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Obama Administration Denies Texas Aid in Wake of Fires

 

Since Nov. 2010, Texas has dealt with over 9,000 fires that have destroyed over 400 homes and 2.2 million acres. On Dec. 21, 2010, Governor Perry issued an Emergency Disaster Proclamation, and reinstated the proclamation on 1/19, 2/17, 3/18, and 4/15.

The Obama administration has denied Texas’ plea for a Major Disaster Declaration. Such a declaration would provide federal assistance and assets in combating the blazes, included aviation and firefighting resources.

Perry reported he’s “dismayed that this administration has denied Texans the much needed assistance they deserve. It is not only the obligation of the federal government, but its responsibility under law to help its citizens in times of emergency."

 
  Source: www.wivb.com  
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  Perhaps  
 
Perry should declare some days of prayer. It worked the last time. Just sayin´.
 
  by: the_dude   05/05/2011 09:19 PM     
  Let me get this straight...  
 
Obama will give Libyan rebels $25-million and spend *millions per day* to continue a no-fly-zone in Libya... but he can´t help out his own citizens in need???

The big kicker is that the Libyans don´t even want us there!!

Where are his priorities?
 
  by: carnold     05/05/2011 09:19 PM     
  @the dude  
 
I was about to suggest that, too.
Prayer is obviously doing a lot more for them than Obama.
 
  by: carnold     05/05/2011 09:20 PM     
  well the source says nothing  
 
so cArnold can you enlighten us as to the reason that the federal government took the stance they did?

I´m sure that being the well informed and balanced individual that you are you will have researched that.

I´m guessing it´s something to do with states having their own facilities which are funded by their own taxes. State´s rights, state´s responsibilities.

Small government and all that - you should be pleased they´re staying out of this one.
 
  by: jamesmc   05/05/2011 09:34 PM     
  Good question james  
 
Politics is all I can think of.

Why else would he help one state, but deny it to another?

"Obama Signs Disaster Declaration for Alabama Tornadoes"
http://www.foxnews.com/...


Tell us why you think we should send $25-million to Libyan rebels
http://www.cbsnews.com/...

and $2-billion p/yr to Pakistan
http://www.voanews.com/...

BUT... he can´t even help those suffering from a natural disaster within his own nation?

Tell us, james. Where do you find the justification for this?
 
  by: carnold     05/05/2011 09:53 PM     
  I wonder...  
 
How is it that the same people who think the poor and unfortunate should be left to sort out their own dilemma rather than providing them with help, are willing to contradict themselves in regards others who have hardships.

Shouldn´t the measure be the same?

In both cases (homeless and disaster victims), these people should have planned ahead so they would be prepared for the hardship. They didn´t, so they pay the price. In both cases an argument can be made that says that these people were irresponsible, by failing to consider their future and that not doing so unfairly burdens others.

CArnold... You are advocating a form of welfare... This attitude seems entirely against your grain.

Either you are for or against public assistance... What is it?
 
  by: richie65x   05/05/2011 10:29 PM     
  @richie  
 
I’ve always been very clear on that, richie.

Financial aid is for those that need help. Unexpected layoffs, natural disasters, etc.
Financial aid *isn’t* for those that are capable or working, but are too lazy to do so. And it *isn’t* for those that feel everyone around them owes them something because they made bad life-decisions, yet blame their life failures on everyone else.

Deserving = Those in a rut that need a lending hand; *temporary* assistance until they get themselves back on their feet.

Undeserving = Those that try to make a lifetime profession out of mooching off others and freeloading off the government.

The distinctions are clear.
 
  by: carnold     05/05/2011 11:02 PM     
  Undeserving =  
 
Undeserving = Those that try to make a lifetime profession out of mooching off others and freeloading off the government.

Well that definition sums up every politician I can think of... Even the ones in Texas (and the other 49 as well)

Is there the possibility that the Fed characterized Texas as "capable or working" enough that Federal dollars were not deemed necessary?

Perhaps the Great State of Texas is able to manage this with out help after all - Someone had to make that decasion.

My guess is that the decision was based more upon the possibility that the federal monies would have been squandered easily in the midst of Texas being able to manage with out said funds.

Could be... Huh?
 
  by: richie65x   05/05/2011 11:12 PM     
  @richie  
 
If you’d like more clarification on my stance of “deserving vs undeserving”, tiggyfiggy and I had a good conversation on 12/9/2010 about that. As you’ll see, I’ve been unwaveringly consistent in it:
http://www.shortnews.com/...


“Is there the possibility that the Fed characterized Texas as "capable or working" enough that Federal dollars were not deemed necessary?”
Then explain why just 6 days ago, "Obama Signs Disaster Declaration for Alabama Tornadoes".
http://www.foxnews.com/...

What happened in Alabama was a genuine tragedy. They most definitely deserve the aid.
So does Texas.

“My guess is that the decision was based more upon the possibility that the federal monies would have been squandered easily in the midst of Texas being able to manage with out said funds.”
Hmmmm… That’s not what I was hearing after hurricane Katrina. Why the sudden about face? Because a partisan Liberal is now in the Oval Office?

[ edited by carnold ]
 
  by: carnold     05/05/2011 11:50 PM     
  @Carny  
 
"administration official with knowledge of federal assistance provided to Texas tells CNN the state has already been allocated 16 fire management assistance grants that provide financial support for the specific purpose of fighting fires. Texas has been approved to receive six more grants of this kind to aid state and local governments with firefighting efforts that include equipment, field camps, mobilizing and demobilizing activities. The most recent fire management grant was approved Wednesday."

So just to get this straight, shortly after Obama took office Governor Perry said this: "Texas can leave the union if it wants to."

Now governor perry comes screaming back to uncle sam to plea help from the very union it wanted to leave?

Governor Perry, are you dense, dumb, or ignorant. All that grand standing and now all you have to show is a pair of red knees.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   05/06/2011 01:10 AM     
  @carnold  
 
Perry is Just Reaping what he Sowed.

Maybe he should pray, but rather than bending down to his false God he she Prostrate himself before ´our beloved lord Obama´.
 
  by: veya_victaous     05/06/2011 01:22 AM     
  @richie65x  
 
I read your debate with CA, I am lost on you actual position on the subject. Are you for Obama denying the Emergency or are you against it?

