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08/18/2010 03:03 PM ID: 85117 Permalink   

8 Days Left to Attack Iran

 

Iran is on the verge of bringing its first nuclear power facility online. Currently Iran´s Bushehr reactor is planned to fire up on August 21st.

Iran, under much pressure over its nuclear programs, has already began citing UN laws prohibiting attacks against their facilities. Iran, sensing both Israel and the US may yet intervene, is restating the plant is not for weapons.

John Bolton, former US envoy to the UN, states that Israel has 8 days left (now 3) left to launch a strike against the new reactor before the plant comes online. An attack after the power up, would cause radiation to irradiate local civilians.

 
  Source: www.dailystar.com.lb  
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  24 Comments
  
  And irradiating locals  
 
is a bad thing? It would certainly prevent further use of the site.
 
  by: walter3ca   08/18/2010 04:27 PM     
  @walter3ca  
 
Does the ca stand for California?
 
  by: billycan   08/18/2010 04:44 PM     
  @walter3ca  
 
Yup, it´s very, very, very bad. US, Israel or any other freaking nation has no right to decide things over other nations internal affairs. If they are so afraid of Iran with nukes, shouldn´t they be working for removal of Iran´s need for those? If I get a gun for my protection, no cops are beating me up just because I could use it for unprovokated violence.
 
  by: Beastus   08/18/2010 05:06 PM     
  Great post Pyro, thank you.....  
 
I just have to wonder if Israel will wait and irradiate Iran just to maximize damage and the fear factor of ever building another nuclear power plant. I wouldn´t put it past them. Like the world needs another Chernobyl. I fully expect an attack to come and it wouldn´t be the first time this has happened. The defenses around this plant have to be looking like a porcupine by now.

@Pyro
Four more post and you become a star. Great work, nice to have you on board. You write very well, are you in the business...teacher, reporter, newsman, author?
 
  by: valkyrie123     08/18/2010 05:43 PM     
  @Beastus  
 
While I understand your point of the police/gun comment, the police in most states (in the USA) will not allow a person to own a weapon if they have a history of violence.
 
  by: cbuilding   08/18/2010 06:58 PM     
  Osirak  
 
Since Israel has already attacked the Iraqi facility in Osirak back in 1981, I see no reason why they would not knock out the Iranian facility.
 
  by: cbuilding   08/18/2010 07:02 PM     
  Bolton jokes about nuking Chicago...  
 
entire CPAC audience erupts in laughter:

http://thinkprogress.org/...

http://motherjones.com/...
 
  by: Kaleid   08/18/2010 07:39 PM     
  If they wish to destroy it all  
 
then that would mean about 10.000 would die according to a study:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...
 
  by: Kaleid   08/18/2010 07:59 PM     
  @Valk  
 
I appreciate the sentiment... Honestly though, I´m a Network Admin by profession, and a video gamer by hobby, that got C´s at best in English in school, lol.

If anything lends itself to the way I write, it´s probably the distaste I have for reading poorly written work, and the new age of abbreviated everything.
 
  by: Pyronius     08/18/2010 08:03 PM     
  Out of Curiosity....  
 
Ok, now I´m not try to troll here, this is an honest question.

I´ve looked up and noticed that Iran´s main war efforts were between Iraq and themselves.

I´ve done some light reading and I´m actually hard pressed to see where Iran has been a serious outright threat to a neighbor.

I understand that the original Persian Gulf war started because of a pissing match between Iran and Iraq. Saddam blamed Iran for an assasination, and then they invaded.

From what I gather, Iran, while definetely not kind of society that I would fit into, seems to be "OK" in terms of how it related to the rest of the middle east.

Would them having nuclear reactor be as big of a problem as it seems?

If Israel attacks, is it actually justified?

Is Iran a threat to the US in any real shape or form?

Thoughts?
 
  by: gbestwick   08/18/2010 09:43 PM     
  Irans crime  
 
is that they are sitting on a large pile of petroleum.

This is why they were the target of a coup back in 1953 and this is why there´s all this war drumming at the moment.

Living in Europe, meaning much closer to Iran than USA I don´t fear Iran in the slightest.
 
  by: Kaleid   08/18/2010 09:48 PM     
  @gbestwick  
 
To answer your question, the reason that Israel and the United States has a big problem with a nuclear armed Iran is that Iran has repeatedly threatened to use violence against Israel saying it should be "wiped off the map" and is a known harborer of terrorists. I take everything that their dictator has said to heart, and I dont think that their nuclear program is going to be used for energy purposes as they say it will.

