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08/10/2011 02:12 AM ID: 90422 Permalink   

Al Gore Angrily Denounces Climate Change Deniers


Former Vice President Al Gore didn´t keep his feelings to himself, disputing claims that global warming isn´t happening at a speech for the Aspen Institute last week. Gore was apparently unaware that his comments were being streamed online.

"They pay pseudo-scientists to pretend to be scientists to put out the message: ´This climate thing, it´s nonsense. Man-made C02 doesn´t trap heat. It may be volcanoes.´ Bullshit!" Gore said. "´It may be sunspots.´ Bullshit!"

"´It´s not getting warmer.´ Bullshit!" Gore said there is no "shared reality" on climate change any more, adding, "It´s no longer acceptable in mixed company, meaning bipartisan company, to use the goddamn word climate."

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Go, Big Al!!!!
  by: Lurker     08/10/2011 03:17 AM     
This is how politicians should always talk. This unspoken rule they have of always having a measured, careful response is just a way of getting them on the news. CLIMATE CHANGE DENIAL *IS* BULLSHIT! and Al Gore is right to say so.
  by: VermiciousG     08/10/2011 03:36 AM     
I just finished a conversation with a guy who adamantly believes that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Talking to him about Neanderthals was an exorcise in futility.
  by: VermiciousG     08/10/2011 03:43 AM     
  Just wait till we catch Manbearpig.  
Then you´ll see!
  by: jenkie     08/10/2011 03:46 AM     
  and history proves te climit changes all the time  
the sun is getting hotter, the moon moves 1-1/2 inches away from the earth every year. fact! in 71 years it has moved over 9 feet further away from the earth exerting less pull on the oceans which are a major weather cause! another facy publiched is al gore produces 20 times more co2 then the avg house hold. when he opens his mouth even more hot air exits! just think how much better off the world would be if al gore just shut up!
  by: shannon853   08/10/2011 03:58 AM     
And if you´d crack ANOTHER book (not written by glenn beck) you´d probably find out that the sun has been declining in temperature for 3 years. Quoting OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD data is the mark of someone who´s allowed their dogma to run their lives.
  by: VermiciousG     08/10/2011 04:38 AM     
  The CO2 Mistake  
Here is what the lazy copy and paste, fear mongering news editors and so called journalists are not engaging in:
-Obama didn’t mention the “crisis” in his state of the union address last Feb. in the 25th year of climate crisis warnings.
-If there really are thousands of consensus climate change scientists, how do they manage to outnumber the protesters and why do we not see the scientists marching?
-Climate Change wasn’t sustainability; it was the study of the effects of Human CO2 on planetary temperatures. Studying the effects of something that hasn’t happened, yet is assumed wasn’t science. It was a lab coat consultants dream.
-If consensus is defined as thousands of scientists all having different and unique conclusions, that would make it disco science. Every scientist and every scientific organization has a special definition of climate crisis. Can you say Goose-stepping feeding frenzy?
-The scientists didn’t lie when they said it was real since studying worst case scenarios is not a crime.
-If handing over the management of the temperature of the planet to carbon trading stock markets, giant energy corporations and politicians is responsible environmentalism, count us out.
-How much longer can we tell children THE END IS NEAR for them and in the form of a climate crisis?
-Only a comet hit could be worse than the scientist’s “catastrophic” predictions a climate in crisis. NOTHING could be worse than a CO2 climate crisis, NOTHING!
-If you still believe in CO2 climate crisis, get a sign that says THE END IS NEAR, start marching and ACT like it’s the crisis you say it is. Until then nobody is regarding this as a crisis.
-The new denier is anyone who still believes voters will now vote YES to taxing the air to make the weather colder.
-Climate change has done to progressive efforts and respect for social advancements what nasty priests did for religion. We need to back off of the CO2 mistake soon before it becomes OUR Iraq War of lies and fear mongering.
We have been dooped and you are not the only one contacting prosecutors to have criminal charges laid members of the media and science communities for leading the world to another false war, but this time against climate variation itself. This madness wasn’t about change; it was about control of the powers of the cosmos. History is both cursing and laughing leaving it under the title of Omen Worship.
  by: mememine69   08/10/2011 05:21 AM     
  ^^^^^ one word  
  by: VermiciousG     08/10/2011 05:39 AM     
Are you on some sort of one-man quest to copypasta *your* bullshit all over the internet?

And there are plenty more if you Google some of your pet phrases, like "lab coat consultant?s wet dream" or "saintly scientists."

I mean, at least come up with some different user names if you?re going to try this little one-man campaign to get people to stop believing in anthropogenic climate change. Might I suggest "sockpuppetarmy"?