I understand completely what Ca is saying.. He forgot to mention, we give illegals millions by means of health care, homes and schooling and when it comes to our "Own" we deny them. Something is wrong with that picture.

And you know as well as I do what CA means when he says the undeserving yet you try to twist it into something it isn´t. And if you don´t know what he is talking about then this has to be the first time in your life you have crawled from under the rock where you lived your sheltered life.
 
  by: hellblazer     05/06/2011 01:32 AM     
  Good for him  
 
Lets get this straight...Obama gets elected and these unpatriotic jackholes cry that there going to secede from the United States, now they,re begging for handouts from it. F Texas

[ edited by monstrddg ]
 
  by: monstrddg   05/06/2011 01:45 AM     
  Obama can´t send help,  
 
Perry burned the bridge. He´ll have to deal with the earth that he scorched.
 
  by: Moral_Hazard   05/06/2011 02:00 AM     
  ^--- Liberals at their finest  
 
@veya, monstrddg, Moral_Hazard

Interesting. Please tell us more.
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 02:03 AM     
  what I think...  
 
None of us can asses the needs as fare as who gets what... My original post was intentionally allegorical. It was not meant to express an opinion. Rather it was designed to explore CArnolds perspective.

As much as I may not agree with him. Perspective is a form of currency for me.

Now CArnold... I think that you embarras yourself when you critisize this as partisan.

Most of what you announce here is very right wing partisan. Who can blame you, but all the same... You are largly a biased person. Faulting a partisan approach paints you as a hypocrite.

If this denial of federal funds IS a partisan ploy, let it be a reminder of how ugly the game has gotten. All in the hopes of stopping it sooner rather than later.

Both sides are guilty here, but my recollection as to who cast the first stone goes back to the group that retained Kenneth Starr. That mentality has earned them nothing worth bragging about. Though that method continues to fill their sails to this day.

Yet they cry foul when the tables turn all the same.

Perry crying foul may just be his just desserts.

~forgive any errors... posted via mobile
 
  by: richie65x   05/06/2011 02:05 AM     
  @Carnold  
 
"Tell us why you think we should send $25-million to Libyan rebels"

Foreign policy is always a federal thing over there isn´t it, the government could hardly have said texas should have paid for that themselves.

[ edited by jamesmc ]
 
  by: jamesmc   05/06/2011 02:14 AM     
  speculation  
 
Republicans in Texas get themselves elected with promises of lower taxes and less federal influence.

Republicans in congress try to force the democrats to cut funding to everything under the sun under pain of shutting down the government and blaming the democrats.

Then when Texas finds itself in a crisis (which i believe could have been completely forseen, how many years in the average 20 have a high number of wildfires?) which it can´t pay for because Republicans have been irresponsible with revenue gathering - why should the rest of the country bail them out?

I know that´s not a fair assessment because there are probably plenty of responsible voters in Texas who haven´t voted for these state politicians - and even if they had I agree that the government should bail them out in the end.

Foreign policy doesn´t come into it carnold, it´s a separate budget and even Obama himself can´t take money from foreign policy and put it into federal disaster relief, at least not without the approval of congress - if you don´t feel that the USA should have intervened in Libya then that´s an argument you´ll have to make without referring to federal disaster relief.
 
  by: jamesmc   05/06/2011 02:28 AM     
  as for  
 
a possible double standard between Alabama and Texas well I wouldn´t be able to comment without knowing the reason that the government had to deny Perry´s request, which a balanced article would have acknowledged. The article you´ve cited appears to have conspicuously declined to report on the reason, which leads me to believe that you are getting your news from a website which has a conservative agenda. Shocking idea, I know.

I hereby invite you to read about this from a credible source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/...
 
  by: jamesmc   05/06/2011 02:34 AM     
  @richie65x  
 
That was... ummmm... What are you trying to say? You´re speaking in circles and not going anywhere.

You´re accusing me of being partisan, yet I´ve never opposed our government granting aid to those that have suffered a natural disaster. At home or abroad. So, that was something you obviously pulled out your butt.

Hellblazer isn´t alone in trying to figure out what you´re trying to say. In fact, I´ve commented in past threads on how your posts are extremely wordy but fail to convey any sort of message.

All I´m getting from you is that you think helping people suffering from disasters is partisan. What??
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 02:47 AM     
  obama  
 
and congress are far too busy giving billions to other nations to worry about the people in texas. a billion to pakistan ok, but to teh folks back home??? na
 
  by: shannon853   05/06/2011 02:54 AM     
  @james  
 
"...it´s a separate budget..."
So is FEMA.

"Obama himself can´t take money from foreign policy and put it into federal disaster relief, at least not without the approval of congress.."
This is your defense for going to war with Libya? Guess what James? Obama didn´t seek Congress´ approval to go to war with Libya.
http://nation.foxnews.com/...

You Libs attempted to call Iraq an illegal war because you wrongly believed that Bush didn´t have Congressional approval --- when in fact, he had overwhelming approval.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...

See the double standard and hypocrisy?

“The article you´ve cited appears to have conspicuously declined to report on the reason…”
You assume they bothered to give one. The source I used was from a television station in Texas.

“…which leads me to believe that you are getting your news from a website which has a conservative agenda.”
I think you and Richie are reading from the same script.
What political agenda was there with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? Are you saying they shouldn’t have been helped? How about the wildfires in California? We helped them… what makes Texas any different.

I love it. Liberals label themselves as caring and compassionate… but, once more, they prove that it depends upon their politics.
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 03:10 AM     
  @CArnold  
 
What I´m saying is... "You are largely a biased person. Faulting a partisan approach paints you as a hypocrite."

The responses you provide to much of what is brought up on SN are pretty much verbatim rhetoric similar to what is pumped through the airwaves on all of the right wing stations.

Even this threads story is presented based on conservative talking points pushed out by the G.O.P. This talking point is plastered all over the web. All appearing at about the same time.

You placing blame, as you did, saying "Because a partisan Liberal is now in the Oval Office?" - Is very hypocritical of you.

