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President Obama Depicted as Ape in E-Mail Circulated by Republican and Tea Party Activist

 

Marilyn Davenport, a Southern California Republican party central committee member and Tea Party activist, is under fire for allegedly circulating an e-mail picture that depicts President Obama as a member of a family of apes.

The photo is captioned "Now you know why no birth certificate." Davenport told the OC Weekly it was "just an Internet joke" and sent another e-mail calling whoever leaked the first e-mail to the media a "coward."

Schott Baugh, the Orange County Republican chairman, called for an ethic investigation into the incident, saying the photo is "highly inappropriate" and "drips with racism." He said Davenport should resign from the committee.

 
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  @Tea Party  
 
It was just an e-mail. I do believe that. Too bad the person who created this isn´t some random woman. Self-ownage.
 
  by: id0pa   04/17/2011 01:37 AM     
  +1 for honesty  
 
-100 for ignorance and stupidity.
 
  by: Moral_Hazard   04/17/2011 03:09 AM     
  To be fair...  
 
http://www.sabrizain.org/...

What goes around comes around. I´m sure for Obama, it´s water off his back.
 
  by: zirschky     04/17/2011 03:13 AM     
  @zirschky  
 
You can´t compare making a white person out to be an ape and making a black person out to be one. The latter is a recognized ethnic slur; the first (in Bush´s case) was making fun of that face he always made.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     04/17/2011 03:32 AM     
  @Ben  
 
Well, there´s the rub. You can´t make a *black* person look like an ape because...well...that´s just racist, right?

I live in rural, rural Oregon, in the most Republican county in the state. For all intents and purposes, I should be a redneck. I could swing a dead cat for the rest of my life and never hit a black person where I live. However, I´m not the sort of person that sees a black person and says, "Oh, neat, wouldya look at that?" I like to think that I don´t see color in the sense that, I don´t really think about racial history or propriety where I´m from. If I was holding a fried chicken and watermelon eating contest, I wouldn´t think twice about inviting the Trail Blazers to attend.

Perhaps Davenport is the sort of person that just doesn´t hold, or think about (because it´s of little consequence in how she thinks of people), racial stereotypes.

However, we don´t really know and can´t really know what her intentions were. Perhaps it was a racially charged email.

In the end, though, as a supporter of Obama, I really feel as though we do the president a disservice to cry, "Racism," every time his opponents make gestures that can and may be construed as racism. He´s the first black president for god´s sake. The PRES-I-DENT. Let him be a man and a president and let´s stop treating him like a special or protected class. He can take care of himself.

Edit: I´m by no means defending racism.

<=== Did I mention that this guy has a great relationship with "the blacks"?

[ edited by zirschky ]
 
  by: zirschky     04/17/2011 03:57 AM     
  @zirsch  
 
I don´t see it as defending Obama, I see it as calling out a racist.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     04/17/2011 05:22 AM     
  My Take  
 
White/Black/White-Black?...
It really should be more respectful no matter who holds the office. People are so easily set off nowadays. Someone really needs to take the high road at least so we can point out who´s on the low road.

Of course I´ve been drinking. I could be wrong.
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/17/2011 05:28 AM     
  @article  
 
That sounds funny. I wanna see it
 
  by: t-bagger   04/17/2011 05:37 AM     
  And that´s the low road I was speaking on.  
 
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/17/2011 06:26 AM     
  Who me?  
 
Well i think everything is funny,specially racist stuff. I have a South Park sense of humor where anything goes. I even laughed when they ripped on my "type" in one episode.

Everybody else can take the high road, i like my road.
 
  by: t-bagger   04/17/2011 08:34 AM     
  This just doesn´t make sense.  
 
There IS a birth certificate.
 
  by: jamesmc   04/17/2011 10:40 AM     
  @ Ben  
 
More of the same divide and conquer tactics.. and people like Ben fall for it. Rather than debating REAL issues.. here we are squabbling over a stupid picture. I mean really.. this is all the corporate controllers of this planet want.. for the peasants to fight over NON-ISSUES, injecting claims of racism to charge the emotions of both sides so that no intelligent discussion ever happens. Bush, Obama, Clinton, I don´t care what color you are, how you are depicted, who supports you.. THEY ARE ALL #%@Zing criminals. Let´s get past this senseless infighting, because it really is pathetic, and will get us no where.
 
  by: djcloudychamber   04/17/2011 11:21 AM     
  @zirschky: overt and covert racism  
 
overt racism: the president is a monkey
covert racism: ..birther controversy rages on... Next up in the news the apes move into their new house today; at san diego zoo.