[ edited by Ben_Reilly ]
  by: Ben_Reilly     08/10/2011 12:35 PM     
I don´t know why anyone takes any notice of the dick head Al, who is a complete twit and only interested in lining his own pocket.
  by: mbartnz   08/10/2011 12:40 PM     
  Jail Time is Coming  
I´m not the only former believer urging prosecutors to lay
criminal chargers to the leading scientists and news editors for knowingly
inciting this needless panic of CO2 climate crisis. Besides condemning billions
of children to a CO2 death, the media
failed in informing us of how the UN had allowed carbon trading markets that
were run by corporations and politicians, to trump 3rd world fresh water
relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 25 years of
climate CONTROL rather than the obviously needed POPULATION control. Climate
Change wasn’t sustainability. It was a death threat and a criminal

U.S. Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington,DC 20530-0001

By Phone: Department of Justice Main Switchboard

Office of the Attorney General Public Comment Line

  by: mememine69   08/10/2011 01:54 PM     
  Vote Denier, Vote Ron Paul  
Vote for Ron Paul, a glowbull dooming denier.Stop this madness of the climate blame mistake.
  by: mememine69   08/10/2011 01:58 PM     
  @ jeinke and meme  
Jenkie - you are just as rediculous as carnold.

Meme - you say the same stupid phrases over and over again, tis you who are the copypaste propaganda producing fringer who discraces to the plite of humanity.
  by: incubusphan   08/10/2011 07:28 PM     
Fu*ck Ron Paul. He´s so close to dying of old age anyway.
He´s not your savior, neither is Rand.
  by: Lurker     08/10/2011 07:47 PM     
Simmer lurker, simmer dow nah.
  by: incubusphan   08/10/2011 08:45 PM     
Great posts. Keep ´em coming. You´ve got the Goremons all stirred up. Heh. I´m loving it.

"He´s so close to dying of old age anyway."
This is coming from the oldest fossil on earth? Heh.

Lurker is so old, he stays away from organic foods. He says he needs all the preservatives he can get.

I´m not kidding, folks.
Lurker is SOOOOOO old, when he lights the candles on his birthday cake, everyone forms a circle around it and starts singing Kumbaya.
  by: carnold     08/10/2011 11:46 PM     
  Grow up Arnie.  
  by: incubusphan   08/11/2011 12:45 AM     
  From 02 November 1922...  
Hard to really say if the current warming trend is natural or man made...
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some
places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to
the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical
change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the
Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been
met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100
meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have
been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while
at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while
vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far
north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

"I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922.
As reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 88 years ago!"
  by: richie65x   08/11/2011 02:51 AM     
  Now now, you guys  
If you keep raggin´on ol´ Al, he is liable to take his internet and go home.
  by: OLD MAN   08/11/2011 05:07 PM     
  Al Gore at Harvard  
What has ruffled Gore´s feathers is the decline in the number of people who agree with him on this issue.

Gore´s movie "An Inconvenient Truth" was reviewed in England and their court has issued an order that if it is shown in schools that the instructor is to inform the class of the nine scientific errors.

As more people learn about this, less believe in man-made climate change.

I will say this about Al Gore, he knows how to make money as shown by his tax records. He has a net worth more than 100 million.

But when it comes to science, he is a light weight about the subject, as shown by his grade of "D" in Natural Science.

He is turning into a frustrated, lonely old man that less and less people are willing to give him the time of day.

[ edited by Mr.Science ]
  by: Mr.Science   08/11/2011 11:13 PM     
  @ comment #3  
But, but, but the Earth MAY be only 6000 years old. Before that, the Neanderthals called it "Ühg!"
  by: womenareviolent     08/12/2011 01:09 AM  
so those re the most glaring of the 9 objections:

"•Mr Gore´s assertion that a sea-level rise of up to 20 feet would be caused by melting of ice ... "but only after, and over, millennia".

•Mr Gore´s assertion that the disappearance of snow on Mount Kilimanjaro in East Africa was expressly attributable to global warming - the court heard the scientific consensus was that it cannot be established the snow recession is mainly attributable to human-induced climate change.

•Mr Gore´s reference to a new scientific study showing that, for the first time, polar bears had actually drowned "swimming long distances ... is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."

So this is it? This is your objections?
  by: kmazzawi     08/12/2011 03:49 PM     
Gees, Thank goodness he didn´t peek into our hidden den of actually relevant stuff. He might have found that 96.3% of climate scientists voted for Al Gore for no apparent reason. Almost as if they had some shared concern or something. Hell, he might have figured out that we had a lot of snow last winter. Parish the thought.
  by: VermiciousG     08/13/2011 03:23 AM     
I would be pissed too if I stood to lose millions. In reality more people could gives a rats ass as to what Al Gore says.

