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08/27/2010 11:22 PM ID: 85266 Permalink   

Anti-Tea Party Groups Threaten Violence And Death

 

GOP Majority Leader Dick Armey and his organization FreedomWorks, have received a number of threatening phone calls in the lead up to an upcoming event scheduled at the Lincoln Memorial.

The phone calls and emails have implied violence and the use of weapons will be used against Tea Party members and supporters.

The evidence is growing that groups opposing the Tea Party movement are becoming more militant and violent. On Wednesday, gun shots were fired at a GOP office. The Black Panther party has also stated they plan to have a confrontation at the event.

 
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  I don´t see how  
 
this is much different than those who are opposing the plans for a mosque to be built ´near´ ground zero. Damned if you do, damned if you don´t.
 
  by: John E Angel     08/27/2010 11:34 PM     
  @John E Angel  
 
Both Events are being funded by a Saudi Prince who owns News Corp apparently. I suppose there are some minor differences though. The mosque thing the media is trying to push as racism, while these threats are real racism, coming from real racist groups such as the black panthers. We all know which perceived racism the media will cover though.

(Hint: Its the one they can pin on nameless white people, instead of Malik Zulu Shabazz a public leader of a racist minority organization)
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     08/27/2010 11:46 PM     
  @Tetsuru  
 
You have a source on the Saudi Prince thing? Would love find out more about that.

I think the source for the article is a bit overdrawn. Dick Armey and the GOP receive DOZENS of death threats daily. DOZENS. I don´t doubt that members of the Democratic party receive the same thing especially with all of Palin´s "reload" jargon. The final paragraphs of the article also seem to make an especially large jump from black panthers being associated with liberals because liberals have a "political tsunami" headed their way.

The whole freakin´ country is off its god damned rocker at the moment and all the Mosque and Glenn Beck crap is really helping things to deteriorate. Anyone here that believes Glenn Beck is NOT intentionally trying to generate a shit storm, raise your hand.

[ edited by zirschky ]
 
  by: zirschky     08/28/2010 12:23 AM     
  @zirschky  
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

He owns a very large portion of news corp, and he donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Mosque. News Corp owns Fox News, who Employs Glen Beck, who is the headline speaker at this event.
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     08/28/2010 12:29 AM     
  lol  
 
It seems people are getting a little scared of the Tea Party! :)
 
  by: rippler2k3   08/28/2010 12:40 AM     
  @Tetsuru  
 
Very very very interesting. Never knew that. Thanks for the info! I wonder (if there is one) what the agenda is here?
 
  by: zirschky     08/28/2010 12:52 AM     
  A Very Old Trick  
 
Used by a lot of scoundrels. Claim to have anonymous threats to show how unruly the opposition is.

I think we know enough about FreeedomWorks to know that the Tea Party "movement" is just a front for people who have a twisted idea of what a free country is.
 
  by: ezreader   08/28/2010 02:11 AM     
  @ zirchky  
 
"The whole freakin´ country is off its god damned rocker at the moment"

This is the most succinct, accurate summary I´ve heard yet. Well done. +1.

This story itself reads like propoganda. I´m not saying it´s false; I´m just saying it´s likely not any more or less than usual or than any other group receives.

And this isn´t a tea party event - this is a fox news event well orchestrated for ratings. On some level I´m impresssed, but not more than I am disgusted. "I have a dream" was one of the most influential/important/wonderful speeches in US history and fox news is taking a crap on the whole thing.
 
  by: kolman36     08/28/2010 02:42 AM     
  politics per norm  
 
It´s an election year, surprising I guess that a very old political tactic still works, as ezreader mentioned.

I just don´t understand how people can follow the likes of Armey and Newt... seriously I have no idea why people from a group of the ´anti-washington establishment´ would choose to follow the people who were in charge of Washington for a great deal of time and did nothing to change the political culture.

Regarding confrontations, whenever you make extreme comments and actions, certain groups of people won´t like it. People didn´t like the healthcare bill, and many people called in threats of violence against democrats as well. http://www.cnn.com/...