Does that explain to you what looked like me "speaking in circles and not going anywhere"

Be accountable for your own words.
 
  by: richie65x   05/06/2011 03:12 AM     
  @richie  
 
"You´re accusing me of being partisan, yet I´ve never opposed our government granting aid to those that have suffered a natural disaster. At home or abroad. So, that was something you obviously pulled out your butt.
...
All I´m getting from you is that you think helping people suffering from disasters is partisan. What??"

Great. That means I was successful in deciphering your cryptic post.

“Be accountable for your own words.”
What’s there to be accountable for? I’m saying Texas should receive aid. Is that bad?

Your turn. Be accountable for your own words and explain how this is partisan.
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 03:20 AM     
  In all honesty...  
 
I´m all for helping those who need help, who ask for help.

I am a (secular) Buddhist - This precept is inherent in my philosophy.

The Texas state government has repeatedly made it abundantly clear that they don´t want anything from the federal government... Hence "Perry crying foul may just be his just desserts."

If he is now expecting federal monies - He too proves himself a hypocrite.

If the people of the Great State of Texas are looking to place blame on this issue, they should probably first point fingers at the Governor they appointed.
 
  by: richie65x   05/06/2011 03:50 AM     
  @richie  
 
"The Texas state government has repeatedly made it abundantly clear that they don´t want anything from the federal government."

Where? When? Link?

Do the people of Texas not pay their federal income taxes? Explain this double standard.
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 03:58 AM     
  @carnold  
 
"...it´s a separate budget..."
So is FEMA.

Yes, that´s my point. the executive branch can´t take money from foreign policy and put it into FEMA unilaterally.

"Guess what James? Obama didn´t seek Congress´ approval to go to war with Libya."
Ye yes but it´s not about seeking approval to go to war (or whatever you call that the USA is doing over there) - the money for libya was already there in the foreign policy budget to be spent. For the government to take that money and spend it on something that is not foreign policy (such as disaster relief) which you seem to be suggesting they should have done, would be illegal.

"You Libs attempted to call Iraq an illegal war because you wrongly believed that Bush didn´t have Congressional approval --- when in fact, he had overwhelming approval." - I don´t care if it had congressional approval or not, it wasn´t sanctioned by the UN until AFTER the invasion. again, this is not about Iraq so let´s leave it.

"“The article you´ve cited appears to have conspicuously declined to report on the reason…”
You assume they bothered to give one. The source I used was from a television station in Texas." -
my point was that as a news connoisseur, which I class any regular here as, do you not you look at the article you used as your source and immediately think ´wow, they haven´t given the reader the whole story here!, let me find a better source so I can be fully informed´. (which is what I did - see the link above). If not, you make yourself look like a fool by deciding without evidence that Obama would be likely to make decisions without thinking them through. Before you call me a hypocrite because ´liberals´ always made that claim about GWB, I ask you to stay on topic here and not make assumptions about me.

"What political agenda was there with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? Are you saying they shouldn’t have been helped? How about the wildfires in California? We helped them… what makes Texas any different."

I´m saying nothing of the sort, i´m merely saying that the article you linked has either purposefully left out important details or they have been severely negligent in their journalism and I wish I could have expected better from you.

"I love it. Liberals label themselves as caring and compassionate… but, once more, they prove that it depends upon their politics."

It´s no secret that I´m a leftie (or a realist, whatever - same thing) but more than a political agenda I like responsible journalism.

The government declined the funding *at this time* because *there was already federal funding* and the federal government *is already helping* and between Alabama and Texas there are two main differences, the difference of SCALE and the fact that the fires in Texas have damaged or endangered mainly people´s holiday homes, not their primary residences as in Alabama. Furthermore, funding may be arranged if the situation changes and it is being monitored.

Shockingly, it would seem that Obama hasn´t made a decision out of spite because he doesn´t like this republican governor, there were genuine reasons.

Governor Perry thinks that a bunch of rich folks holiday homes should be protected by the taxpayer, while presumably he feels that social welfare should be cut along with corporate taxes (I dunno just guessing there).

[ edited by jamesmc ]
 
  by: jamesmc   05/06/2011 03:59 AM     
  @carnold  
 
Typical conservative PARTISAN whining. Texas refuses to tax it´s citzens to support the necessary infrastructure to handle these seasonal, predictable situations (living in the southwest I know this). Essentially they are trying to foist their bills onto the rest of the country. It´s not a disaster, it´s financial incompetence.

And this foreign aide garbage shows a complete ignorance of how foreign aide and mutual defense treaties work. We did not start the Libyan conflict (unlike Bush´s vanity war in Iraq). Whether you like it or not, we are obligated to contribute JUST AS THE OTHER NATIONS HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN and elsewhere now, then and the future. Do the math instead of making stuff up. The investment, yes investment, is greater than the shortsighted expenses you blindly rant upon.
 
  by: Moral_Hazard   05/06/2011 04:05 AM     
  http://www.texassecede.com/  
 
Where: Texas, you silly!
When: Perry has been spouting about it since early 2009

Link: Hey look, here are several!
http://www.time.com/...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/...

http://www.texassecede.com/...

And this is HuffPo... But they to reported on it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
 
  by: richie65x   05/06/2011 04:06 AM     
  ^^^  
 
...what he said.
 
  by: mcink2   05/06/2011 04:40 AM     
  @Moral  
 
"We did not start the Libyan conflict (unlike Bush´s vanity war in Iraq). Whether you like it or not, we are obligated to contribute JUST AS THE OTHER NATIONS HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN and elsewhere now, then and the future."

We aren´t obligated to contribute to anything. Europe got scared their oil supply would be ...hindered and they bitch out Obama for not protecting it in the name of human rights. But who gives a damn about Syria? Now we are in another shit storm and all you have to say "Its ok, Obama had no choice since there are obligations to be met"? OBAMA DID HAVE A CHOICE. He could have simply stood up for his ´promises´ of no more wars. But, why isn´t Obama attacking Syria since he has no problem bombing one country, why not the other? If what you say stands true, he (and the other countries.. Europe) is obligated to stand up for the rights of the people of Syria where over 500 people have died from peaceful (in most instances) protesting.

Or let me ask you this: Are we obligated to ´contribute´ to just one more war since we contributed to this one? That way both obligations stemming from Iraq and Afghanistan have been met? So after we put ourselves in war #4, we don´t have to bother with war #5 unless it is us who started it?

