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07/29/2010 10:25 AM ID: 84899 Permalink   

Internet to Run Out of Addresses Within a Year

 

Information technology experts are warning that unless action is taken we will run out of internet addresses - four number sequences that identify a device connected to the internet or a web site - within a year.

The current protocol, IPv4 allows for a maximum of 4 billion addresses. It was designed before personal computers and mobile phones became the norm and certainly before anyone anticipated that appliances such as fridges would one day be connected.

A replacement protocol, IPv6, is available but will be expensive to implement. ISPs and consumers will have to do significant software upgrades and in many cases replace hardware. Stop-gap solutions are likely to break many net applications.

 
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  Surely...  
 
as most computers and similar devices connect to the internet these days through a router, would it not be much simpler to:

1. Give all routers (devices with a direct connection to the internet) an IPv6 address.
2. Keep these routers assigning local devices (devices connected locally to said router) an IPv4 address.

Then, applications on home PCs would still work with IPv6, and only the router needs to worry about IPv4<->IPv6 translation.
 
  by: ofWolfandMan   07/29/2010 11:09 AM     
  @ofWolfandMan  
 
Good idea! And I think this is going to be one of the solutions they came up with.
 
  by: nimira     07/29/2010 01:34 PM     
  I feel I need to mention here:  
 
The retarded shortsighted decision to assign 127.0.0.0 as your loopback address/subnet.

That alone literally WASTES over 16 Million IP addresses. Yes kiddies, that´s right, your home PC has 16 Million IP addresses, pinging 127.0.0.1 is exactly the same as pinging 127.254.254.254 - try it :)

Click Start ? Run ? Then Type “cmd” and press enter. In the Black box that pops up type "ping 127.0.0.1".
 
  by: spacechimp     07/29/2010 02:56 PM     
  I wonder  
 
If you unplug your fridge from the internet will it still keep your food cold?
 
  by: jamesmc   07/29/2010 03:24 PM     
  @spacechimp  
 
You´re right... that should buy us another six or eight weeks.

Bottom line, we have to bite the bullet and move to IPv6.
 
  by: ixuzus     07/29/2010 03:48 PM     
  @jamesmc  
 
It might not out of protest of the lack of pron.
 
  by: vhan     07/29/2010 04:35 PM     
  scratch that not  
 
I didn´t mean "not"
 
  by: vhan     07/29/2010 04:36 PM     
  They saw this coming a long time ago  
 
And that´s why everything is Ipv6 complaint nowadays.

This "is to expensive" or "Oh my god what are we going to do?" is pure BS, problem has been solved for a while.
 
  by: jhax   07/29/2010 07:08 PM     
  The real cause of this  
 
It´s Bush´s fault.
 
  by: John E Angel     07/29/2010 07:37 PM     
  Blah  
 
Loopback is used for more than just pinging your own computer. It was actually pretty smart to do that.

This same story comes up every few months on random sites. It still hasn´t happened yet because there is loads of address space. We still have the experimental subnet that we can tap into if needed.
 
  by: Dark_Stang   07/30/2010 12:57 AM     
  2012  
 
2012 is coming and you knew it was going to be the end b1tches.
 
  by: kmazzawi     07/30/2010 02:03 AM     
  @JEA  
 
Finally someone with the cajones to tell it like it is.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     07/30/2010 06:18 PM     
  @Ben_Reilly @JEA  
 
Your idiots. Even windows 98 supported the IPV6 protocol. I know cause when it first came out it would break certain lan protocols with several games. Bush had nothing to do with this issue. IPV4 is older then I am, and IPV6 was around during the Clinton Era.
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     07/30/2010 06:43 PM     
  Im confused ...  
 
Apparently there are 2 billion of us online. Take into account the massive portion of that dont have their own computers, then take into account any actual house or business really only needs one IP address and what are we left with?