So... I guess my point there is are they really surprised? Did they just assume that there point of view would just be widely accepted by everyone without confrontation? I doubt that, more likely they were hoping for it, so they can use it as a political card in their pockets when it´s their turn at the polls.

[ edited by brianwcu ]
 
  by: brianwcu     08/28/2010 02:48 AM     
  Let´s wax philosophical  
 
Why is anybody upset about a white figurehead usurping the historical grounds of a civil rights leader? Is it a race issue? Hopefully not. Is it about controverting historical bias towards those denied rights within the American electoral system? Probably? But who cares?

The fact of the matter is this: Placing a white male--who, in most every way, disembodies everything MLK stood for--a "few steps down" from where MLK stood, on the exact same day MLK spoke, to "reclaim the civil rights movement" is disgusting.

Now, I´ll say that, before I´ve heard what Glenn Beck has to say, I´m already offended. Maybe Glenn Beck will change the world tomorrow. Who knows? Certainly, not I. But it seems to me to be in poor taste. All the same, supposing Glenn Beck doesn´t change the world, what has this whole rally served to do? Has it aroused the fire of equality and the desire to aide one´s fellow? Has it done anything good for our country, thus far? Have we united under Beck´s message?

Is Beck trying to create a faction or a unified country?

You decide.

[ edited by zirschky ]
 
  by: zirschky     08/28/2010 04:04 AM     
  @  
 
@kolman
"...this is a fox news event well orchestrated for ratings."

Explain how this is a "Fox News" event.
Fox News declined to cover this event. However, C-SPAN wants to cover it in its entirety.


@zirschky
"Placing a white male--who, in most every way, disembodies everything MLK stood for--a "few steps down" from where MLK stood, on the exact same day MLK spoke, to "reclaim the civil rights movement" is disgusting."

I might agree with that if he was a member of the KKK, or some other racial group. Why is having a white man there disgusting? You fail to explain this. In absence of any explanation, your comment sounds kinda racist. That´s even more un-MLK-like.
 
  by: CArnold     08/28/2010 05:15 AM     
  @ CArnold  
 
Despite Beck´s... unfortunate... popularity, I would imagine that he (like most other tv commentators) has to get approval from higher-ups for a stunt like this. fox news´ approval is, at the very least, an implicit endorsement of what he´s doing. Whether it´s an approval based on philosophical beliefs or simply a grab for more viewers, it´s approval nonetheless. If they disapproved, they would shut it down in an instant.

Their "we´re not covering it" shtick is pure PR BS and will protect them if something goes terribly wrong and/or there´s a significant amount of backlash. For fox news, this is a win/win situation and they know it.
 
  by: kolman36     08/28/2010 06:27 AM     
  @ CArnold  
 
"Why is having a white man there disgusting?"

It´s not having a white man there that makes it disgusting. It´s having this particular white man there, on the day of MLK´s speech, pledging to "take back the civil rights movement." This should be clear to just about everyone, regardless of their beliefs.
 
  by: kolman36     08/28/2010 06:31 AM     
  @kolman  
 
“I would imagine that he (like most other tv commentators) has to get approval from higher-ups for a stunt like this. fox news´ approval is, at the very least, an implicit endorsement of what he´s doing.”

That’s assuming quite a bit. Like anyone else, I’m sure he has a life outside of work and he doesn’t require their blessing on every aspect of his life outside of work.

I’ve worked for many Fortune 500 companies. Prior to my first day of work, I’ve had to sign contracts with each and every one. Each one had a clause of termination that stipulated you must not engage in any activity that would negatively reflect upon the company. As long as I didn’t do anything that would bring them negative press or controversy, my personal life was mine. Beck actually tried to get Fox to cover this event, but they decline. Surely, they’ll run a story on it (as ABC, CBS, CNN, et al will do), but you make it sound as if this event translates to ratings gold. It’s not like he’s unveiling the first engine to use water as fuel, or something that would garner record-setting ratings.


“It´s having this particular white man there, on the day of MLK´s speech, pledging to "take back the civil rights movement." This should be clear to just about everyone, regardless of their beliefs.”