Covert racism is like one of those supersonic pitched noises; a few communicate with each other using this - but look shocked and pretend they never heard it.

[ edited by redstain ]
 
  by: redstain   04/17/2011 02:02 PM     
  So  
 
it would be fair if she´d be kicked out from there i think.

[ edited by vizhatlan ]
 
  by: vizhatlan     04/17/2011 02:58 PM     
  The Tea Baggers Racism Keeps Seeping To The Top  
 
Thanks t-bagger for confirming it.
 
  by: ichi     04/17/2011 06:05 PM     
  @djcloudy  
 
Tactics require a tactician. I reject the notion that there´s some overarching conspiracy to distract from the real issues at hand by having people like Davenport deliberately do things like this from time to time.

Can such issues be distracting? Of course, if you let them. Do politicians take advantage of that? Surely.

But this (and incidents like it) isn´t a deliberate attempt to make people pay no attention to the men behind the curtain. That´s too far-fetched.

[ edited by Ben_Reilly ]
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     04/17/2011 07:44 PM     
  @Ben  
 
There is a group of 100 extremely high ranking politicians and business leaders from around the world which meet each year. They are photographed and videotaped entering various locations around the world in their annual meeting.

It?s referred to as the Bilderberg Group. The heads of the US major media companies are among these attendees; along with heads of state from major western powers.

In 2008 it was reported that their meeting was in Virginia.

You would think that this meeting of worldwide leaders and business interests would catch the front page news, right?

Let?s try an experiment. Go to Google News and search for "Bilderberg Group".

If you?ll notice, you?d be hard pressed to find a US major media article about this Bilderberg Group meeting. In fact, I couldn?t find one. Why?

When clicking on Google?s regular search, what I found was reports that downplay any concerns about these secretive meetings as a crazy "conspiracy theory" OR a news article which has links to it, but has disappeared off the internet entirely.

With so little information about this elite group of political and business interests, it?s very hard for me to gauge what is true and what isn?t true.

IMO usually if you have something to hide, you tend to either make a joke about how absurd it is or hide it completely. As I see it, secrets aren?t best kept out in the open.

So what exactly is this elite group of political and business interests trying to hide here? Why can?t our major political leaders, who have been seen entering these meetings, tell us about what is discussed in these meetings? Is it really so bad that they can?t have the media reporting on it at all?



[ edited by Questioning_Answers ]
 
  by: Questioning_Answers     04/17/2011 09:34 PM     
  QA  
   
  by: ichi     04/17/2011 09:49 PM     
  QA  
 


Yeah, I have heard of them and they are secretive.

The rich and the powerful do run the world. And with the consent of the masses they orchestrate affairs and laws to make themselves more rich and powerful at the expense of those same masses.

[ edited by ichi ]
 
  by: ichi     04/17/2011 09:58 PM     
  @ichi  
 
Hmm I would have thought that from what I wrote it was more or less obvious that I have searched google and google news for the Bilderberg Group.

What exactly compelled you to post that link?
 
  by: Questioning_Answers     04/17/2011 10:33 PM     
  that picture  
 
and one of macheile have been making rounds of the internet for months. hers is how she is holding her mouth and a pic of a chimp with the same mouth gesture. when in the hell did humor die? race jokes have been around for as long as i can remember. when a black does one, its not race. if a white person does one, it´s racists. crap, a kenyan in the big office and no freedom of speach for other then races other then white. worse of a person in some government position or sports says something or passes on something they got in an email. the bottom line is she has the right to pass on any thing she finds of interest. why is no one saying anything of the sender? right, only chosion people can make faked pictures and not be held accountable.
 
  by: shannon853   04/17/2011 10:46 PM     
  I agree  
 
fully with Zirschky.
 
  by: joshjje   04/17/2011 11:49 PM     
  ^^^^  
 
Right-wingers are basically racist bigots. A large majority of them are white supremacists. They keep running jokes about Obama just because he is black. Being black, a liberal and intelligent(as in smarter than they are)is the trifecta for them. 90% of the forwarded BS right-wing emails I get are racist. Nothing they say or do surprises me.
 
  by: Lurker     04/17/2011 11:59 PM     
  @shannon  
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/...

