Now all American males get a chance to do what Harvey Keitel and Ewan McGregor are famous for -- drop their pants for the cameras.
The creators of the popular "Girls Gone Wild" video series introduce "Guys Gone Wild" July 13.
"It was about seeing something different for a different audience," said Bill Horn, spokesman for Mantra Entertainment. "We took the mirror image of what we had been doing with "Girls Gone Wild."
It is expected to appeal to women and gay men.
Three titles will be available: "Guys Gone Wild," "Guys Gone Wild: Spring Break" and "Guys Gone Wild: Frat Boys." All star young guys who let it all hang out, at one point bouncing naked on their hotel beds while tossing a football around.
Why should it not have made it to market? How is GGW 'unethical'? Who cares if some girls want to flash their boobs? Why does nudity offend you so much?
Clearly people like seeing naked or semi-naked people, or have you not noticed what the primary use for the internet seems to be these days?
I never said I wasnt, that is merely my opinion, and I have the freedom to state it as much as I like.
There is more than prudishness behind it though. GGW is exploitation, but its exploitation that sometime down the track many participants may wish fervently that they hadnt engaged in. For example, those who find themselves running for offices, or becoming famous for any number of reasons. Of course, it may not come back and bite them, but it just as likely could.
If you were a girl, would you like your lecherous boss watching video of you flashing and cavorting?
Anyway, this is just one of those issues where if your view is one way, it is not compatible with views of the other way, they are mutually exclusive.
In the end, it is up to people how they act, and what they do with their lives, unfortunately, many people dont realise that once you make your bed, you have lay in it for the rest of your life.
"If you were a girl, would you like your lecherous boss watching video of you flashing and cavorting?"
Well I doubt I would choose to behave like that. I have never flashed my penis at a camera and then signed a release giving permission for the image to be published. If girls choose to do this then it is their choice, and it is the freedom of movie makers to make such films.
Despite your new post I don't understand how you believe that GGW is exploitation or why the male version should never have made it to the market. There is a market for this stuff and that is why it exists.
Anyone who decides to show their naked body to a film maker and then sign a release deserves everything they get.
Oh, I just believe it is morally wrong to exploit people who dont know any better.
It's kind of like wanting to protect people from themselves, from mistakes that may have a huge impact on their lives.
I feel the same about trying to ensure that people use condoms - I just don't subscribe to the notion that "people who do xxxxxxxxx deserve everything they get".
A hot girl flashes her tits on film. It happens every day without the dire consequences you imply. What you want to do, ban people from making videos like GGW? Do that and we might just move to China.
If someone decides to 'get wild' and flash themselves for the camera and sign a release form (and possibly get paid). Then it is a legit business deal. If said persons cannot/does not see the possible ramifications that this could cause then it is not the other parties fault.
This is called taking personal responsibility for your actions in the real world. Maybe before they 'flash' themselves they should do some research into how this could affect their lives down the road. If they neglect to do this, then how is it anyone elses fault.
Those who think this is a moral issue, wrong, etc are usually saying such things because they are:
a: liberal b: prudish c: well meaning, but misguided (see also liberal) d: all of the above
If you are not sure you fit into the above catagory, then ask yourself if the lady who drank the infamous cup of hot coffee at McDonalds and sued for burns deserves all the money she won because she didn't know that a cup of coffee would be served hot.
Conservative - not Liberal. I see myself as a moderate, and not once have I stated that my personal opinions should dictate public policy.
I do however think that the makers of GGW are disgusting and immoral, and as such, the film should not have been produced, this is just another case of exploitation.
To say that exploitation is okay, just because you like looking at girls tits is hypocritical to say the least.
>Conservative - not Liberal. I see >myself as a moderate, and not once >have I stated that my personal >opinions should dictate public >policy.
No, you are not forcing your opinion. That is true. I never stated that. I stated that it is a liberal view to think these guys are immoral for allowing these girls/guys to participate on these videos. It has nothing to do with morals, it has to do with business and money. If these guys were not making a dime on this, do you think they would care either way about making these videos ?
>I do however think that the makers of >GGW are disgusting and immoral, and >as such, the film should not have >been produced, this is just another >case of exploitation.
exploitation ? how so. The girls and guys want to do it and some are paid. They sign a legal waiver to allow this to happen. This is all legal and makes them a nice profit and I am sure the girls and guys are happy to be in the video. Everyone wins. Why is there a problem with this ? Why is this immoral ? Again, it is just a Liberal way of thinking (the 'I want to save the world from evil doers and exploiters' complex).
>To say that exploitation is okay, >just because you like looking at >girls tits is hypocritical to say the >least.
I never stated I liked looking at tits, BUT since your brought it up. Hell yes I do :)
I am only defending their position because they are in this because it is a profitable venture that is making money legally. I applaud them for making more videos (guys and girls now). If only I had thought of it first, then I would be the one making the videos. It's called freedom, move to China if you don't like it.
Again, I also never said exploitation is ok. I do not see where 100s of girls and guys enter a legitimate simple business contract and EVERY single one of them is being exploited (cause ALL of them over the years can't be smart enough to see the conciquences of this action). Can you truly believe that all of these people don't know what they are getting into ? Is the waiver THAT hard to understand ? Hardly. They know !!! EVEN if they don't know, then that takes us back to my previous posting of 'Personal Responsibility'. Never sign something you are not totally aware of. Do you sign any legal docs or waivers and not know what is involved ?
You will never convince me that, quite apart from what the participants feel, the makers of these films are not exploiting them.
It may make money, it may be good business sense, but that doesnt make it ethical or moral. Thats a poor way to justify something.
Yes it does come down to personal responsibility on one side of the equation. I agree. They signed the contracts, they agreed and accepted payment so they must take responsibility for their actions.