This sounds similar to the mosque controversy we’ve been discussing.
Instead of a mosque, your argument about the location is that his white-skinned presence would be offensive and distasteful. You fail to explain why, though.
I would like to hear your view as to why the presence of this particular man would be in bad taste. Does he belong to an anti-MLK group? Does he belong to an Aryan or white supremacist group? If so, I need to know this; I’m not white and I don’t care for racists. If you can sufficiently show this to me, I’ll gladly endorse your message.

[ edited by CArnold ]
 
  by: CArnold     08/28/2010 07:56 AM     
  @ ezreader  
 
Quote:I think we know enough about FreeedomWorks to know that the Tea Party "movement" is just a front for people who have a twisted idea of what a free country is.

Wow I didn´t know that. enlighten me. I do know after reading your comment you most certainly have a twisted view .
 
  by: hellblazer     08/28/2010 09:07 AM     
  @Tetsuru  
 
seriously...you are talking of Al-Waleed Bin Talal...??..hmmm...he owns a major chunk of Citibank as well...but as far as your

" He owns a very large portion of news corp, and he donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Mosque. News Corp owns Fox News, who Employs Glen Beck, who is the headline speaker at this event. "

its just like taking implications in the direction you want them to...you know...just cause he is the owner of Fox news...does not mean he even choses what brand of toilet paper goes in the toilet...implications don´t really mean a thing..
 
  by: alam.mujtehadi   08/28/2010 10:56 AM     
  This whole TP movement  
 
... has been bankrolled by old hands in the mainstream conservative movement. People have already mentioned FreedomWorks; there´s also Koch Industries, which has been pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into everything from the astroturfed TP movement to global warming denial for years. Fun fact -- one of the Kochs was a co-founder of the John Birch Society.

The only people stupid enough to believe that the Tea Party is a real grassroots movement, and not something engineered by the right-wing wealthy elite, are its members.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     08/28/2010 12:37 PM     
  @ CArnold  
 
"That’s assuming quite a bit. Like anyone else, I’m sure he has a life outside of work and he doesn’t require their blessing on every aspect of his life outside of work. "

I don´t think it´s assuming much at all. We´ve heard from numerous commentators that are much more popular and powerful than him (Stewart, O´Reilly) that someone with their networks has to sign off on anything that could be controversial. (You can look it up if you want, but pre-emptively, no I won´t look it up for you.) So, in all likelihood, the same policy exists for Beck.

" your argument about the location is that his white-skinned presence would be offensive and distasteful. You fail to explain why, though. "

Because that´s not my argument at all. My argument is that THIS man is specifically choosing the day of anniversary of one of the most significant moments in equal rights history to announce that white people in the majority need to take back a movement that was never theirs in the first place from the minority black people.

The only possible way this could have to do with the mosque is if Muslims were saying that on 9/11/10 they were going to take back that day and site for the Muslim people. Let´s not get off track here.
 
  by: kolman36     08/28/2010 05:28 PM     
  @ CArnold  
 
It´s a Fox News event because Glenn Beck is a Fox News star, and it has been relentlessly promoted on Fox News.

Trust me, they will cover it.
 
  by: ezreader   08/28/2010 06:44 PM     
  @hellblazer  
 
OK, I´ll enlighten you.

Do some reading about FreedomWorks, and the wonderful way they are getting involved with emerging democracies elections.

It was FreedomWorks who was involved in Florida trying, successfully, to disrupt the recount.

Read up on the subject, there´s lots of info out there.
 
  by: ezreader   08/28/2010 06:52 PM     
  @story  
 
So I havn´t read all the comments yet, but I read the source and apart from the new Black Panther party I didn´t see any other "groups" named, just that they keep recieving threatening phone calls.

I´d like to know why they say these are coming from specific ´groups´ and not just from the general public.
 
  by: jamesmc   08/28/2010 07:36 PM     
  @ezreader  
 
why thank you. You have successfully said nothing.
 
  by: hellblazer     08/28/2010 09:20 PM     
  @BR  
 
Quote:The only people stupid enough to believe that the Tea Party is a real grassroots movement, and not something engineered by the right-wing wealthy elite, are its members.