<== This guy has a great relationship with "the blacks". Sounds like you do too.

[ edited by zirschky ]
 
  by: zirschky     04/18/2011 12:26 AM     
  @ichi  
 
hahaha

relax man, my bloody business partner is a different race and we bust jokes about each other all the time. Maybe its different in Canada then in the US, but you can take your PC crap elsewhere. My business partner (a dentist) told me a story once, goes like this...he was talking to a colleague who is a Korean, the Korean said Koreans are the most racist people ever "you should hear us talk", my partner(east indian)said "No Way, east indians are the most racist people, you should hear us talk". When he told me this story and I said "No Way, You should hear us white man talk, we are the most racist people."
Catch my drift? we all bust on other races because we like to, its taboo which makes it funny.

Refer to djcloudychamber comments because he summed it up perfect.

@djcloudychamber

You have to give Ben a break, he hasnt seen the light yet. He still believes in the "left-right" Hell I just shed my team colors last year. It takes longer for some people

[ edited by t-bagger ]
 
  by: t-bagger   04/18/2011 01:43 AM     
  as much as I hate to  
 
I agree with Tea bagger.
The world would be a better place if people laughed at themselves more.
Anything is really only what you make of it, People should put as much effort in trying NOT to be offended as trying not offend.
 
  by: veya_victaous     04/18/2011 01:51 AM     
  @everybody  
 
My name has nothing to do with the Tea Baggers in the States. Im from Canada and my name was around before they came on the scene. Its based on something else :)

they hijacked my name!!! Ironically Im a Ron Paul guy. Palin/Bachmann/others are just plain stupid
 
  by: t-bagger   04/18/2011 02:00 AM     
  @shannon  
 
perhaps you´d care to show me where the government censored/fired/fined/imprisoned/anythinged her? How is it a free speech issue if no government employee has used their position to cause her a problem? Please enlighten us.

No? didn´t think so.
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/18/2011 02:14 AM     
  no racist gov. jokes  
 
This country had almost 200 years of state sponsored racism that lead to the premature deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
I´m sure Obama is laughing at this picture, but is also taking this very seriously. If you are involved with the government and have a problem with race you may start a racist agenda that could become law.
Screwing around with your friends is one thing, but when you represent the 72nd district of orange county what you say becomes your policy.
These jokes have no place in politics or government, because then they become the political or governmental policy.
Republicans and tea partiers should demand her resignation because there is already the notion out there(just listen to bill maher)that the tea party is just a group of angry redneck racists. That the only reason the party started was a black president. This defends that position.
The tea party was supposed to be about corruption not race.
 
  by: baverdi   04/18/2011 04:00 AM     
  @bavardi  
 
good point, ill concede that
 
  by: T-bagger   04/18/2011 04:12 AM     
  @All ethnic groups...and zirschky  
 
Sending e-mails containing images considered as racist in nature is an ethics violation, especially when you want to be affiliated with more than the KKK supporting, bigot,tin-hat wearing "O-BAME-UH IS DUH ANNIE-KRIST" vote.

"I´m sure for Obama, it´s water off his back."
You callin´ O-bame-uh a Mexican...DATS RAY-CISS! /sarcasm
 
  by: id0pa   04/18/2011 05:28 AM     
  I haven´t even seen the picture yet...  
 
and I´m over it.

You know who get upset and in arms over comics? Muslim extremists.

Know what jokes coming back out of the woodwork next if Obamians go on a "Jihad" against this comic?

 
  by: Pyronius     04/18/2011 02:40 PM     
  @Pyronius  
 
In reference to this news, rules created by a white male are being enforced. Will you shut your mouth-ass now?
 
  by: Garbasche   04/18/2011 02:57 PM     
  @Garbage  
 
I see no rules, and I see nothing being enforced.

My "ass mouth"? Because I think stupid stuff like this is better off being ignored than blown up and screamed about?

I´m letting people know where this is going if they are going to get up and arms and scream about it. By presenting the train of thought that will lead to more ridicule and benign comics, you´re going to tell me off?