In your opinion, what makes us obligated? What situations should we act on those obligations and what situations should we not?

@Carnold: I don´t know that Texas has as much of need as does Alabama. More people died in Alabama. But maybe just give relief to the Texas citizens that lost their homes and jobs?
 
  by: nimira     05/06/2011 06:58 AM     
  @richie  
 
Thanks.

Read your links. Does it sound familiar? Maybe kind of like my "Deserved vs Undeserved" argument?

So, according to your logic...
If a person is willing to accept government aid for his entire life... he should be able to continue receiving welfare because he accepts it with both arm wide open.

BUT...

What if someone says, "No thanks, I don´t need welfare. I´m going to try to do this on my own." But, by some unforseen circumstance, that person happens to fall on bad times, he shouldn´t be able to receive assistance because he refused welfare in the first place?

Spin it how you want to. This is exactly what you´re saying. According to you, federal aid is an all-or-nothing proposal. Either you live off the government´s teet, or don´t expect milk once you leave the nest.

Did you feel this way when you applied for unemployment?

I think you´re taking a lot of things forgranted.

[ edited by carnold ]
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 08:43 AM     
  So...  
 
Why doesn´t Texas tap into their 9.4 Billion dollar rainy day fund?

Oh right, because it makes sense to spend everyone elses money first, duh.
 
  by: Pyronius     05/06/2011 02:18 PM     
  For a lifetime.  
 
CArnold -

Nope, no one should be entitled to a lifetime of not providing for themselves.

I was glad that the Clinton administration was able to put limits to how long welfare recipients can receive benefits.

I have never received unemployment. I applied once (circa) 20 years ago (after a job layoff), but decided to forgo the benefits and did fine without them. I save my money for rainy days. Live below my means so I and my family can adjust for leaner times.

Many Texans do to.

I´m sure if I could do without aid... Texas will manage just fine.

After all, the states government has on many occasions told the fed to go to hell, and publicly decried that they don´t need the Fed.

Like you said the states residents paid federal taxes. It has been pointed out that the states executive branch spoke for its residents in spite of the burden on them. And in doing so, have apparently added additional burdens as a result.

If, as you insist, the White House is not providing aid to Texas for political reasons. Blame the Texas State government for creating this problem.

Perry´s talk of secession is patently UN-American and as such is, AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT in this article, harmful to those in need.

Hopefully the residents of the Great State of Texas will keep in mind these harmful effects as you have pointed out, and begin impeachment proceedings against their UN-American governor or at the very least, prevent him from being re-elected.

I take nothing for granted.

All the while, you post a SN article based on a days old G.O.P. talking point that tries to paint Obama as a horrible person and Texas as a victim.

The talking point uses a standard ploy that cares not for facts such as those I just pointed out.

As a result you have entrenched yourself in what amounts to a(nother G.O.P.) lie based on assumed victimhood, righteous indignation and a sense of entitlement. I intentionally employed rhetoric in order to bring you to this point to point out just that.

Sadly, even with proof of Perry´s misdeeds , you don´t seem to be able to concede.




 
  by: richie65x   05/06/2011 02:19 PM     
  @Carney  
 
"What if someone says, "No thanks, I don´t need welfare. I´m going to try to do this on my own." But, by some unforseen circumstance, that person happens to fall on bad times, he shouldn´t be able to receive assistance because he refused welfare in the first place?"

Except this would be like someone spending their entire career rallying against welfare system and government that provides it while never saving for a rainy day and when trouble hits you maintain your soapbox position with your hand out looking for welfare on the governments dime...

Hippocracy - this the GOP at it´s best.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   05/06/2011 05:08 PM     
  @  
 
@richie
I don´t know what to tell you. You say you disagree with what I said, and then you immediately follow up with multiple paragraphs that support it. Perhaps you´re confused. Or perhaps you´re the one pandering to the partisanship you accuse others of employing. I don´t see why politics should be involved with helping those in need. Buddah would be proud of you.

@ukcn
Hippocracy - this the GOP at it´s best.

You´re just trolling.

"Deserving = Those in a rut that need a lending hand; *temporary* assistance until they get themselves back on their feet.

Undeserving = Those that try to make a lifetime profession out of mooching off others and freeloading off the government."
(See earlier posts.)
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 05:19 PM     
  @CA  
 
I dont get how a state´s gov´t can rally AGAINST fed support for so long and just expect a handout when they are down.

I mean, if North Korea were hit with an earthquake, would you advocate sending welfare to Kim Jong Il? You sound like a ´pinko liberal

[ edited by syoware ]
 
  by: syoware   05/06/2011 05:52 PM     
  @syo  
 
“I dont get how a state´s gov´t can rally AGAINST fed support for so long and just expect a handout when they are down.”
You’re right. While we’re at it, let’s get rid of unemployment benefits. Those people should have bought a better crystal ball and known that they would have been laid off. And those hurricane Katrina victims have some nerve to expect their federal government to come to their aid in their moment of need.

“I mean, if North Korea were hit with an earthquake, would you advocate sending welfare to Kim Jong Il?”
Not to the government itself, but provide humanitarian assistance via a proxy method (UN, Red Cross, etc.)

Did we not send millions to Japan for humanitarian aid? Do we not continue to send *billions* to countries in Africa to help the destitute, sick, and malnourished?

My support for Australia when they were devastated by floods:
http://www.shortnews.com/...

My support for Japan during their crisis:
http://www.shortnews.com/...

My sympathy is reserved for those in need.
My antipathy is for the freeloaders of society.

“You sound like a ´pinko liberal”
You sound like someone I that wouldn’t want to be near when karma serves you a hot mess of payback.
 
  by: carnold     05/06/2011 06:18 PM     
  Perry is a tard..  
 
But the people of Texas shouldn´t have to suffer.. However, like I said...they have a 9.4 billion rainy day fund that they wont tap into..

Meanwhile, the Texas House Ways and Means has passed a tax break for people who want to buy yachts over a quarter a million in price.
 
  by: Pyronius     05/06/2011 08:04 PM     
  Troll  
 
This is from someone who believes GW had wooden teeth!
http://www.shortnews.com/...

caronold = troll

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

http://www.goodteeth.com/...