With that opinion being stated why couldn´t it be "anyone that is stupid enough NOT to believe the Tea Party is a real grassroots movement, simply are not smart enough to see it is a engineered thought embedded by the left-wing wealthy elite passed along by their bought and payed for media?" Holds just as much merit doesn´t it?

I would think those who believe in conservatism would actually fund the cause wouldn´t you? Specially from the OLD HANDS. That would indicate they are the grass roots conservative. The new breed seems to have lost their way. Same as the modern day liberals ( or whatever they call themselves now).
Liberals paint a picture of themselves that reflect they truly believe (like you) they are smarter then the rest and others (as you stated)because they do not agree with your point of view. They are labeled stupid. They are to stupid the know anything. They are all sheep, being led by those big bad conservative thinking people. And no matter what, conservatives are always wrong no matter what they do. People were threaten and yet you do not mention that because it is coming from the left.. OH!!! what was I thinking?? I remember now, it was you that stated it was acceptable to threaten Bush´s life because he started the war but not Obama. I´m sure you remember, You said liberal never threatened Bush and I sent you links to hundreds of pictures of the Liberals carrying signs "Death to bush and so on" during that little chat we had. In case you don´t remember I do have a copy.

[ edited by hellblazer ]
 
  by: hellblazer     08/28/2010 09:52 PM     
  @kolman  
 
“You can look it up if you want, but pre-emptively, no I won´t look it up for you.”
I’m not going to bother. My argument or point isn’t the one in question for being factually accurate.
I offer links to support my stances/facts/allegations, 99% of the time, for several reasons. It’s out of consideration to the reader, it kills non-sense arguments that may arise from contrary individuals, and it preserves my outstanding credibility. It usually takes me less than a minute to fact-check myself and provide a corroborative link. Not a lot of effort, really.

“My argument is that THIS man is specifically choosing the day of anniversary of one of the most significant moments in equal rights history to announce that white people in the majority need to take back a movement that was never theirs in the first place from the minority black people.”
How so? Again, you’re turning this into a racial issue. I hardly think he’s trying to exclusively reach out to “white people in the majority”. Why do you feel that the civil rights movement belongs solely to black people? What about women’s rights? Civil rights reforms were necessary for them to considered and acknowledged as equals to white males. Same thing for immigrants. I wasn’t born in the USA and I have a year-round tan. What about the other minorities, like myself? Do you not think that we were part of the movement that pushed for equal rights for all, regardless of color or creed?
I think you’re going a little too far by saying a white people should not be in that public tax-payer-owned part of DC on specific dates. That, too, is racism.
If his presence there goes beyond race, then please elaborate. Right now, all I’m hearing you say is he’s a white man that you don’t particularly like, and therefore shouldn’t be there.
 
  by: CArnold     08/28/2010 10:17 PM     
  Al Sharpton and MLK´s niece  
 
were speakers at the event.

So much for those white-robed racist crackers burning crosses, huh?

"On the 47th anniversary of her uncle´s historic "I Have a Dream" speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, politician and activist Alveda King has joined conservative commentator Glenn Beck at the same spot to bring people together in paying tribute to America´s soldiers and "restoring honor" to America.

Glenn Beck´s rally at the Lincoln Memorial causes controversy. King, the niece of civil rights activist Martin Luther King, Jr. and daughter of his brother activist A. D. King, is currently the director of African-American outreach at the pro-life group Priests for Life and has recently stepped into the spotlight after several appearances on Beck´s radio program."
http://abcnews.go.com/...
 
  by: CArnold     08/28/2010 10:22 PM     
  @ CArnold  
 
"How so? Again, youre turning this into a racial issue."

What? This started as a racial issue. I get that the supporters are trying to move it away from race, but the fact is that you can?t separate them. In a world of blatant racism and bigotry, MLK chose that day and that spot to make a speech in support of equal rights for whites and blacks. Beck, an affluent white man who needlessly compares our president to communists and Hitler, and stands for the morals and values of a party made up of 95% wite and conservative americans ("conservatives" were the very same people that were so outraged by the very idea of racial equality...and women?s equality...and gay equality...), has chosen that day and that place because of its significance. This automatically makes the issue racial whether we want it to or not.

