no burden of proof on me because a good bit has already been proven. The main problem is, the information has never been edited, streamlined, and glossed to a shiny mainstream finish for mass consumption and distribution. Every bit of the establishment media fears it like the plague, and promptly refuses to cover it except in a very skeptical standpoint. But you can see the hypocrisy within their own reporting. For example, look at Glenn Beck (Fox News) and Chris Matthews (MSNBC) parroting each other on Debra Medina. You don´t even have to look as far as the internet or tv, hell look at history books and the eternal war with establishment aristocrats hijacking the government, a problem faced by every country on the globe. The United States has somehow gained the notion that it´s citizens are immune from such dangers and we´re all good honest people, and that´s when you should know Murphy´s Law comes swinging down. What should be one of the most trusted groups, journalists, have sold out to the highest bidder. Give me your favorite news reads and I will give you a detailed history on that company and their affiliations with corrupt elite power brokers. The mainstream political news cycle is a front and a show for every American out there, to keep us distracted and naive about the things that should matter most. Just think about it next time you watch a political talk show, and hopefully you have a moment of self-realization and say, ´Wow, this is stupid, this is just all pure entertainment, no substance, no change, no direction´, and realize that since nothing has changed an alternative must be out there. There must be some part of you that says, "Hey, this definitely isn´t the whole story". You know?

Oh by the way, you´re a poopyhead.
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/18/2010 03:55 AM     
  LOL  
 
"monumental evidence"

Yeah, right.
 
  by: Lurker     02/18/2010 04:13 AM     
  Earthquakes ? Us  
 
Faux news is one America´s most powerful secret weapons - literally!

:)

If the USA could actually do that, they would never have bothered with Haiti.
There are other targets FAR more worthy and far more important to the USA than Haiti.
Like the nearest Scientology headquarters.


But, if he really believes it, then tell him to apologize or else!

Next time there´s a major earthquake, remember - We did it!

You may be next, Hugo, so watch your mouth!

Earthquakes ? Us!
 
  by: DeepSand   02/18/2010 04:43 AM     
  @DeepSand  
 
your´re having a laugh with that "proof" arent you .

We´ve already established that this "Chavez said" story originated from a comment made on a Venezualian tv web site blog thingie was picked up by a russian news agency (which nobody had ever really heard of) saying the comment was an offical "press release" this in turn was picked up by ABC nespaper ( a paper with reputation for making Fox news look liberal)which in turn was picked up by Fox and nobody needs a link for this you can go to google and check it out for yourself , as was already posted .This thread has gone in different directions some saying this weapon exists others saying it doesn´t .Personally I don´t care if it does or not the point I´m making here is if anyone actually has a press release or video image of Chavez accusing the US of causing the earthquake in Hati (not archive footage over 4 months old of him drowned out by a newsreader ) then post it ...but post it first to FAUX news caus if it exsisted believe me they would already have it on their website and Carnold would have it here and be all smug about it rather than calling me names and legging it. We can argue my source is better than yours all we want the FACTS remain if Chavez said this FAUX would have the proof on their web for all to see and not source a Spanish newspaper sourcing a Russian newsagency sourcing a cxomment on a TV blog (does that sound like the way a credible newsagency would opperate to you )It´s like a guy who knows a girl who lived nextdoor to a family member of a girl who went out with a bloke who knew Chavez told me he´s a Republican ...."we report you decide" ..............I mean be serious that is not credible news no matter how much corporate money there is behind it .

oh and Carnold if you don´t believe in blog reporting I suggest you read (if you do read books that is )a book called "Beyond the Green zone" by Dahr Jamail (don´t worry he´s American) and we can discuss the changes news reporting and reporters credibility have gone through since the invention of the tuby internet thingie and how you watch news reports from reporters that aren´t even in the place they are reporting from.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/18/2010 08:26 AM     
  Hugo Slavia  
 
Don´t take me too seriously!

Faux news is more like Comedy Central to me than serious news.


I had to track it down and see for myself what kind of nonsense it was - it wasn´t in any ´real´ news media - that´s a red flag right there.

But - some people actually believe stuff like that and former Secretary of Defense William Cohen apparently wants people to believe it too.