Clearly ignorant of the most basic facts.
 
  by: teapublican   05/06/2011 11:07 PM     
  Oh dear...  
 
Anyone who rebuts answers with more vaguely related questions must be trolling....

Or their ego is just so huge and they are living in a dream world.

Take your pick. :S
 
  by: id0pa   05/07/2011 12:38 AM     
  Sounds like the neo-conservative SS to me.  
 
suddenly socialist (SS) syndrome.

Don´t tax my yacht dude, but give me some of those sweet juicy tax dollars. Once money is in the pocket, back to hating the tax man.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   05/07/2011 01:08 AM     
  So mean  
 
I´ve been reading on this site for the last few months and I never ever thought I would make a comment in the threads. This happens to be a topic that affects me personally because I live in Texas. After reading some of these insensitive and heartless comments, I felt the need to chip in my cents.

I hope that those of you against helping suffering people will never need help. If per chance you do, I hope it’s as enthusiastically given to you as you are at giving it. I am thoroughly disgusted with what some of you have written. You offer no compassion, empathy, sympathy, or even display a shred of decency in your hateful words.

We have been fighting these fires for 5 months and the drought we’re experiencing isn’t helping matters much. Do any of you know how much of Texas has been burned? The article said 2.2 million acres but is that just a number in your head or do you have any idea how much land that is? If you could imagine all of Maryland and all of Rhode Island burnt to a crisp, that will give you some idea of how bad things have been here. Hundreds of families have lost everything. The shifting winds make it hard to predict the direction and speed of the spread.

Placing politics over decency in a topic like this is unforgivable. Whatever happened to helping your fellow man or just doing the right thing? I pity those of you that have not yet learned what it’s like to be a human being or what it is that sets us apart from other animals. You are truly sad.

Carnold, thank you for bringing attention to this and fighting for what’s right. I cannot say that I agree with everything of yours that I read, but in this instance you’re leading a cause that everyone can get behind. Everyone with a heart and ounce of compassion, that is.
 
  by: LovingLife   05/07/2011 01:45 AM     
  @  
 
@tea
Shaddup, n00b. You´re making everyone´s ghey-dar go bezerk.

@ukcn
I think LovingLife described you perfectly. There´s nothing left for me to say.

@Loving
Welcome to the neighborhood and thanks for giving the trolls the scolding their mothers forgot to give.
I totally agree. I´m an American before anything else. If someone is in dire need of help and comforting, all politics, religion, and other personal preferences should be set aside.
I´m sorry to hear that you´re personally affected by these fires. Exactly a year ago, we in Tennessee experienced our worst flood in over 100yrs. It was very surreal. You can´t imagine what it´s like to be a victim of a natural disaster unless you´ve been in one. My prayers are with you.
 
  by: carnold     05/07/2011 02:09 AM     
  Priorities  
 
Same as Bush. MIC adventures abroad, bomb the shit out of countries and then use taxpayers money to rebuild again.

The fed shouldn´t btw help Texas, because that is socialism, and socialism is bad. Especially domestically.
 
  by: Kaleid   05/07/2011 02:10 AM     
  oh man... FOR REALLL???  
 
LovingLife..
!!!!!
l o l
"Placing politics over decency in a topic like this is unforgivable. Whatever happened to helping your fellow man or just doing the right thing? I pity those of you that have not yet learned what it’s like to be a human being or what it is that sets us apart from other animals. You are truly sad."

We humans are very overindulgent. Yes.

So are lots of other organisms on this? planet.

We humans consider ourselves "higher" or "Better" than said organisms YET, IN ACTUALITY, WE´RE WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greed is not good. It´s beyond BAD.
:)


[ edited by Dr.DiMiTree ]
 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   05/07/2011 02:37 AM     
  @Kaleid  
 
I see three goats heading towards your bridge. You better get up there and see what they want.
 
  by: carnold     05/07/2011 02:37 AM     
  carnold  
 
This is where you should be against government help. You folks are self sufficient individualists aren´t you?
 
  by: Kaleid   05/07/2011 02:40 AM     
  @kaleid  
 
Didn´t I help you when I saw you holding the "Will work for food" sign?
Okay, then. Sounds like you´re being hypocritical.
 
  by: carnold     05/07/2011 02:43 AM     
  carnold  
 
Now you´re making stuff up again - but then again that is not unusual, I bet you´re a traditionalist.
 
  by: Kaleid   05/07/2011 02:45 AM     
  LovingLife.  
 
You´ve been figured out.
I wont spell it out but WOW.
just wow.

L O L

Seek more stimuli in your life.
 
  by: Dr.DiMiTree   05/07/2011 02:58 AM     
  ^^^^  
 
Texas don´t need no stinkin´ US guvment:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
 
  by: Lurker     05/07/2011 03:09 AM     
  @Lurker  
 
I hear that the main warehouse for Depends is in Texas. You should be getting concerned --- I don´t think Pampers makes a diaper big enough for your loads.
 
  by: carnold     05/07/2011 05:33 AM     
  Here we go again...  
 
I´ve said it before, and I´m saying it again...

Better be careful presenting actual facts to CArnold!!!

If the information the facts convey are at odds with, or in any way contrary to HIS version of reality, he will instantly revert to insulting you personally, in order to avoid having to confront reality.

In this way he trolls threads and tries to prevent intelligent conversation and prevent himself from admitting he could be mistaken in his opinions or perspectives.

He attempts to put others on personal defense to sideline discussing the issue-at-hand... Same tactics used by his idols: Bill O, Sean H, Glenn B and Rush L.

So the way to tell that CArnold has ´lost´ an argument is by waiting for him to be incessantly and consistently obtuse.

We are seeing it here... AGAIN.
 
  by: richie65x   05/07/2011 03:06 PM     
  Truth Hurts  
 
@carnold Confronting your lies with homophobic slurs?
 
  by: teapublican   05/09/2011 08:45 PM     
  @His Royal Ghey-ness  
 
Definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/...

Usage:
Your posts are always soooo ghey.
or...
You are so ghey for confusing that word for "gay".