"I hardly think hes trying to exclusively reach out to white people in the majority."

He?s not reaching out to them. He knows that this is, for the most part, his audience. Would you agree that most people watching his show are conservatives who feel distrustful and paranoid of their government? Did he, or they, have this same paranoia and anger when Clinton was president? Because, an objective look at the laws and policies Obama has passed, shows that he?s no further to the left than Clinton was.

"Why do you feel that the civil rights movement belongs solely to black people?"

I don?t.

"What about womens rights?"

Yup. They fought for equality too.

"Civil rights reforms were necessary for them to considered and acknowledged as equals to white males. Same thing for immigrants."

And gays. Don?t forget the gays.

"I wasnt born in the USA and I have a year-round tan."

Sweet. How did you manage that? I have to work for my tan.

"What about the other minorities, like myself? Do you not think that we were part of the movement that pushed for equal rights for all, regardless of color or creed?"

Were? Hopefully you still are. You being a minority has nothing to do with anything. I?m a minority too, and I?m still fighting for equal rights. To be honest, I?m having trouble formulating a response here because I?m not sure what your point is with this.

"I think youre going a little too far by saying a white people should not be in that public tax-payer-owned part of DC on specific dates. That, too, is racism."

It is. Good thing that?s not what I?m saying at all. Have you seen "Thank you for smoking?" Good ice-cream-play.

"If his presence there goes beyond race, then please elaborate. Right now, all Im hearing you say is hes a white man that you dont particularly like, and therefore shouldnt be there."

Then let me try to be more precise. This man should not have been allowed to conduct this speech on this day at that site because he is deliberately using this significant moment in racial equality history to his advantage and I believe that it is disrespectful to the memory of MLK and this speech.

[ edited by kolman36 ]
 
  by: kolman36     08/28/2010 11:13 PM     
  @ CArnold  
 


As for Alvedia King and Al Sharpton

King is a well known social conservative and a republican. Sharing some family genes with the man does not make you an expert. She believes that MLK was a republican and would not be in favor of women´s abortion rights or gay marriage or anything else the republican party is against. She has no respect for King or his wife, calling her, "pro-abortion." She is simply another politician toeing the party line. The only difference is that she´s invoking his name to help her establish legitimacy.

In regards to Sharpton, he was an extremely influential figure in human rights and I have the utmost respect for what he´s gone through and what he´s accomplished in his life. Nobody will ever say his name without thinking of all the great work he did for civil rights. That said, he´s become a caricature of himself over the last 10 years. He seems to be making appearances and protests to keep his name in the news. Had Al Sharpton spoken out against this, would you have cared? Would it have influenced your opinion? Likely not. (This doesn´t have anything to do with anything, but Lil Wayne´s 7-minute rant on Tha Carter III is another voice in this growing sentiment.)

Neither of their appearances legitimizes what has gone on here.

[ edited by kolman36 ]
 
  by: kolman36     08/28/2010 11:33 PM     
  Born Again?????  
 
TeaBaggers, Freedom works, GOP

Sounds like the rebirth of the NAZI empire.
 
  by: flash1259   08/29/2010 03:40 AM     
  @HB  
 
"With that opinion being stated why couldn´t it be "anyone that is stupid enough NOT to believe the Tea Party is a real grassroots movement, simply are not smart enough to see it is a engineered thought embedded by the left-wing wealthy elite passed along by their bought and payed for media?" Holds just as much merit doesn´t it?"

That´s just conspiracy theory B.S. ... there´s actual evidence for what I was talking about. The TP movement is a sham started and funded by the same folks who brought us George W. Bush, and I can prove it. You can´t prove anything you just said.

"I would think those who believe in conservatism would actually fund the cause wouldn´t you?"

Of course -- your point being ... ? *My* point was that the people funding this movement aren´t average Americans, which is implied every time the Tea Party is called a "grassroots" organization. The people funding this thing are elite, wealthy conservatives.

"Liberals paint a picture of themselves that reflect they truly believe (like you) they are smarter then the rest and others (as you stated)because they do not agree with your point of view."