QUOTE from Al Gore, the man awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his work to combat "global warming", "climate change", "global climate disruption", and famous for giving hysterical warnings about the oceans rising and the end of the world as we know it because of human fossil fuel use, apparently received a "D" in Natural Science during his time at Harvard.

Gore’s transcript documents that during his sophomore year at Harvard he earned a "D" in Natural Sciences 6 (Man’s Place in Nature). Also, as a senior at Harvard, he earned a C-plus in Natural Sciences

So this is the expert who´s words ring truth with some people. How sad is that?
  by: hellblazer     08/13/2011 04:40 AM     
Quote:Fu*ck Ron Paul. He´s so close to dying of old age anyway.
He´s not your savior, neither is Rand.

Coming from someone who believes Obama is,there are a lot of people that will find it extremely difficult to take you serious.. ROFLMAO.
  by: hellblazer     08/13/2011 04:43 AM     
Richiex just schooled me on what you did there in your "Wow" comment. He called it "ABUSIVE AD HOMINEM". Here´s a wiki. read up.
  by: VermiciousG     08/13/2011 05:06 AM     
Call it what you will.. Spin it anyway you want.
What I stated to the best of my knowledge is facts about Al Gore.

If you think his grades are irrelevant and have no bearing on his reputation then so be it. If you think he doesn´t stand to lose millions I don´t care.

Seeing how you supplied me with a link, You may find these links interesting
And here is another.

The way I see it, we have a guy pushing global warming caused by fossil fuel who travels in his Leer Jet to an airport, then is picked up and followed by a horde of Hummers who then park in a parking lot with the air running and wait while he charges 20 grand or so to do a talk about climate change to a bunch of College Students. He gets back into the Hummer then flies back to his home which uses anywhere from 12 to 20 times in one month what the national average of homes in the US use in a year. I don´t know about you but I find it hard to take him serious. Surely if he practiced what he preached more people would be apt to take him serious.

Truth is I don´t buy into a single word he says. Nor do I believe it is man changing the climate.

So with that said, as far as I know it is still a free country so if you want to believe Al is right, go ahead. And if you think what I said should be labeled as " ABUSIVE AD HOMINEM" then so be it. I don´t care what you call it or how you look at it, I´m surely not in this world to meet up to your expectations nor are you here to meet mine. Have a nice day and I mean that!
  by: hellblazer     08/13/2011 06:07 AM     
I ain´t got the time to read all tht.

Einstein flunked out of high school. touché.
  by: VermiciousG     08/13/2011 06:12 AM     
Quote:I ain´t got the time to read all tht. Einstein flunked out of high school. touché.

Let me give you the short version.
If you don´t want to take the time to back what you said NP!!! I don´t care what you think!
  by: hellblazer     08/13/2011 06:50 AM     
Careful you are coming across as a dick head. You are quite happy to try and shoot someone down in flames but aren´t prepared to counter with an argument what someone else says because you reckon you haven´t got time to read the post he made.
Admit it Al Gore is a two faced dick head.
  by: mbartnz   08/13/2011 08:54 AM     
  @HB & mbartnz  
Ok guys look, we´re all getting kind of free and easy with the name calling. I´ve been doing it a lot lately too. All I was trying to point out is that Al Gore´s science grade doesn´t mean anything. I dropped out of computer math in high school and now almost 30 years later I´m a programmer.
  by: VermiciousG     08/13/2011 07:03 PM     
I had an English teacher in high school. She was pro grammar.
  by: womenareviolent     08/14/2011 01:49 AM     
  Al Gore does not do the science  
... he spreads the message. I don´t know why people insist on acting like Gore made this stuff up from whole cloth; he based his work on the findings of hundreds of scientists.

As far as its accuracy, well:

"The majority of the film, covering issues like Himalayan Glaciers, Greenland and Antarctica losing ice, the severity of hurricanes and other weather phenomena, was accurate and represented the science as it stood. Since the release of the film, considerably more evidence has been found in support of the science and projections in the film.

One claim was in error, as was one attribution of a graph. The error was in the claim that climate change had caused the shrinking of Mount Kilimanjaro, although the evidence that the shrinkage was most likely caused by deforestation did not appear until after the film was made. The error of attribution was in reference to a graph of temperature and attributes it mistakenly to a Dr. Thompson, when it was actually a combination of Mann’s hockey stick and CRU surface temperature data.

The Legal Case
The film is also subject to attack on the grounds that Al Gore was prosecuted in the UK and a judge found many errors in the film. This is untrue.

The case, heard in the civil court, was brought by a school governor against the Secretary of State for Education, in an attempt to prevent the film being distributed to schools. Mr. Justice Burton, in his judgement, ordered that teaching notes accompanying the film should be modified to clarify the speculative (and occasionally hyperbolic) presentation of some issues."