Know what, fuck off with gusto.

 
  by: Pyronius     04/18/2011 03:32 PM     
  VermiciousG  
 
let´s just watch and see where her career goes from here.
 
  by: shannon853   04/18/2011 04:13 PM     
  @shannon  
 
I´m reasonably sure it´s on a down hill track right now but that hasn´t got the first thing to do with free speech. If her constituents don´t agree with her, refuse donations and don´t vote for her then she will have suffered the consequences of her own actions.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/18/2011 04:58 PM     
  @All  
 
Disregard Lurker. He’s prejudice against white and Asian people.
He once told me a joke that went like…
Q: What’s 9-inches long, and white?
A: Absolutely nothing.

I think Davenport may have overstepped the line.
Yes, racist jokes have been around forever and despite the call for being PC, they still live and thrive… and make lots of money.
Anyone who has watched a Carlos Mencia or Chris Rock standup routine can attest to that. Has anyone watched the Roast of Flava Flav on the Comedy Central? Some of the funnier jokes were about how dark Flava Flav is. The late Greg Giraldo told Flava that he was so black and skinny, he looked like a skeleton wrapped in electrical tape.
http://www.comedycentral.com/...

Very, very, funny roast. It was done in good fun and nobody got hurt --- although, you could see and feel the sting of some of these jokes on their victims’ faces. One thing is for sure: You have to have thick rhinoceros skin to run with these comedians.

Many people publicly shun racial jokes, but within the privacy of their home, within their social circles, or at a comedy club, these same people secretly enjoy and indulge in them. How else would the comedians I’ve mentioned be able to make millions of dollars telling these jokes?

Despite all this, Davenport should have known better. Because of her position of authority, she is held to a higher standard than the Average Joe. There is a reasonable expectation that she remain racially and religiously neutral. In this, she failed.
 
  by: carnold     04/18/2011 06:14 PM     
  You know what  
 
I really though about this.
And it is very offensive and racial humor that has no place in the politics and public office.

This email totally undermines the credibility of the tea-party activist.

 
  by: Mannyishere     04/18/2011 06:16 PM     
  @Mannyishere  
 
I don´t find it racist or inappropriate at all. I´ve seen all other presidents portrayed as apes before. This is just another example of someone trying to give Obama special treatment.
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     04/18/2011 07:13 PM     
  i agree with DJcloudy  
 
what the frick are we doing arguing over a stupid email? I´ll tell you what, wasting time and turning our wheels for nothing. I didn´t approve of the message in the email, and honestly, i don´t care what was said in the email, it doesn´t change a damned thing. This article was the same as the banned bag lunch article, useless information, for useless people that only buy into the notion and/or idea because they are too shallow and dumb to understand that the idea being presented is a fallacy in itself.
 
  by: meshuggahfan   04/18/2011 07:13 PM     
  Look, folks  
 
When Carnold -- CARNOLD, of all people -- says that a Republican overstepped a line, they OVERSTEPPED A FRAKIN´ LINE. Period.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     04/18/2011 08:05 PM     
  @Ben  
 
This isn´t a matter of right vs left.

As someone directly involved in politics, she should have known that this would not be well received and would weigh heavily on her political career.

I´m an objective person. I´ll whip on Republicans just as quickly as I´ll let the Dems have it, when their conduct warrants it. This isn´t the first time, and I doubt it will be the last.
 
  by: carnold     04/18/2011 08:22 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
Just like you whipped up on Republican Scott Walker when he gave a college dropout with a history of drunk driving arrests -- who JUST SO HAPPENED to be the son of one of his top financial donors -- a cushy state job with an $81,000 per year salary? At a time when he was telling the media that the state had no money?

Let´s see what you said:

"Was his raise the result of stellar performance? Was it part of an across-the-board raise for those in his position/department? The article doesn´t bother delving into mitigating factors --- it just focuses on the superficial."

Way to whip up on Walker (who was so ashamed by the media exposure of this incident that he had the donor´s son in question demoted, by the way).
 
  by: ben_reilly     04/18/2011 08:37 PM     
  Except...  
 
This was a private email sent to someone as an "lol", in regards to something they found on the internet.

I think Right wing banter is pretty much grade A retardation...but this isn´t even something worth mentioning.

I´d rather people´s time be spent fighting against publicans trying to get creationism in school agendas or refuting the proposed funding for Answers in Genesis..