You´re clearly ignorant of the most basic facts.
 
  by: carnold     05/09/2011 09:25 PM     
  Do your parents  
 
acknowledge your birthday?
 
  by: mcink2   05/09/2011 09:38 PM     
  consistently obtuse...  
 
The way to tell that CArnold has ´lost´ an argument is by waiting for him to be incessantly and consistently obtuse.
 
  by: richie65x   05/09/2011 09:39 PM     
  @  
 
@mcink
Nice hat.

@richie
I didn´t realize this was a win/lose argument.

I think Texas should receive aid.
You don´t, but you do think that you´re entitled to other people´s money via wealth redistribution. Yes, you´re a hypocrite, but that´s another discussion.

Neither of us have changed our minds on the matter, so that´s that.
 
  by: carnold     05/09/2011 09:44 PM     
  So by default...  
 
If, as you insist, federal funds being withheld were done so for political reasons then...

My only opinion is that the citizens of Texas voted (their problems) Perry in. The effects this Un-American jackass has caused the state - namely the hardships you are pointing out - wrest solely on the states Governor.

If those points have no truth to them... Then you are arguing a moot point against yourself.

If you were in Texas hoping for these funds, and came to find out that your Governors actions and attitude were responsible for them being withheld - Who would YOU hold accountable?

Who would YOU hold accountable?

(In your case, my money is on you continuing to indiscriminately blame Obama regardless - This is what you always do)

(And if you or your loved ones ARE in Texas - I hope all is well for you and yours)

********** FURTHERMORE ***********

I didn´t realize this was ´a see who can call who a hypocrite/hypocrite´ argument.

But I knew if I stuck around long enough we would all get to watch you cave under the pressure of overwhelming facts / fall apart at the seams...

You usually do. Almost like clockwork.

And when that happens, you start flinging insults as a last resort...

I don´t know about anyone else, but I find ´spitting mad´, ´flinging insults and obscenities´ to be friggin´ hilarious to watch.

It is very entertaining - watching you behave so childishly.

That is a WIN for us... So by default you loose.

YAAAY!!!
 
  by: richie65x   05/09/2011 10:12 PM     
  Did I mention names?  
 
No, but the wingnut spun on que.

Want federal aid money? Take it up with the separatist Governor.
 
  by: mcink2   05/09/2011 10:14 PM     
  @  
 
@richie
Yadah, yadah, yadah... blah, blah, blah
Nobody takes your posts to mean squat. Especially since you were busted lying about "getting your *doctorate* at a fictional college in Langley, West Virginia". You don?t have a doctorate, and there is no "Langley, West Virginia".
http://www.shortnews.com/...

That thread should bring back some great memories.
You rendered your credibility to a steamy pile, long ago.
Troll Liar = We really don?t care what you think.


@mcink
Is that hat more comfortable than your tin-foil hat? Just wondering...

[ edited by carnold ]
 
  by: carnold     05/09/2011 10:31 PM     
  Ummm NEWS FLASH...  
 
Ummm NEWS FLASH...

CINCINNATI has an entire University in it. (Can you be THAT stupid?!)

Langley has an AFB - And they use A LOT of CONTRACTORS... Including me, for a while. Projects end, move on...

Hence, "commuting between Cincinnati and Langley WV." -

Sadly, I was not able to finish up. Among other things, it gets expensive, and I have a family.

Boy oh boy, you do love to make stuff up.

And you are FAILING HARD cupcake!

"Yadah, yadah, yadah... blah, blah, blah"

LOL!!!

/did I mention ´incessantly and consistently obtuse´

Not that I needed to... It is abundantly clear.

Also
It is very entertaining - watching you behave so childishly.

That is a WIN for us... So by default you loose.

Admit it!
 
  by: richie65x   05/09/2011 10:53 PM     
  Next,  
 
he´ll say he´ll beat me up after school.
 
  by: mcink2   05/09/2011 10:54 PM     
  @  
 
@richie
"CINCINNATI has an entire University in it."
Sure does. But you never attended it, either. You worked there for about a year answering telephones, but that was it.
You tried feeding us a line of bull about how you got your *doctorate* in Langley, West Virginia. As a former resident of Virginia, I immediately saw your screw-up and called you out on it. Langley is in Virginia --- not West Virginia (a totally different state). Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of politics knows this because Langley is home to an Air Force base, and it’s also home to the CIA headquarters.

The only time Cincinnati and “school” were used in the same sentence was when Gizzle pulled your records and it showed that you took a *few* classes at your local community college (Cincinnati State Technical and Community College, to be exact). A far cry from a Doctorate, much less a Bachelor’s degree.


“Sadly, I was not able to finish up.”
You never went.
How does one go from *no* degree, to diving right into getting a doctorate? How do anyone get accepted into a doctorate program without having any previously established credentials to attest to their ability to keep up (much less comprehend) courses at such an advanced level?
Answer: This only happens in your imagination. Not in real life.

“Boy oh boy, you do love to make stuff up.”
That thread has received nearly 800 additional views since we last posted in it. Keep digging your hole. Everyone knows what you wrote because they read it.

“It is very entertaining - watching you behave so childishly.”
Glad I could entertain you. I’m enjoying watching you squirm and shovel some new manure to hide the old manure.
BTW… it’s not working. ;-)

Oh, and let’s not forget about how you claimed to be a reader of SN… long before it was even a web-site (same link). Heh. Can anyone say, “habitual liar”?

Don’t get angry with me; I didn’t tell you to write those lies. I’m just using them to explain why nobody takes what you say seriously --- we have no way of knowing if what you say is the truth, or not, because you’ve been caught blatantly telling some really huge fibs.


@mcink
Paranoid much?
You should put down the taxidermy kitty-hat and buy a thinking-cap. You can use all the help you can get.
 
  by: carnold     05/09/2011 11:31 PM     
  Correction...  
 
You worked at UCIT for about 4 1/2 years.

Since you lied about your academic qualifications, you obviously feel that having one would elevate your station in life. So, how come you didn´t pursue a degree while you were working there? Most of the colleges and universities around here give you a steep discount with the tuition if you work for them. How come you didn´t take advantage of that?
 
  by: carnold     05/10/2011 12:06 AM     
  Free Tuition  
 
Crime = WV by mistake... Correction, VA... Better.

I never said anything about school in VA - You made up a lie there.