I wonder why.

:)
 
  by: DeepSand   02/18/2010 08:35 AM     
  Following this line of reasoning...  
 
my breathing and farts are leading to global warming because I am emitting CO2 and methane. I am to blame because either two of the actions never occur naturally </sarcasm>

@Hugo
Bro, no use arguing what is fact and fiction. People are set in their ways of thinking, and there is only a small minority of people that are open to perhaps modifying their way of thinking.

I applaud you for exposing the truth and I believe you. However, you´re fighting an uphill battle bro. Hugo´s said some crazy stuff before, so naturally people are inclined to believe stuff like this even if it isn´t true.

As far as doomsday devices, every militarized modern nation has one. Whoever did say this is stupid, because Haiti is of no consequence to any nation and does not meddle in the affairs of other nations.

As far as weather is concerned, no scientist is able to form artificial cloud coverage, or control wind currents, yet, which is the key component to any major storm anomaly. Russians have only been able to disperse clouds to reduce snow fall, but that´s about it.

EUREKA!! Haitian pirates did it to turn Haiti into a pirate paradise! </sarcasm>
 
  by: questworldz     02/18/2010 08:44 AM     
  DeepSand  
 
oh right i thought you were being serious there for a second ...

and how dare you use Faux news and Comedy Central in the same line of text....

Comedy central does more serious reporting than faux ever did ....


actually faux did once do a great piece on contaminated milk in the US before warning Americans they were drinking puss infected milk ...of course as soon Murdoch took over and the story was killed so as not to lose corporate sponsorship for the channel but hey they tried ....that was the last time I think they actually did any reporting that wasn´t opinion based preaching
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/18/2010 08:48 AM     
  @questworldz  
 
you´re right there my only advice to people is when you hear some crazy crap coming form Chavez ... check it out before you start to form an opinion 9 out of 10 times it´ll be complete crap and the other time you can put down to that crazy Latin American spirit they all seem to have and the fact that he reportedly drinks 28 cups of coffee a day ...

like when you see a story about how that insane dictator is now telling people how long they can stay in the shower (remember that one) 5 minutes "goggle research" will fill you in on the bit your corporate media left out like the fact that the country is in the middle of a historic drought ....so telling people not to spend all day in the shower actually makes a lot of sense etc
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/18/2010 09:05 AM     
  HOLY CRAP  
 
I was just checking that it was in fact Fox involved in that milk story when I found this little gem ...


you ready


FOX NEWS Reporters (Reporters Steve Wilson & Jane Akre) uncover that most of the Milk in the USA and across some parts of the world is unfit to drink due to Monsanto Corporation´s POSILAC®, which has been proven to be a cancer-causing growth hormone.(known in short as "BGH" "BST" or "rBGH" ), but they were fired for trying to tell people the truth.

(Important note: After a long court battle, the Court dismissed the whistle blowers protection for the reporters because the Court stated that there was no law to force that the NEWS state the truth! Fact! Going on to say the NEWS was no different than other TV shows/reality shows!!)


so there you have it "no law to force that the NEWS state the truth" if anyone knows any more about this I´d love to know ... BTW I think Evo Morales wants to introduce law making it illegal for politicians to lie to reporters .....lets see how it goes
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/18/2010 09:09 AM     
  Where´s Chavez?  
 
Where is the *real* Chavez amidst all this? If he didn´t say it, then why hasn´t he come out to set the record straight? Is he too busy hiding in his basement with his tin-foil hat on?

It´s not like the jerk is afraid to speak --- he gives 7-hour long speeches!


"United States Navy test of one of its ´earthquake weapons´ which was to be used against Iran, went ´horribly wrong´ and caused the catastrophic quake in the Caribbean, the website of Venezuela´s ViVe TV recently reported, citing the Russian report.
After the report was released, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez also made a similar claim, saying that a US drill, carried out in preparation for a deliberate attempt to cause an earthquake in Iran, had led to the deadly incident in Haiti, claiming more than 110,000 lives."
http://news.bbc5.tv/...


For those unaware, ViVe TV is one of Venezuela´s government-run TV stations.