Crying about this is just as stupid as the original concept of the joke.
 
  by: Pyronius     04/18/2011 09:16 PM     
  @Ben  
 
“Just like you whipped up on Republican Scott Walker when…”

I fail to see any impropriety on Walker’s part. You and the lefties have failed to show any, as well. This is all propaganda from the left-wing smear machine.

Did Walker hire the employee in question, or did he apply like everyone else and get the job?
Was he hired because he was the son of a campaign donor, or because he was qualified for the position?

Not once have you (or anyone else) answered these questions or shown that he was unqualified for his position. The lefty arguments all boil down to, “he got a state job and his dad makes political donations.” Are you suggesting that he should never be eligible to ever apply for a state job because his dad made political donations? What kind of nonsense is that? That’s just flat-out discrimination and I won’t be any part of that witch hunt. My father and I agree and disagree a lot with politics. Two of my sisters are wacky Liberals --- I love them to death, but their heads have been brainwashed by losers.

That said, you are also trying to assume his political stances by his father’s.
Sorry. It doesn’t work like that.
 
  by: carnold     04/18/2011 09:56 PM     
  @carnold  
 
"or did he apply like everyone else and get the job?"

Whoa whoa whoa. This from the guy that in another thread was going on and on about the importance of having a degree? Do you honestly believe, in a country with soaring unemployment, that this kid *applied* and was *more qualified* than any other candidate?

Furthermore, I don´t think this has anything to do with liberals or conservatives. Nobody is making any claims about this kid´s political views. I think what is being pointed out is that it´s all a little too coincidental and given the larger body of evidence, only serves to brighten the colors that paint Walker as crooked.

[ edited by zirschky ]
 
  by: zirschky     04/18/2011 10:57 PM     
  I´m not defending CA or anything  
 
But most of the jobs I´ve had in my life I got because a friend or family member recommended me. Now, those weren´t high profile, public service jobs with a ludicrous starting salary but there is something to be said for a little nepotism down here in the trenches.

Show me someone who can say that they never got help from a friend getting a job with a straight face and I´ll show you a good liar.
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/18/2011 11:24 PM     
  I never got help from friends or family  
 
in getting a job.

Likewise, I´ve refused all requests from friends to "get them a job."

I tell them if they want to work where I work, to apply like any normal person and earn it.

Working with friends/family is usually just bad policy and creates a riptide of crap you don´t want flowing from work to personal life or vice versa.
 
  by: Pyronius     04/18/2011 11:31 PM     
  @zirsch  
 
“This from the guy that in another thread was going on and on about the importance of having a degree?”

Yep. It’s also coming from a guy that has contracted for the government on state and local levels.

On 11/16/2010, I said:

“As a former contractor for several state and county agencies, I can personally confirm that the work ethic and level of talent within those agencies are deplorable. It’s deplorable to the point of being unhealthy for anyone with ambition. Why is it unhealthy? In the private sector, you’re expected to perform your duties effectively and efficiently. The culture in most government agencies is antithetical of that. I was amazed at how little was expected from government employees, insofar as quality and timely results. It literally took four people to do what one person was expected to do in the private-sector positions I’ve held… in the same amount of time. These people would never last in a private-sector job, and most of them will even confess it.”
http://www.shortnews.com/...


The requirements and qualifications for a state job aren’t that high. Unless you’re applying for a Director position or higher, you don’t need a degree, or a high-school diploma for that matter. This culture of mediocrity is evident in their paychecks, too --- they’re paid significantly lower than contractors (although they do have terrific benefits). Those that can’t make it in the private sector often gravitate towards state jobs because the work environment is low-stress and it’s hard to get fired once you’ve made it through your 90-day probationary period.

It’s not like this guy took a job that requires a PhD from MIT or Harvard. It’s a state job, for chrissake.
 
  by: carnold     04/18/2011 11:33 PM     
  What? @carnold  
 
"the requirements and qualifications for a state job arent that high. Unless youre applying for a Director position or higher, you dont need a degree, or a high-school diploma for that matter. This culture of mediocrity is evident in their paychecks, too"

He was making 80k a year which is a hell of a paycheck for a state job without high qualifications. The fact is that it?s not about whether or not he applied or was just recommended by who ever. The problem is his criminal history and lack of high end qualifications in regards to his pay.