@Kaleid

I wonder if you were not in Sweden, but lived in Israel, would you fear them then???
 
  by: soulserenity   08/18/2010 11:00 PM     
  soulserenity  
 
No. And here´s why.
1. They have a fatwa against nuclear weapons
2. The country is closely monitored by IAEA
3. If they used them it would possibly mean a total destruction of Iran, they are not that irrational
4. The history of Iran is not that violent when it comes to war, they have mostly have needed to defend themselves
5. The military budget of Iran is the same level as Sweden, just about.
We have 9 million citizens and they have like 70 million. They do not have a very good army to threaten Israel who would be defended by USA no matter who is behind the wheel
6. I believe Iran has the right to nuclear energy
7. What the president of Iran has said has been put into question
8. It doesn´t matter what he says because he doesn´t command the military
9. The reports from IAEA have been good enough for me
10. The enrichment is at a low grade, and not weapons grade
11. No nuclear weapons program has ever been proven and the NIE reports support this, with 16 different intelligence agencies all agreeing

this sums it up rather good as well:
http://www.youtube.com/...

The war will come those who want regime change and American boots on the ground. What I am afraid of is Russia and/or China getting involved as they have heavily invested inside Iran. Herein lies the danger.
 
  by: Kaleid   08/18/2010 11:14 PM     
  @Kaleid  
 
Russia have been building nuclear power plants for Iran and have supplied the materials for years.

@ soul
From what I gather Iran have intentions on attacking Iraq, so how can they manage both?
 
  by: captainJane     08/18/2010 11:31 PM     
  @gbestwick  
 
"I´ve done some light reading and I´m actually hard pressed to see where Iran has been a serious outright threat to a neighbor."

This is because Iran has historically used proxy elements to do their work for them. Hezbollah and Hamas are their key proxy soldiers. The government can "officially" distance themselves from controversial attacks, bombings, etc. because these groups are not in Iran or a branch of the Iranian government... but they do receive instructions and tens of millions each year in funding from Iran.
 
  by: CArnold     08/18/2010 11:38 PM     
  @Kaleid  
 
That list makes for great talking-points, but do little to usurp the facts of the matter.

I encourage you to investigate each item on your list.

(BTW... what happened to 12-15 on the list?)
 
  by: CArnold     08/18/2010 11:40 PM     
  carnold  
 
there are no 12-15. I´m not copying someone elses list.. I could come up with more reasons not to be afraid of a paper tiger with an almost non-existant military.
 
  by: Kaleid   08/18/2010 11:58 PM     
  This describes the fearful Americans  
 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...

Scared into supporting another nonsense war.
 
  by: Kaleid   08/19/2010 12:13 AM     
  @Kaleid  
 
Generally "Paper Tigers" dont talk about wiping another nation off the map, nor do they have nuclear arsenals at their disposal.
 
  by: soulserenity   08/19/2010 05:31 PM     
  @Kaleid  
 
Another reason why I dont think that Iran should have access to nuclear power is because it is a safe haven for various terrorist groups. A very real possiblity is a group or groups getting their hands on this material and using it on civilians, and I think the dictator running Iran would happily turn it over.
 
  by: soulserenity   08/19/2010 05:36 PM     
  soulserenity  
 
Again, what he said has been put into question, as he was comparing zionism to communist ideologue.. which vanished from the pages of time without any sort of wiping out with weapons or anything.

Second, it doesn´t really matter what the powerless, at least when it comes to the military president says because he cannot do anything about it, he doesn´t hold the supreme power. All I´ve read says that the real leader are more level headed than the president who is likely saying some things in order to gain support in his homeland. And our "free" media is of course trumpeting for another war like the little lapdogs they are, always in support for whatever the next foolish step the hawks in DC have in mind.

Safe haven? To whom? Why don´t you ever hear stories such as this?
http://www.reuters.com/...

Iraq redux. Fool me once..
 
  by: Kaleid   08/19/2010 05:56 PM     
  The attack  
 
the offense and not defense will come from our side if it comes from somewhere. Iran´s military budget is not enough to deal with either Israel and especially not USA. They have nothing to gain from a war.
 
  by: Kaleid   08/19/2010 05:57 PM     
  @Kaelid  
 
Did you even read the article you´re referring to?
 
  by: Pyronius     08/20/2010 02:04 PM     
  yes.  
 
It´s the same old. The chapter were the war drums are still beating and the fear is sold to the ridiculously easily lied to public.

Iran would have had nuclear energy decades ago if the puppet Shah would have been in place longer because president Ford wanted to give Iran the technology to make it happen.
 
  by: Kaleid   08/20/2010 02:19 PM     
 
 
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