Per this story´s source:


"The story has since been taken down from the Venezuelan Web site, but a Google cache of the charges remains intact.
The publication of the story came just days after Chavez himself accused the U.S. of using the earthquake as an excuse to "invade and militarily occupy Haiti," a nation so poor that its entire economy is based on foreign aid — particularly from the U.S.

"The empire (the U.S.) is taking Haiti over the bodies and tears of its people," he said at a press conference.

"I read that 3,000 soldiers are arriving, Marines armed as if they were going to war. They are occupying Haiti undercover."
http://www.foxnews.com/...


Just because there isn´t a video of his vine-swinging comments doen´t make them non-existent.

Nutty-butty Chavez is an ass.
 
  by: CArnold     02/18/2010 09:28 AM     
  @Hugo  
 
"I think Evo Morales wants to introduce law making it illegal for politicians to lie to reporters .....lets see how it goes"

Yo! You´re joking right bro? I just fell off my couch. This not time well spent.

"...introduce law making it illegal for politicians to lie to reporters..."

LMAO! I just about shat in my pants when I found these definitions for politician:

1. a schemer who tries to gain advantage in an organization in sly or underhanded ways

2. (adj) politician
cunning; using artifice; politic; artful

3. one primarily devoted to their own advancement in public office, or to the success of a political party; -- used in a depreciatory sense; one addicted or attached to politics as managed by parties (see Politician, 2); a schemer; an intriguer; as, a mere politician

I don´t think Evo´s gonna have much luck there bud. He´s not the first to try.
 
  by: questworldz     02/18/2010 09:34 AM     
  @CArnold  
 
do you really think the real Chavez gives a rats arse about accusations made in ABC or fox news or by yourself ... lol

I think he has better things to do ...

so basically according to your logic you don´t need any proof if someone doesn´t specifically come out and deny your accusations then they´re true ...lol

That really shows us your knowledge of the workings of the modern media

oh and while you´e on the BBC web site you might want to check out that Chavez wasn´t the only Latin American leader concerned at the number of US troops in Hati ...of course it´s Ironic the US could even find the country as you weren´t allowed to report on the place until the earthquake caus any mention that the country might raise the point that that´s probably what Cuba would look like if it got in line with American policy and followed the "free market free trade all for us and you can go shove it" policies the US has forced on Latin America for the last 150 years

oh BTW thanks for proving me right " the website of Venezuela´s ViVe TV recently reported, citing the Russian report" ...did you actually read that before you cut and paste it ?

now read the bit of the blog you couldn´t be arsed to read earlier


"A website operated by a Venezuelan state TV channel included a link to the post in their roundup of Haiti coverage from all over the country."

But as it was the BBC that pointed that out I suppose it makes it real ...the comments on the troops have nothing to do with this at all !BTW the BBC hates Chavez there´s a good article on their coverage if you´re collecting "good articles" on Venezuela :-)

SEE

ta da !
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/18/2010 11:47 AM     
  @HC Everything out of context  
 
As far as the term anti-American and your attempt to make turn my words and utilize them to identify the US as a "totalitarian state", you completly missed the point of your sacred Chomsky´s bit on the statement.

It´s in regards to referring to one´s own statesman for questioning their own government. You try to downplay everyone else for not scouring over your "evidence" of whatever, but even you don´t understand the concepts of what you are reading or preaching.

Me calling you anti-American is no more indicating of anything than me calling Osama-Bin Laden anti-American. That´s a concept few people in the world would disagree with, so are you to say most of the world is totalitarian states in disguise. Not to mention at your fail for quoting word for word...since he stated that anti-Americans counterpart was only used in totalitarian/ military governments...
 
  by: Pyronius     02/18/2010 02:09 PM     
  @pyronius & carnold & willymaykett & mahammadabba  
 
@pyroius

"So the US declaring it would no longer supply Japan with oil was justification for them to attack us?

So if Canada decides to cut maple syrup exports to the US we can carpet bomb you guys and it will be morally correct?"

your seriously comparing oil (a nesessary natural resource) to maple syrup (a sugary luxury)... are you a moron or just plain crazy... how many country´s industry and electrical grid run on syrup.

try to think once and awhile.