"SN for well over 10 years (circa ´94, or ´95 I think)" Big fucking deal. I´m sure you know every date you have encountered.

Working for UC means free tuition... Didn´t pan out. Like I said, I didn´t finish. And no, I didn´t declare a major, but I had my reasons. Try college when you have a family to support. Not an easy task...

Do you want me to post my transcripts from the 90´s... You first! How much college did you manage to attend... My guess... NONE!

Why is it important to you? You cling to what you know nothing about in order to make yourself think you are something you are not. You lie to yourself.

I do have two other (Cum Laude) degrees, Associates from Cinti State. Again, I have my reasons.

Here is a link to my latest degree - Attending Cinti State in 2007 is what got my foot in the door at UC.

http://drcdev.ohiolink.edu/...

I have no reason to be dishonest. you on the other hand are so desperate to avoid having to admit your failures that you revert to trying to attack others with baseless claims.

The disgusting part is that no matter how harshly you try to paint someone who argues with you... It still does not make you right... It only makes you worse. You end up having nothing admirable to call your own. You still lose, and alienate your self at the same time.

I can see how that has left you bitter and resentful. all you have left is hate and contempt. Sad really...

String together what you want, it is hardly pertinent. And you continue to prove me right all the while...

If the information the facts convey are at odds with, or in any way contrary to YOUR version of reality, you instantly revert to insulting others in order to avoid having to confront reality.

So keep the insults coming. It only proves the point I made previously. And emphasizes how sad you must be.

Sad Clown. That´s entertainment!!!

PS. Perry is a failure for Texas.
 
  by: richie65x   05/10/2011 04:00 AM     
  @richie  
 
“I never said anything about school in VA - You made up a lie there.”
Sure you did…

“Those days back then went by so fast. From ´93 - ´01, I was working towards my doctorate, while raising 3 kids (with my beautiful wife), and commuting between Cincinnati and Langley WV.”
(Per the link in my previous post)

You live in Cincin… so what was the relevance of “Langley, WV” in that sentence, unless you were saying that’s where you were attending school? Family duties, working full time for a rail company… and you *still* managed to travel to and from Langley for your doctorate. Good thing Langley, WV was only as far away as your imagination.

“Working for UC means free tuition... Didn´t pan out.”
Wow. Free tuition… and you didn’t bother taking advantage of it. You had a grand opportunity to do something great with yourself (all expenses paid, at that), but instead you wasted it. And you think you’re entitled to what others *worked* for when you couldn’t muster the discipline or motivation to earn it on your own? Puh-leeze. That’s the definition of a lazy freeloader. If I had a golden ticket like that, I would have jumped on it and *made* it work out.

“Do you want me to post my transcripts from the 90´s…”
There are none.

“How much college did you manage to attend…”
I dropped out of school in the first grade. I found that when I slept on my books, the knowledge would be transferred to me through osmosis. Given my spectacular gift, school was redundant and unnecessary.

“I do have two other (Cum Laude) degrees, Associates from Cinti State.”
I only see one other. Looks like you were trying to become a nutritionist at one time. Let me guess… “Didn’t pan out.” Does *anything* pan out for you?

“I have no reason to be dishonest.”
Then, don’t. Seriously. Nobody likes a BSer.

“The disgusting part is that no matter how harshly you try to paint someone who argues with you...”
Richie, you painted yourself. You’re the one that said all these untruthful things --- not me. And when you’re pushed to be accountable for your own words, you try to play the victim card and whine about how everyone is being rough and mean. You’re 45 years old. Suck it up and quit being a pansy. Nobody is going to feel bad for you because you’re getting your lies shoved back into your face. You shouldn’t have told your tall tales in the first place.

Richie, I’m really not trying to be mean. You’re just one of those people that can only be taken in small samples. I tried to tie up our discussion with a benign, “we can’t agree so that’s that”. But you just had to get in my space. Being the brutally honest straight talker that I am, I simply told you I didn’t care to hear it and told you exactly why. And, once more, your false sense of entitlement emerges: You feel you’re entitled to dishing out the barbs, but when you get them full force and in your face (via your own dishonest words, at that), you get all wounded and call foul.

PS -- Your lies and BS aren´t "panning out" either.

[ edited by carnold ]
 
  by: carnold     05/10/2011 06:12 AM     
  Ya ever see  
 
how fast a wingnut spins when hit by a blast from an air compressor? Kinda like a paint roller and a car wash wand. When they unravel they just explode.
 
  by: mcink2   05/10/2011 06:57 AM     
  @Cat As a Hat  
 
I have a buddy that loves the Detroit Redwings. His license plate even says "wing nut". I´ll have to ask him how fast he spins.
 
  by: carnold     05/10/2011 07:10 AM     
  Some people...  
 
Work out of state... Many people refer to that as a commute.

Cinti to Langley... that is a commute. Well that is what I call a commute.

I know you are not trying to be mean. You are trying to be right about a political story and you got your ass handed to you... So you revert to insults etc.

You rely on this method as your last resort because you IMAGINE that doing so will somehow discredit your detractors and you will then not feel defeated.

In this thread, your argument was proven meaningless and as soon as that became apparent, you became obtuse.

The entire sequence of events is here for all to see.

That I am the one who pointed it out, is why you are focusing your temper tantrum on me.

It makes no difference to me what your opinion of me is... You are incorrect in your assessment of me... And even on that, you are incapable of admitting that you are wrong.

Instead you dwell on conjecture. If you were to do otherwise, most of your world would collapse.

your delusion feeds your insecurities and you are so entrenched in them that you may never be able to process that you have this affliction.

Look at this thread and watch for the transition your self


[ edited by richie65x ]
 
  by: richie65x   05/10/2011 12:25 PM     
  @richie  
 
“…you are focusing your temper tantrum on me.”
Temper tantrum? C’mon, Richie…
Anyone can see that I’m making good sport out of this sidebar conversation and having a lot of fun with it. Surely, you must find this fun, too; otherwise you wouldn’t keep coming back.

“You are trying to be right about a political story and you got your ass handed to you...”
I am right. Texas should receive aid. End of story.