Also quote-worthy from that site:

"Scientific skepticism is healthy. Scientists should always challenge themselves to improve their understanding. Yet this isn´t what happens with climate change denial. Skeptics vigorously criticise any evidence that supports man-made global warming and yet embrace any argument, op-ed, blog or study that refutes global warming."
  by: Ben_Reilly     08/14/2011 02:24 AM     
The important word is "trend." Clearly 1922 was a warm year and people then saw what the climatic disruption caused. Following years were not so warm, apparently.

Why does it matter if the warming is natural? Should we accept a mass extinction if some people decide it´s natural?
  by: H. W. Hutchins   08/14/2011 02:29 AM     
Antarctica is not loosing ice. It has lost ice on one side but actually gained some on the other creating a net gain.. We do hear though that the Arctic is loosing ice on the Greenland side but we never hear about the loss of ice on the other side of it. So is it doing the same as the Antarctic and does it possibly have something to do with the shifting of the magnetic poles?
  by: mbartnz   08/14/2011 03:03 AM     
skepticalscience replies:

"Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.

In glaciology and particularly with respect to Antarctic ice, not all things are created equal. Let us consider the following differences. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass itself through snowfall. This land ice therefore is actually stored ocean water that once fell as precipitation. Sea ice in Antarctica is quite different as it is generally considered to be ice which forms in salt water primarily during the winter months."

Hey, are you a Kiwi?
  by: Ben_Reilly     08/14/2011 04:28 AM     
lol. Face, meet Palm.
  by: VermiciousG     08/14/2011 04:30 AM     
Interesting but as Greenland in the past has been relatively ice free I am not going to get my knickers in a twist especially when that two faced git Al has anything to do with it.
While I completely agree that we should reduce our pollution as much as possible it is really the population growth which is really doing the damage and there doesn´t appear to be any acceptable way of dealing with that but as nature tends to have a way of balancing things out I am sure something will appear to drastically reduce the population.
One thing that gets me is some of the greens I know that are anything but green when you truly look at their lives.
  by: mbartnz   08/14/2011 05:22 AM     
  Greenland has been relatively ice free?  
When? Seriously When? In what creationist fable has Greenland been I ce Free? Seriously, When?
  by: VermiciousG     08/14/2011 07:57 AM     
I think it was around the 1300´s.
I did say relatively ice free but you may have a problem reading.
They have found evidence of farming and other things to indicate so. May be you need to get off your high horse.
  by: mbartnz   08/14/2011 09:03 AM     
  @H. W. Hutchins  
Don’t get me wrong… I would opine that these cycles are being thrown WAY out of their normal / expected variances because of what is happening in the atmosphere at the hands of humans.

It is a cycle from all I have read. But…

There is something fundamentally flawed in expecting that there would be no ill effects seen from extracting stored energy (oil, coal etc.) and converting it to heat… Even the lowest level of understanding Einsteinian Relativity as it relates to energy conversion (E=MC^2) is enough to prove that digging it up and burning it is going to have consequences.

Though whether or not we humans can control this cycle seems (IMO) somewhat arrogant. And, trying to do something now, to fix a problem that has been building up ever since mass oil and coal extraction has been the norm, seems rather futile at this point.

I realize that my perspective is at least somewhat nihilistic, but hopefully not overly contrite – Perhaps I have read too much Vonnegut… “So it goes”

I concede that we are foolish to do nothing about this problem. I just have to add that those who participate in a ‘solution’ should also acknowledge a that certain level of arrogance and futility are also at play.

I do what I can in trying to alleviate the effects of the mistakes our race has made in this regard... Ride my bike to work (weather permitting) and we garden most of the produce we need for the year (canning and freezing) for the exact purpose of not wanting to add more to the dilemma than what we cant avoid.

And so I have to ask how many of those who really are worried about ´Global Warming´ and maintain a vociferous attitude standing against it are actually doing anything about it.

Dose Gore have a vegetable garden? When was the last time he got on a bike?

To say the least he would probably never acknowledge any aspect of arrogance and futility. He is making money off of this problem, so why would he introduce such concepts into his rhetoric.

[ edited by richie65x ]
  by: richie65x   08/14/2011 10:42 AM     
What are you trying to get at?

Greenland is "relatively ice free"?

That land mass is the second largest ice sheet in the world after Antarctica... 80% of that body is covered in ice...

You "think it was around the 1300´s"?
What about the 1300´s... Greenlands ice sheet is over 100,000 years old.

If the current warming trend continues and the Greenland ice sheet disappears (estimated to occur over the next few centuries at this rate) a significant amount of water will be realized as the worlds shorelines are swallowed up by the sea.

What are you getting at?
  by: richie65x   08/14/2011 10:58 AM     
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