Even if fridges, toasters and kettles were plugged in they would be like anything else. I have four PC´s, a server, a 360, a PS3, a Wii, a tablet and ´stuff´ all running off of one connection ... so what is this scaremongering about? Afraid everyone in Asia is going to get their own connection overnight? On top of this it would mean everyone would need to be online at the same time. The only way my house can use 3 IP´s at a time would be to connect via the mobiles too.

From the source:
"The explosion in the number of people, devices and web services on the internet means there are only about 232 million left"

So what they mean is there are only 232 million not allocated to any ISP.

There are probably a ton of ISP´s out there thinking "why did we pay to get 25 million when we only need 5?"

Also if my ISP´s head end server goes to IPv6 they can still run the rest of the network as IPv4 until everything is worked out.
 
  by: AccessG     07/30/2010 07:37 PM     
  @TU  
 
You use ´your´ for ´you´re´ a lot.

"Your idiots" should be "You´re idiots" or "You are idiots." Just saying.
 
  by: Lurker     07/30/2010 07:50 PM     
  @Lurker  
 
Its my spell checker. I don´t have admin rights to hotelling PCs. So I´m using I.E. 6 and some crappy integrated spell checker that autocorrects any text box I type into (need admin rights to disable). Its annoying, like the predictive texting features on cellular phones. I have it disabled at my desk (and use a different browser), but most of the time I´m using a guest PC somewhere else (In fact I haven´t been at my desk for the past two weeks).
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     07/30/2010 08:17 PM     
  Don´t blame your spell checker!  
 
It´s Bush´s fault!
 
  by: John E Angel     07/30/2010 08:35 PM     
  TU  
 
@Ben_Reilly @JEA, are jerking your leg Boy.

as Foghorn Leghorn would say, "That´s a joke... I say, that´s a joke, son."

http://www.youtube.com/...
 
  by: ichi     07/30/2010 08:42 PM     
  @JEA  
 
Your actually right,

I did some research and found out he actually does own shares in a fund that does own part of the company that made the spell checker.

I also found out he´s worth less then 20 million total. Always thought he would be more of a rich bastard. Since you know, he raped most of the world for the financial gain of others.

Anyways it was in his 2007 public financial statement when he was still in office.
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     07/30/2010 11:53 PM     
  yup  
 
this is merely scaremongering and consumerist jackassery. Pay it no heed.
 
  by: Burnfactor77   08/01/2010 10:14 AM     
  @Dark_Stang  
 
I know you can use the loopback for more than pinging yourself, hell if you look in your hosts file you´ll probably see the following line: "127.0.0.1 localhost"

But; C´mon, you don´t need 16 million different addresses to get back to yourself though. But even so… As Ixuzus already pointed out, those IPs will only go so far.

@In general
On a more relevant note. There are ways to reduce the number of IPs people use. NATting for example. Even Microsoft’s Internet Connection Sharing allows one machine to act as a (software) router provided you have two NICs. This mimics (however basically these days) your routers function with one NIC on the Public network whilst ICS hands out 192.168.0.0 addresses to anything on the Private side. However, this isn´t anything your Router doesn´t already do and firewalls on the host machine “can” end up cocking things up. My advice, stick with a router.

I started typing something about subnetting but then thought better of it because it’ll take too long to explain and only the truly geeky would find it interesting (or would otherwise know what I’m on about). Sufficed to say; you can limit the number of workstations by borrowing from the client octet of an IP and gain yourself more addressable networks. This does reduce the number of clients you can have on any given subnet, but you don’t need a 24bit subnet with 254 addressable IPs for a site containing 10 machines.
 
  by: spacechimp     08/06/2010 03:11 PM     
  @spacechimp  
 
There are definitely ways to stretch what we have but I´d hate to see them used as permanent solutions until this problem resurfaces. I think it´s probably time to bite the bullet and start transitioning it IPv6.
 
  by: ixuzus     08/07/2010 02:44 AM     
  @ixuzus  
 
Yeah, sorry I just noticed I´d not actually acknowledged this fact.

IP6 is the future, it has to be :)
 
  by: spacechimp     08/10/2010 10:27 AM     
 
 
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