“Work out of state...”
Put down the shovel and quit digging a deeper hole. You’ve been busted, so quit making matters worse with more lies.
Per your own words:
“From ´93 - ´01, I was working towards my doctorate…”

That was 8 years of school. *Eight* years!
2yrs = Associate
4yrs = Bachelors
8yrs = Masters
10-16 = Doctorate/PhD

Those lengths are average. You can reduce the amount of time by taking on additional courses; it’s all a matter of what you think you’re capable of handling.

So, you expect us to believe that you went to school for *8* years… and have nothing at all to show for it? Nothing at all? I would expect a Masters, or at the *very* least a Bachelors. But, alas, you went to a community college and got a 2yr Associates in nutrition and again a few years later to get a 2yr degree to install software and create e-mail accounts. What happened to those other 8 yrs?
And why were you commuting for work when your rail job was in Columbus?

Your story has more holes than a screen door but, according to you, I’m the “delusional” one.

If you feel the need to lie about your life, it must mean that you’re unhappy with it and you regret having wasted away your prime. Instead of lying about your life, why not get out there and do something to make it great? No, it’s not going to be easy, but I’ll bet it’ll be a lot easier than kicking yourself for the rest of your life for not trying.

Richie, just stop the BS… m’kay? As you’ve unfortunately found out, it will only serve to crush your credibility and good standing. And it gives me more ammo to use against you.
 
  by: carnold     05/10/2011 05:47 PM     
  Ammo  
 
You
Are
Shooting
Blanks
At
What
You
Imagine
Is
A
Target

You
Are
Clueless...

And I won´t tell you why I say that.

I will say that what I have to show for the efforts I put forward in my life are not there for you to discover.

I enjoy what I do and I do it for my family.

You are relying on conjecture to compensate for your own misery.

I´m sure you have plenty to compensate for.

Your perspective about ´Texas Aid´ crumbled, and you are trying to blame me for it, using a string of arbitrary bits that have no meaning and are in no way connected to your flawed argument(s).

You are scapegoating your failure... You always do!

Even if your version of MY LIFE had merit. It is still meaningless. You can use it all you want to but it wont give you back what your poverty stricken objectivity has lost for you...

The only thing I aimed to prove here was this...

==================
If the information the facts convey are at odds with, or in any way contrary to HIS version of reality, he will instantly revert to insulting you personally, in order to avoid having to confront reality.

In this way he trolls threads and tries to prevent intelligent conversation and prevent himself from admitting he could be mistaken in his opinions or perspectives.

He attempts to put others on personal defense to sideline discussing the issue-at-hand... Same tactics used by his idols: Bill O, Sean H, Glenn B and Rush L.

So the way to tell that CArnold has ´lost´ an argument is by waiting for him to be incessantly and consistently obtuse.
==================

With your help... I have proven it many times over.

Weather you think I´m full of shit or not does not change this...

In this very thread carnold demonstrated that he is something worse than full of shit.

We all thank you for the demonstration. Even if was nothing more than what we expected from you.
 
  by: richie65x   05/10/2011 07:27 PM     
  @richie  
 
Just ignore the little boy CArnold. He´s having trouble moving up from 1st grade.
 
  by: Lurker     05/10/2011 07:42 PM     
  Oh my! All that profanity!  
 
Calm down, richie. No need to get testy. I’m just trying to get a better understanding of you and why you have this incessant need or desire to continuously make up stories that aren’t true and lie. I’m here to help you, Richie. I want you to see that you will be judged by your character --- not by the fake degree you claim to have, or by the other grandiose stories you enjoy weaving.

Why do you feel entitled to the belongings and wealth that other people have *earned*? You obviously haven’t put much effort towards getting ahead in life, yet you feel that people that bust their humps to become successful *owe* you something. Why? Help me understand your way of thinking so that I can help you towards the light. Why do you think that people who *did* put forth tremendous effort owe compensation to people that squander their future and their life? I mean, *free tuition*. How does someone let that slide by?

Why do you avoid my questions? Does it pain you to see the façade you built crumble right in front of you? Would I be doing you any favors by letting you perpetuate the lie you wanted us to believe? No. That would have been a great disservice to you. By allowing you to live in your fantasy world by way of your alter ego, you would cease to acknowledge the flaws and imperfections of your real world. As we all know, the only way to fix something is to, first, acknowledge that it’s broken. Are you ready to take that step, Richie? Aren’t you tired of being frowned upon as, “That crazy unhinged old dude” or “The 45 yr old doing a job that is usually done by college freshmen.”? Aren’t you tired of being regarded as a loser? An outcast? Did you know that incompetent people don’t realize that they’re incompetent? Think about that.

I can show you the way, but it’s up to you to take the steps in that direction. Don’t worry… we’ll start off with the small stuff and gradually work our way up to the more challenging steps. Here’s what I want you to work on this week:
Don’t lie.

If you feel the need to lie, try to think of how humiliating and embarrassing it would be for me to call you out on it. Don’t try to justify the lie with, “I’ll never get caught in this lie.” I want to believe and *know* you’ll be caught and the retribution I will dish out will be heinous.
Try doing this --- even in your daily interactions with other people. When you feel like telling a lie, imagine that I’m listening in and can hear everything. Then ask yourself, “How relentless would carnold’s punishment be if he hear me tell this lie?”
Try this for a week. We’ll review your progress in one week from today. I’m sure you’ll do well.
 
  by: carnold     05/10/2011 08:03 PM     
  @Lurker  
 
Ahhhh… I’m glad you’re here.
I was trying to motivate Richie into doing something with his life. Perhaps you could give him some pointers on what to do.

Lurker is somewhat of a legend. Not only is he the oldest fossil ever discovered, but he’s an inventor, too.
Did you know Lurker invented wrinkles? Yep. It’s true. He’s so old, he even invented dirt. Yes sirrrreeeee, he’s been alive so long, he remember when the Grand Canyon was just a ditch.
 
  by: carnold     05/10/2011 08:10 PM     
  By a show of hands...  
 
Who could read carnolds last post without thinking he was writing his own biography. Dragnet style at that.

Aside from opining that Perry is un-american and may have put Texas in jeopardy.

I already proved the other point I was trying to make. You continue to drive it home.

Drive on!
 
  by: richie65x   05/10/2011 08:13 PM     
 
 
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