Lets assume for a second that the job was indeed a "low qualifications" type of position. Then the pay was disproportionately high. If not then he wasn?t qualified at a level that people (both the casual observer and those in the know) thought was needed.

With the later demotion lending to the fact that there was some impropriety (not saying he was hired because of daddy but was definitely given some special consideration in pay or qualification) in his getting the job its hard to say that there wasn?t something fishy going on.

[ edited by aerodym ]
 
  by: aerodym   04/19/2011 02:44 AM     
  @carnold  
 
Yeah. You´re right. The requirements for a state job aren´t that high. Showing up to work though, apparently, is one of them...

http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/...

Oh, this culture of mediocrity, where have you taken us?

[ edited by zirschky ]
 
  by: zirschky     04/19/2011 03:14 AM     
  @pyronius  
 
I stand corrected: a good liar or someone with no friends.
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/19/2011 03:26 AM     
  Aww mang!  
 
Some of you are like a dog chasing your own tail.

1. There are policies and guidelines in place for people in positions of this nature (military members/politicians/corporate CEO) to avoid a potential sexual harassment lawsuit, racist claim, etc.

2. She did not adhere to these rules.

3. She was reported, which is also considered an acceptable response b/c if this was released much later in her career...imagine the amount of money wasted on the campaign only to be shot down by some dumb "ape" e-mail.
4. Get over it, guys. Nice try, guys. Good summary, btw.

[ edited by id0pa ]
 
  by: id0pa   04/19/2011 03:35 AM     
  @id0pa  
 
Okay, more than a little condescending but correct.
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/19/2011 03:41 AM     
  @Ben  
 
Quote:You can´t compare making a white person out to be an ape and making a black person out to be one.

Take your political correct BS and shove it. It is sickening how you are against one action when it is Obama and condone the same action when it is Bush.
What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. There was nothing racist about it. The joke was about the Birth Certificate not the color of his skin. Your the one who brought Obama being black into this when the truth is for all you know, Davenport could have been making fun of the white half.

White or black, Bush or Obama it is equally a disgrace in both cases.

You admit you are OK with the Bush comparison and yet try to bash Davenport. Seems to me, your train of thought makes you just as low as Davenport.
 
  by: hellblazer     04/19/2011 09:15 AM     
  @t-bagger  
 
Get over yourself. You haven´t had some wonderful epiphany and realized that "left-right" doesn´t exist, whereas Ben is left behind and can´t comprehend this.

Yes, there are many bigger issues mostly left undiscussed in main stream media for which left and right wing politicians have nearly identical positions. Yes, it is a fallacy to believe that this simple one dimensional spectrum sums up the all of politics.

However, a lot of policy differences can be described as left wing or right wing since views on a number of issues tend to be strongly correlated with each other.

Ben has views that would be generally considered progressive in the US. I agree with most of them, an d think he usually comes off pretty well informed. Its more than I can say for you.
 
  by: reverend j roach     04/19/2011 09:39 AM     
  wowzers  
 
can yall take a chill pill and quit hatin
 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   04/19/2011 02:27 PM     
  @Verm  
 
I´d argue just the opposite, that those people who do call themselves my friends are about as true as you can get, where our relationships are based upon interaction and conversation, rather than an exchange of "What can you do for me?".
 
  by: Pyronius     04/19/2011 02:40 PM     
  @aerodym  
 
Lets assume for a second that the job&
Both you and Ben have already done a great deal of assuming.

He was making 80k a year which is a hell of a paycheck for a state job without high qualifications& The problem is his criminal history and lack of high end qualifications in regards to his pay.
Nobody can tell me what his title is, what department hes in, or what the job requirements/specs are and how they match up to his experience.

Can you show me how he doesnt have high qualifications? Having a DUI is irrelevant to this discussion --- its merely thrown in there by the lefties to further besmirch him for political reasons. A DUI is a misdemeanor; you can become a police officer with a DUI on your record.

Im always encouraging everyone to further their education and get a college degree. Is it absolutely necessary to get a job? No, but it certainly makes you a more viable candidate. In todays competitive job market, having those credentials could mean the difference between going to work or remaining in the unemployment line.

During the 90s tech-boom, the demand for software developers surged. This led to promising and talented software developers being hired straight out of high-school without any professional experience. Many of these developers honed their skills to the point that their lack of a degree didnt become an issue in their job search. That willingness to screen candidates based on talent and knowledge vs sheer credentials has carried over into the present.