"And no Japan had not surrendered. Each side had it´s terms on the table and neither side agreed to the others. Surrendering isn´t saying "Ok, it´s over and this is what´s going to happen.""

actually YES that was a surrender, japan had ended the war on there end MONTH earlier, mostly via mounting military losses of their navy), but the US didn´t... but not an UNCONDITIONAL surrender... without an unconditional surrender the US wouldn´t have been able to extend their empire into japan (and keep it there to this day), which was exactly their goal, otherwise they would have accepted the surrend MONTHS before the bombs were dropped btu the US wanted to make a statement to the world with the nuclear bomb, they NEVER needed to use it... anyone that know WW2 history (rather than the revisionist history most of us were taught for years) knows this.


@carnold

"It´s obvious to everyone that you´re full of crap. No links. No sources. Just a suggestion to visit your blog site"

go do you own damn research for a change... not everyone should have to cater to you... you are not king carnold. get off your high horse and do some research rather than just denying everything you disagree with regardless of how much evidence is mopunted against you or how little evience back up your claims.

And no Japan had not surrendered. Each side had it´s terms on the table and neither side agreed to the others. Surrendering isn´t saying "Ok, it´s over and this is what´s going to happen."


@willymaykett

"But I believe that any government that stifles free speech just on the basis of it not being in agreement with current policy can ALWAYS be likened to Stalin´s government, or Hitler´s, or Mussolini´s, no matter what the intention of the oppressor is."

chavez can´t be placed into the same category... and anyone that knows about chavez would know this... after the 2002 coup that temporarily overthrew chavez´s government, he could have jailed every member of RCTV for treason and been completely justified in doing so (or anyone else involved for that matter)... yet he allowed them to continue operating despite being party to treason, inspired and backed by the US under bush jr...

hardly dictatorial.


@mahammadabba

"God knows he hates America, freedom, capitalism and everything we stand for.... but he loves those dollars we trade for his oil."

thats why he gave the poor of the US cheap oil... something their own government wouldn´t do.

thats why freedom in venezuela hasn´t been more abundant in venezual EVER in any of our lifetimes.

he doesn´t hate capitalism... communism just works better for poor countries and socialism more for richer countries... capitalism ONLY works for those who can afford to be on top in some form.

he does stand against the american empire though... though NO-ONE should stand for empire building.

"Now where do we keep this so called ´shockwave weapon´? Is it something that would fit in the back of a truck or do we have it orbiting the earth? Wouldn´t it be classified as a WMD? Maybe we aimed it at Cuba and missed?"

its in alaska... and theres actually two there... HAARP is the big one... the US also has another one south of the mainland; another small one... look up ionospheric heaters... thats is technically what their called,some of their other uses included altering or directing weather, high-energy discharge into the ground (causing a earthquake), shooting aircraft out of the sky (including missiles), they even have the potential for emotional or even thought control... though offically its for atmospheric research... though most people have long since know that to be bogus... or at very least just a front for the real operations, and despite it being classed as a civilian project its under military control (which is an obvious front).

and FYI. it wouldn´t matter who they aimed it at... even if they used it in war it would still be illegal... ALL geopolitical weapons are banned for used OUTSIDE of that countries borders.

"It was done to end the war with Japan. I doubt you were even alive at that time.
If it saved one American life it was worth it."

cheering on terrorism/genocide doesn´t make the act any more acceptable... it was a blatent act of a aggression and an act of terrorism of the worst kind (and yes it was terrororism by any OBJECTIVE defintion; look it up), if you can name a worse incidence of terrorism or a more thoughtless and quicker act of genocide i´d love to hear it.
 
  by: HAVOC666     02/18/2010 02:23 PM     
  @Havoc  
 
No, I´m comparing something to "what´s mine" to something "that´s yours."

An embargo is not an act of war....a blockade, however, is. If you want to buy something that´s mine, I have no moral obligation to sell it to you, especially if I do not like you or agree with what you are going to do with said item.

"actually YES that was a surrender"

No... That is not a surrender. You can´t surrender to your own terms. When you surrender you submit to the will of another.