Yeah, that´s an occupational hazard of seeing hundreds of holes in the logic of people with whom you disagree. Do you expect me to apologize for that?

"They are labeled stupid."

They say things like "keep your government hands off my Medicare" ... they *are* stupid.

"They are to stupid the know anything."

They´re even too stupid to know the difference between "too," "to" and "the"! Okay, now I´m just being a smartass.

"They are all sheep, being led by those big bad conservative thinking people. And no matter what, conservatives are always wrong no matter what they do."

Never said that, did I? If you look in the forums you´ll see that I´m engaged to a conservative Republican woman -- who happens to be very adamant about her beliefs. You think I would drop to one knee before her, ask her to marry me and put a ring on her finger if I thought she was "always wrong no matter what she did?"

"People were threaten and yet you do not mention that because it is coming from the left.. OH!!! what was I thinking?? I remember now, it was you that stated it was acceptable to threaten Bush´s life because he started the war but not Obama."

I do remember this debate and I believe I said that it´s more understandable for Bush to have received death threats than it is for Obama because of the wars. If you do have evidence to the contrary, by all means share it, and if I said it was acceptable to threaten Bush I´ll apologize for saying such a horrible thing. But I doubt I actually said that.

Besides, the Tea Party was threatening people long before anybody threatened them back. Maybe the movement should purge itself of the crazies willing to make death threats against the fairly-elected Obama administration and the fairly-elected Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress before whining that people are threatening them in return.

[ edited by Ben_Reilly ]
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     08/30/2010 05:18 AM     
  Luv the Mindtricks  
 
Nice, talk about some alleged violence, and then end up with the black panthers showing up. Guess who in mind I am associating with violence now?
 
  by: kmazzawi     08/30/2010 03:11 PM     
  @hellblazer  
 
I can´t make you read, nor can make you understand what you don´t want to understand.

Some have no problem with FreedomWorks tactics, starting and funding what masquerades as grass roots movements.

Remember the group of "citizens" who had enough of the recount and protested? freedomWorks. There is some really good articles on that.

FreedomWorks is teaching emerging democracies tactics like the one I hate the most, the one that you guys like the best, ignoring facts to use emotion to sway an election, emotion based on lies.

You won´t see it because you like the tactics, win at any cost, the heck with actual morals.

Read up on FreedonWorks. Of course what they do is ok with those on the right, because they only pretend that moral and intellectual honesty is important.
 
  by: ezreader   08/30/2010 04:58 PM     
  @hellblazer  
 
Here´s an example of the lies I referred to above, and thanks to FreedomWorks for providing us the Tea Party to spread them:

Turning end of life counseling into Sara Palin´s "Death Panels."

End of life counseling is not a death panel, if you are ever in that position, you will get a first hand education.

The whole health care issue is an example of these lies. The whole right wing is besides themselves over the issue, but when it comes down to EXACTLY what they oppose, they say things like death panels and government takeover, but the government isn´t taking over anything that they can point to.

The opposition can´t clearly define what they don´t like about health care reform because the lies and distractions have worked so well.
 
  by: ezreader   08/30/2010 05:36 PM     
  @Ben_Reilly  
 
Your an idiot, and have no idea what your talking about. I was at the foundation of the Tea Party, and it started as an anti-bush pro Ron Paul coalition of meetup groups. Please take your uniformed idiotic banter somewhere else where people don´t check facts. Because that place is not here.
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     08/30/2010 08:21 PM     
  They Must Have Listened To The "Tea Baggers"  
 
Tea Bagger Sharon Angle of Nevada´s threat to use "Second Amendment remedies".

Tea Bagger Sarah Palin targeting Democrats in the House of Representatives with gun sight cross hairs.

Looks like mister Armey has sown the wind and is now reaping the whirlwind.

Man these babys crie when they perceive themselves victims to their own tactics. Although I would not put it above Dick Armey to manufacture these threats. It would be very much in character for him.
 
  by: ichi     08/30/2010 09:12 PM     
  Tetsuru  
 
Where you the one standing next to the Koch brothers while they wrote the checks?

[ edited by ichi ]
 
  by: ichi     08/30/2010 09:14 PM     
 
 
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