If you go to Dice.com or Monster.com (two job-related sites dedicated to the IT industry), type in C# (without quotes), and read some of the Application Architect or Sr. Developer postings, youll see in the job requirements section that *most* of them require that you have a degree OR equivalent work experience. The IT industry is one of the few industries where you can make $100K without a degree --- although, if your qualifications are on par with someone that does, the guy with the degree has a greater chance of landing that job.

Is it possible to gain employment and make a six-figure salary without a degree? Absolutely.
Is this more of an exception than the rule? Absolutely.

With the later demotion lending to the fact that there was some impropriety&
Again, more assuming. Immediately after the demotion, the guy resigned. The lefties were causing so much of a distraction out of this that the guy couldnt do his job (or put up with the headache).

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  by: carnold     04/19/2011 06:19 PM     
  CArnold?!!!  
 
I think you should Seek help. "lol jk"

but uh

Put more energy(you seemingly display tons, mostly derogatorily and arrogantly)to use in a more productive manner. Its for the better dude..
no offense.
 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   04/19/2011 07:23 PM     
  @Dr.DiM  
 
“…mostly derogatorily…”

Eh?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/...

Which part?
The posts where I agreed Davenport shouldn’t have involved herself in something that could be construed as racist, or the posts where I point out that all the lefties creating a controversy over a hire is founded on nothing but sheer assumptions and suppositions?
 
  by: carnold     04/19/2011 08:02 PM     
  WOW...  
 
Another racist republican/teabagger showing their true colors.

 
  by: smgordon1259   04/19/2011 11:38 PM     
  Wanna see true colors?  
 
Liberal SEIU activists shout racial epithets at a black man and then beat him up at town hall meeting.

http://www.examiner.com/...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/...

Police report:
http://www.docstoc.com/...


WOW! Look! A group of racist Liberal idiots calling a black guy the N-word and beating him up for being black and a Tea Party member.

Let´s compare:
1) An email with an ambiguous interpretation.
Vs.
2) Flat-out wearing racism on their sleeves and beating up a black guy.

It’s not even a comparison.

The irony:
Despite pushing for Obamacare and *insisting* that it was a valuable piece of legislation, the SEIU requested for and received a waiver granting them *exemption* from it. They passionately proclaimed that this bill was the single most important piece of legislation in our lifetime… and then requested to have no part of it, after it was passed.

Heh. Flakey Libs.
 
  by: carnold     04/20/2011 12:11 AM     
  @carnold  
 
*face/palm*

Do you read things before you post them?

Nowhere in any of those sources is it claimed that the "angry mob" were Democrats. It says they were SEIU members but does not say they were democrats. In fact, in the first source it also makes a point of saying that Nancy Pelosi made accusations against the mob, which leads one to believe that Democrats don´t condone this behavior.

Furthermore, the attacker accused of using racial slurs was himself black. Interesting.

Go ahead and use your broad strokes to paint democrats as racist, fascist, ignorant bigots, but remember, fallacious reasoning may trick some but to those of us that can spot it, all it does is serve to make you look like a fool. It makes me chuckle. You try so hard.
 
  by: zirschky     04/20/2011 12:20 AM     
  @zirsch  
 
"It says they were SEIU members but does not say they were democrats."

Ummmm... zirsch, why were the SEIU members at the town hall meeting?
Yes, that´s right: to support Obamacare.

Why was Gladley at the event?
Yes, that right, as well: because he opposed Obamacare.

Let´s put out thinking-caps on for a minute and think about it....

Gladley, a black conservative member of the Tea Party, is verbally and physically attacked by a couple of people that support Obamacare and are members of SEIU.

Using context clues, logic, and deductive reasoning, I don´t think those SEIU members were Republican or Tea Party members. Am I the only one with that epiphany?



SEIU...

"[SEIU] spent $28 million supporting Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election, making it the "organization that spent the most to help Barack Obama get elected president."
http://en.wikipedia.org/...

"Dem Congressman Blames SEIU, Other Leftist Groups For Midterm Loses"
http://thehill.com/...