If you´re robbing a bank, and the cops have you surrounded and you say "Ok, I won´t rob the bank, but you have to let me go home." You´re not surrendering, you´re bartering, dickering, wheeling and dealing, negotiating.

When Jules has a gun pointed at you, you don´t say "What" one more mother@#%@ing time.
 
  by: Pyronius     02/18/2010 02:43 PM     
  @lurker  
 
Don´t hold your lack of interest against me.
 
  by: Illustro Malum   02/18/2010 03:28 PM     
  Chavez is a sociopath  
 
@HAVOC666, chavez´s so called ´free oil´ ended faster than it started, he realized that he can´t afford socialism for his own country, much less for the ´poor´ in America (who would be in the upper middle class in Venezuela).
Also, hugo went to ´hopenhagen´ and called our president a ´devil´ for not signing onto the ´aid for dictators´ global warming scam? And our CO2 comes from his oil? Shouldn´t he be paying the taxation for the global warming scam from his oil profits????
I can only laugh hysterically when the little socialist dictator from South America criticizes America, it´s so comical, something out of looney toons comics... th-th-th-th-that´s all, folks!
 
  by: mahammadabba   02/18/2010 03:37 PM     
  @Pyronius  
 
"An embargo is not an act of war....a blockade, however, is"

while technically true, the US used it as an act of war, which was effectively a blockade.

...though i don´t disagree with why the US did it; in protest of the invasion of china, but the US only cared about that because it was controlled by france at the time.

though when japan attacked they attack the US militarily (at the pearl harbor naval base), when the US attacked japan they attacked major cities.

again your ultimately comparing a vital natural resource (vital esspecially then before solar and nuclear power) to a surgary liquid that is vital to no-one.

"No... That is not a surrender. You can´t surrender to your own terms. When you surrender you submit to the will of another."

look it up... they surrender MONTHS before the bombs dropped, but again a normal surrender would not allow for further aggression OR empire building into that country... an unconditional surender does... there is a clear difference.

the US specifically wanted to set up an empire in japan... thats the ONLY reason japan was nuked... and again that empire stands in japan (and germany and many other US-conquered countries; yes CONQUERED as in imperialism... as in the thing americans claimed to be fighting against yet ended up fighting for it) to this day.

the US to put it bluntly has a blatant pattern of aggression that in many cases is or borders on terrorism (by objective definition) or even acts of genocide (if saddam gassing about 10000 kurds is genocide than clearly nuking 2 cities would be as well and is far more indiscriminate in who it kills).
 
  by: HAVOC666     02/18/2010 04:06 PM     
  @mahammadabba  
 
" chavez´s so called ´free oil´ ended faster than it started, he realized that he can´t afford socialism for his own country, much less for the ´poor´ in America (who would be in the upper middle class in Venezuela)."

it lasted several months and only recently ended because oil prices when down... oil revenue makes up a huge portion of venezuela´s revenue...

did you think they would do it indefinately even at their own detriment?

and actuall yes its working great in venezuala... look up the country prior to chavez, at that point it really was what the US claims it to be now.

"Also, hugo went to ´hopenhagen´ and called our president a ´devil´ for not signing onto the ´aid for dictators´ global warming scam? And our CO2 comes from his oil? Shouldn´t he be paying the taxation for the global warming scam from his oil profits????"

actually, i believe he said it smelled of sulfur for not making the US adhere of the kyoto protocol and basically allowing them to be a HUGE polluter, far more than any other country per capita and only alittle lower than china, yet china while being exempt from such plans as still be technically a developing country has a far more agressive green plan than the US.

it was bush he called the specifically called the devil (and a donkey; jackass), the the media did say thats what chavez said; that he called obama the devil.

and no it comes down to who burn the oil; thats who emits it by using it... they should only have to pay for their emission.

and i hope your not refering to global warming being a scam...and moreso the taxation of carbon emissions.

which as i´ve pointed out their are only a fe option in dealing with the scenerio:

A) cap and trade

B) direct taxation on emissions; to fund green efforts or carbon sequestration efforts AND/OR to make suchs methods uneconomical by comparison to green technology.