That, however, does not diminish the responsibility of the makers for exploiting a demographic well known to make bad decisions and regret them later.
You're still making the confusion between liberal and conservative.
People like you are so tedious. I don't know why someone was accusing you of being liberal, I think it was simply because people in America have been programmed to see this as an insult. Either way your view point on this situation doesn't make any sense. All over the world girls get drunk and flash their tits. My sister-in-law’s slutty friend did it the other day to get into a club for free. Young girls who do this are rightfully proud of their bodies and many are exhibitionists who get a kick out of exposing themselves. All the GGW crew do is go to places like Mardi Gras and similar and video what goes on. Then they approach the girls and ask them for written permission to use their image in a video.
The problem with your point of view, to which you are of course entitled, is that you are implying that there is some exploitation here. I just don’t see it. I refuse to believe that there are hundreds of girls sitting at home rocking back and forth crying, ruing the day they ever got their tits on camera while out with their friends. Sure, some may think that retrospectively they made a bad judgment call, but I just don’t get your ridiculously strong overreaction to the whole thing labeling the film producers like they were some of Satan’s own army of evildoers. I just think you and people like you need to loosen up. Why not get all mad about entire countries that are exploited by corporate America in exchange for cheap (slave) labor and or merchandise.
When did ethics and morals become requirements for business ? Should they be ? I would like to think so, but look at some of the top corporations in the country. They commit real crimes and get away with it everyday.
On the topic of GGW. Where is this unethical ? I cannot understand why anyone would think a legitimate legal contract between 2 parties (where everyone is happy and everything is spelled out in black and white) is unethical. IMHO, If you can't understand the waiver, why are you signing it anyways.
again, liberalism at its finest to think this is an issue of morality when it is clearly a business and personal responsibility issue.
I am not trying to convert anyone to anyway of thinking, I am mearly trying to bring this discussion into focus of what the real issue is, personal responsibility, and not ethics by any stretch of the imagination. What is being called 'unethical' is really just legitimate business.
why has SN become a hotbed of liberalism lately :(
lauriesman, I think what you're implying but afraid to come right out and say is that girls (or at least younger ones) are dumb.
While I have seen a lot of evidence to support that, even the dumbest teenage girl isn't completely retarded, she is capable of taking care of herself.
Anyway, this has to be the worst business venture I've ever seen. That football quote will haunt me for the rest of my days...
Look, will you stop calling me an effing liberalist alright? I dont subscribe to any particular political views, and resent being stereotyped.
Now, let me explain. I, as person, (ill take this slowly so it doesnt slip by your struggling mind), find it unethical (that is, lacking in ethics) and immoral (lacking in morals) when any business (not just this one) takes advantage of a demographic (regardless of whether that demographic agrees or does not agree to take part) for their own gain (it may be good business, that doesnt make it 'right').
You see, it comes down to the fact that I hold humanity to a much higher standard than you. I personally abhor that we prey on each other and the vulnerable, or weak, or foolish like a pack of hyenas.
Just because some practice is common doesnt mean its acceptable of us and we shouldnt strive for better.
>Look, will you stop calling me an >effing liberalist alright? I dont >subscribe to any particular political >views, and resent being stereotyped.
You are doing everything a typical liberal in America does. Read all of your posts slowly. I never directed a post originaly at you. I mearly posted my opinion and you went on the defensive (like all liberals generally do). Your being stereotyped because of your views in your posting. I will stop calling your view liberal when they are NOT liberal. I would probably be stereotyped as fairly conservative. why should I take offense in that ? Why are you upset with being labeled by that which you are representing in your posts.
>Now, let me explain. I, as person, >(ill take this slowly so it doesnt >slip by your struggling mind)
very professional way to get your point accross. Start insulting people.
>, find it unethical (that is, lacking >in ethics) and immoral (lacking in >morals) when any business (not just >this one) takes >advantage of a demographic(regardless >of whether that demographic agrees or >does not agree to take part) for >their >own gain (it may be good business, >that doesnt make it 'right').
Ok, so you just said it is wrong for ANY business to take advantage of ANY Demographic. Lets see, by your thinking ALL businesses should stop airing television ads on tv. Since all ads are created using demograhics that marketing depts put together over years of product use. But according to your logic, lets not stop with fast food. Now NO company is allowed to advertise ANYTHING ANYWHERE. Muhahaha. Liberals have now won, the world is safe from possible and maybe misleading advertising. Now every single business can go out of business as well. Now all of these people can loose their jobs and hit the unemployment line.
This may seem like a 'far out' scenario, but it is very comparable to the GGW crew since they are not doing anything illegal or tricking anyone into doing anything. Everything is legal.
>You see, it comes down to the fact >that I hold humanity to a much higher >standard than you.
another liberal statement is to assume what I hold any standards to when you don't even know me. I never commented on this in any of my previous posts.
>I personally abhor >that we prey on each other and the >vulnerable, or weak, or foolish like >a pack of hyenas.
I feel the same, but only things that truely ARE bring harm to individuals. Illegal imigrants that are used to work at .10 cents an hour is wrong. Children that are forced to work in sweat shops is wrong. What crime against humanity has GGW crew really commited ????? This all comes back to my first posting on personal responsibility. Again, you never answered my question, Do you sign documents that you are not completely unsure of ?
>Just because some practice is common >doesnt mean its acceptable of us and >we shouldnt strive for better.
WE should strive ?? Strive for better. Ok, in my opinion, I think the GGW guys should make a better video this time around so they can make more money and make more guys and girls happy.
Bottom line this: These guys are not breaking any laws, the guys and girls are happy doing it. They sign a legal waiver and are paid. The only person who would have a problem with this is a bleeding heart liberal or someone who is totally against Capitalism.