"Under union president Andy Stern, SEIU has built itself into a labor powerhouse.
A key part of its strategy is connecting with *other* liberal organizations — some three dozen of them, according to research by NPR and the Center for Investigative Reporting.
The main emissary of this outreach is SEIU Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger. And here is one that is surprising for a union leader: She´s vice chair of the Democracy Alliance, a collection of liberal millionaires.

"I´m a strong believer in building coalitions and a strong believer in partnering with ***people who share our values***, so that we can more effectively work together, more effectively strategize together, and more effectively make change together," she said.

Political scientist Peter Francia wrote the book The Future of Organized Labor in American Politics. He says unions have been reaching out to liberal groups since the 1990s, when the AFL-CIO started mending a rift that dated from the Vietnam War. He said that Anna Burger and SEIU are definitely at the forefront of that movement now."
http://www.npr.org/...

In-depth analysis of SEIU´s involvement with liberal advocacy groups, the amount of money that is transferred, and the SEIU officials involved.
http://centerforinvestigativereporting.org/...


If I say it´s so, then you can bet that it´s so.
 
  by: carnold     04/20/2011 12:52 AM     
  @carnold  
 
Deductive reasoning? Ha. You´re attempting to fill out an enthymeme with loose, inductive premises. Sure, you can assume the SEIU members involved in this incident were Democrats, but the fact is you can´t be sure. Many union members have turned to Democrats to protect their rights as workers because the Republicans refuse to do so. Does this mean that all union members are Democrats? Absolutely not. There is no reason for us to assume that simply because union members show support for Democrats who are fighting for them, that said union members vote for Democrats or vote on legislation from a liberal standpoint. It´s a pretty simple categorical syllogism that you can´t deny.

But, let´s play your line of reasoning out. Let´s assume that the members of the SEIU involved in this assault were Democrats and that the attack was completely and solely motivated by political views. Does this make all Democrats evil, frothing beasts? Are we to conclude that Democrats condone this form of behavior? I don´t think so. You´re not going to fool anyone by posting lengthy articles in their entirety and numerous links to try and obfuscate the point that you´ve got an agenda here, you´re reason is blinded by your emotion and you simply hate Democrats.
 
  by: zirschky     04/20/2011 01:21 AM     
  lol CAR wow  
 
"“…mostly derogatorily…”

Eh?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/...

whoops made a typo. added an "il" by mistake. it happens.

You need to calm down.

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  by: Dr.DiMiTree   04/20/2011 01:55 AM     
  @CArnold  
 
That black guy had to be trolling.
 
  by: Garbasche   04/20/2011 02:42 PM     
  @Dim  
 
"...whoops made a typo."

No, you didn´t. You spelled it correctly.

I was referring to your usage of the word and was asking you to point out where I "derogatorily" said anything.

Yes, you should calm down.

[ edited by carnold ]
 
  by: carnold     04/20/2011 09:08 PM     
  Monkey see monkey do  
 
This whole thing is silly and boarding on stupid.

No different than all the GW Bush pictures.

Get over it, we have more important issues to be concerned about than some stupid picture; for example, three wars, crisis debt, declining dollar, unemployment, etc, etc, etc. things that will impact our lives, our children, and grandchildren.
Close the issue and move on...
 
  by: Mr.Science   04/20/2011 09:53 PM     
  ca  
 
i was highly caffeinated at the time. lol

Grammar and all that ultra-formal bs is not my forte. You get off trying to dominate in conversation..online somewhat anonymously.
wonder how you speak IRL

w.e u mean you know whats up



 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   04/20/2011 10:48 PM     
  and do not take that comment  
 
the wrong way.
I respect your dedication.

We are all conscious beings looking out for ourselves and our loved ones. We all overindulge and want to make our time in this universe self-worthy. lol idk why but you are an O K dude imo you IMO!!!!! just need more uhhhh...

Empathy.
 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   04/20/2011 11:09 PM     
  hahh  
 
hahhh hahhh hah ha hah


EMPATHY
><><><>< LOOK IT UP

lulz
 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   04/22/2011 06:37 AM     
  @Dr.DiMiTree  
 
Got Sleep?
 
  by: VermiciousG     04/22/2011 09:01 AM     
  got job?  
 
i work night shifts

makin dat money hahaha


bored so i surf the web in times i deem necessarily worth such action.


chill
 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   04/22/2011 09:59 AM     
 
 
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