C) dramatic MANDOTORY efficency increases (say cars would HAVE TO get atleast 120MPG to be legal to drive, and oil/coal power generation must have an efficiency of 75% [60% has already been achieved in one case in Wales] AND must have a carbon sequestration program).

D) a blanket ban on such technologies phased in by a certian year.

according to experts measures must be taken by 2016, according to them thats the tipping point. ignoring this and doing nothing but continuing down the same road isn´t an option... and moreover eventually will require global intervention against the biggest offenders

"I can only laugh hysterically when the little socialist dictator from South America criticizes America"

LMAO, yeah he´s a dictator like obama and harper (canadian prime minister) are dictators.

get over it, he was elected president and moreover was popular enough to pass a referendum to allow him a 3rd term as president if elected again.

a democratic socialist isn´t a dictator no matter how much media or far right says so.
 
  by: HAVOC666     02/18/2010 04:45 PM     
  hopfully hes wrong but...  
 
if anyones ever heard of HAARP, and it really does exist, then maybe Hugo´s on to something...
 
  by: treeferreefer   02/18/2010 05:13 PM     
  Wow... I hope no one around here even considers...  
 
the things you say Havoc..

"while technically true, the US used it as an act of war, which was effectively a blockade."

No! Using an apple as an apple does not effectively make it an orange. We did not prevent other countries from selling to Japan. We just no longer would sell them ours to assist in their invasion of other peoples land in order to secure their own resource supplies.

The only reason Japan needed the amount of oil that they were purchasing from us was to sustain their offensive military at the time.

We were not "blockading" them. The country would not have suffered one bit if they were not at war and we decided not to sell them oil.

Your concept of surrendering is as about as warped as your concept of "blockades and embargoes."

You and Mr. Chavez seem to like to refer a lot to current day America based on things such as WWII, and controversies over if dropping the bomb was right or wrong. I guess to be fair, in that scenario, you should start speaking German when doing so...because that´s where you would be today without our evil decisions.
 
  by: Pyronius     02/18/2010 10:21 PM     
  Just a point...  
 
Japan does not have the luxury of having oil as a natural resource. Any oil it uses is 100% imported. As far as them not being able to get oil if we stopped selling it to them...this would be true many years ago, but now many countries look to Japan as a partner in innovation and cheap goods like china, so they will still have oil even if the U.S. does not supply any.
 
  by: questworldz     02/18/2010 10:52 PM     
  @HAVOC  
 
On socialism:

You are correct that socialism does not equate to a dictatorship. But certainly you must realize that a significant number of people think that socialism is a form of government and often associate it with Communism and dictators and evil in general. They don´t understand the concept of socialism enough to give a reasoned opinion on the subject.

Democracy is a type of government system as is Communism. Socialism is a type of economic system.

As such, any type of government, democracy, Communist, dictatorships, etc., can apply a socialist economic system. It may or not work, depending on many variables. The ONLY invariant is "human nature", driven more by greed more than any other single factor.

Socialism, Democracy, Communism are all beautiful - on paper. In practice, human nature and greed predict the outcome with flawless accuracy.

As you know, the USA is no less vile and corrupt than some of its worst enemies. It has reached a point in history where the USA has more to be ashamed of than to be proud of and that trend will never reverse in our lifetimes.

Trying to implement socialist solutions in a non-socialist economic system simply will not work in the long run. The resulting debt will break our economic backbone (it has already) and tap OUR bank accounts for the money he needs to do it without our permission for his pet projects.

I don´t know about anyone else, but I´ve been burned too many times to be fooled again.

Woe to the Republic!
 
  by: DeepSand   02/18/2010 11:30 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
C.O.G just announced the birth of his second girl in the forum ..I suppose that makes him a blogger so if I were you I´d wait until the birth appears in a major news outled preferably one with an extream right wing leaning before we can believe it and send him our congratulations I mean his word being at the scene of the birth isn´t really a credible source is it it´s just like a bolg or something .............
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/19/2010 08:02 PM     
  ...  
 
Least his daughter is atheist for now... Someone should get her out of there before the brainwashing begins.
 
  by: Pyronius     02/23/2010 05:07 PM     
 
 
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